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Offline sugark

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Recruiting
« on: April 28, 2014, 07:19:18 AM »
Instead of singing the praises of Jackson, Hartley and co it's time to get fair dinkum.  Outside of our first round picks, who has FJ secured for us that has had an impact?

There are reasons why the likes of S.Morris, S.Lloyd, N.Gordon, R.Petterd, M.Thomas were either overlooked for a number of years or delisted by other clubs, because they simply weren't up to it! What makes us think they are? I'm sick if watching S.Morris try so hard but overrun a ball or just fail to get to the contest or fail to be able to kill a ball only for it to result in a goal to the opposition.

FJ has failed dismally to actually land us what we need to be a good side, stop finding other sides rejects or overlooked players by all other clubs thinking we are super special in some way and find us some quick, determined, skilled, gut running players that want to run both ways not front runners who don't know how to defend.

Ken Hinkley turns PAFC around in no time whilst we labour in our own self pity recruiting plenty of the same type of slow front running players, we haven't landed a decent second round or beyond player in years so why do these people keep their jobs.

Dimma stop persisting with these no good for nothing rejects, why would we watch McDonough have a great preseason with some really good performances in the NAB series only to then be passed up for the likes of Thomas, Lloyd, Gordon, Petterd....absolutely bewildering.

Dimma, Dusty is a midfielder so stop stuffing around with him. I blame you and you only for trying to fart arse around with playing him off half back at the start of the season. Play him in the guts.

Why stuff around so much with what worked last year? Why not just persevere with the same style and seek natural improvement from our players? Heck it works for the Hawks.  It's ok to tinker slightly but no need to reinvent the wheel.

Anyway I think I've made my point.

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2014, 07:34:38 AM »
Did hinkley interview for Dimma's job?

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2014, 07:51:30 AM »
100% agree with Sugark

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 09:10:23 AM »
Did hinkley interview for Dimma's job?
Yes.  It was down to either Hinkley or Hardwick at the very end. I really think the club wanted Hardwick from the outset.

I don't think that was the problem.  Dimma came in with the right attitude.  To rebuild from the ground up.  However, like we have seen in the past, the pressure to succeed quickly takes over and short cuts that were said not to happen start occurring.  The excuse that expansion clubs took the talent is valid but the club could have just stated that the rebuild would take an extra 2 years to complete because of that and I know most real lovers of the RFC would have accepted that.
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014, 09:24:41 AM »
Agree in full.

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2014, 11:37:03 AM »
Griff
Astbury
Elton (looked promising in pre-season)
Arnot
Darrou
McBean
McDonough

I've only counted the years where we had more than 1 recruiter because it's not surprising we recruited duds with one bloke to cover a whole country.

2010 was a stuffing disaster. Not because taking a consensus pick didn't turn out Melbourne style but because we went left-field and failed.

Dimma has no faith in playing young kids and they just rot away in the 2's. Astbury/Griff if we were a fair dinkum club should have been shipped off last year. Dimma is forced to use them through injury and bang we have 2 best 22 players.

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014, 11:56:37 AM »
Griff
Astbury
Elton (looked promising in pre-season)
Arnot
Darrou
McBean
McDonough

I've only counted the years where we had more than 1 recruiter because it's not surprising we recruited duds with one bloke to cover a whole country.

2010 was a stuffing disaster. Not because taking a consensus pick didn't turn out Melbourne style but because we went left-field and failed.

Dimma has no faith in playing young kids and they just rot away in the 2's. Astbury/Griff if we were a fair dinkum club should have been shipped off last year. Dimma is forced to use them through injury and bang we have 2 best 22 players.



 :clapping Spot on as per usual tigs. Thats why its so important to give young blokes an opportunity to at least show us what theyve got. They wont all make it, but who knows some may surprise like the 2 you mentioned and from nowhere become best 22. We need to get games into guys like Gordon, Lloyd, Arnott, Dea, Helbig, Elton etc

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2014, 01:04:17 PM »
Posted this last night and is stand by it

First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

Yep Francis Jackson needs to held accountable but Hartley is the one IMHO who needs to carry the bulk of the blame. He is the one who recommends the types our recruiters need to find.

We lose a bloke with exceptional speed and is the perfect sub and what does Blair recommend we look for mature bodied defensive forwards...  :whistle

He gets off way too lightly IMV
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2014, 01:17:46 PM »
Griff
Astbury
Elton (looked promising in pre-season)
Arnot
Darrou
McBean
McDonough

I've only counted the years where we had more than 1 recruiter because it's not surprising we recruited duds with one bloke to cover a whole country.

2010 was a stuffing disaster. Not because taking a consensus pick didn't turn out Melbourne style but because we went left-field and failed.

Dimma has no faith in playing young kids and they just rot away in the 2's. Astbury/Griff if we were a fair dinkum club should have been shipped off last year. Dimma is forced to use them through injury and bang we have 2 best 22 players.



 :clapping Spot on as per usual tigs. Thats why its so important to give young blokes an opportunity to at least show us what theyve got. They wont all make it, but who knows some may surprise like the 2 you mentioned and from nowhere become best 22. We need to get games into guys like Gordon, Lloyd, Arnott, Dea, Helbig, Elton etc
Anyone listen to Dimma's presser? Almost in pain giving Astbury praise. stuffing loser.

Plus some of those blokes you list should have already been playing and we make a call on them already. How are Helbig and Dea still on the list and not playing? They either should have got games fed to them and they come good or they are duds and should have been cut.

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2014, 01:19:46 PM »
Posted this last night and is stand by it

First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

Yep Francis Jackson needs to held accountable but Hartley is the one IMHO who needs to carry the bulk of the blame. He is the one who recommends the types our recruiters need to find.

We lose a bloke with exceptional speed and is the perfect sub and what does Blair recommend we look for mature bodied defensive forwards...  :whistle

He gets off way too lightly IMV
Hartley has too much power at the club. Wayyyyy tooo much.  ;)

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2014, 01:25:30 PM »
Anyone who had anything to do with bringing PetTard to Richmond needs to be sacked. I bet Rioli was glad PetTard played yesterday coz he gave him two of his four goals. And I think they were the only two touches PetTard had
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2014, 01:28:25 PM »
Posted this last night and is stand by it

First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

Yep Francis Jackson needs to held accountable but Hartley is the one IMHO who needs to carry the bulk of the blame. He is the one who recommends the types our recruiters need to find.

We lose a bloke with exceptional speed and is the perfect sub and what does Blair recommend we look for mature bodied defensive forwards...  :whistle

He gets off way too lightly IMV
Hartley has too much power at the club. Wayyyyy tooo much.  ;)

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2014, 01:33:20 PM »
Posted this last night and is stand by it

First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

Yep Francis Jackson needs to held accountable but Hartley is the one IMHO who needs to carry the bulk of the blame. He is the one who recommends the types our recruiters need to find.

We lose a bloke with exceptional speed and is the perfect sub and what does Blair recommend we look for mature bodied defensive forwards...  :whistle

He gets off way too lightly IMV
Hartley has too much power at the club. Wayyyyy tooo much.  ;)

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I know exactly how accurate I am with that comment. That's the concerning thing.  :whistle

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2014, 01:42:45 PM »
I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2014, 01:54:01 PM »
I bet you were all on your knees for Hartley last year. Maybe not WP but the rest of you. He was damn near about to be knighted by most Tiger fans.

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Have been blaming our philosophy for years now (Hampton, Petterd, Thomas) but since the elim final it was clear we are stuffed

Grigg well I though he complemented our list and compared to who we coughed up would say we are i front marginally

Adding to that I have said for 5 years FJ should have been shown the door with his mate Miller and Wallett
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