Tigers awful to watch: Patrick Smith (SEN)

[Hellenic Tiger]

Then we wonder why there's a cycle of Skata at punt road.

What is causing the skata? Where is it located?
Why can't they get rid of the stench?
Got any actual solutions or do we just go plop, plop, plop and sling it at them?

Players who offer nothing like Titch Edwards getting contract extensions is one then having someone come on here and say Dusty should be traded because he doesn't run defensively is enough but Titch getting an extension is fantastic is another.
Can't think of anything else right now.

The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™

[Penelope]

our list is rubbish

I keep reading this and reading how poor a coach Hardwick is.

Quite simply, you dont get to within one error of a top 4 finish, as we id last year, with both a rubbish list and a poor coach, so it cant be both.

There hasn't been any great personnel loss from last year.....

[Chuck17]

our list is rubbish

I keep reading this and reading how poor a coach Hardwick is.

Quite simply, you dont get to within one error of a top 4 finish, as we id last year, with both a rubbish list and a poor coach, so it cant be both.

There hasn't been any great personnel loss from last year.....

Yep it was all blowing smoke up the behind hole last year (apart from the eternal optimist Clawski)

[tony_montana]

our list is rubbish

I keep reading this and reading how poor a coach Hardwick is.

Quite simply, you dont get to within one error of a top 4 finish, as we id last year, with both a rubbish list and a poor coach, so it cant be both.

There hasn't been any great personnel loss from last year.....

Agreed, One could argue that everything fell into place last season and it was one out of the box, but poor lists don't finish a smidgen out of the top 4, a poor list may scrape you into the finals on percentage. Don't think we're a top 6 list but don't think we're a bottom 6 list either - I honestly feel we are in that 7-12 bracket which is why Im so disappointed with how this season has panned out.

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R u guys mental?

It's hardwicks mess.

He dropped the spud halfway and couldn't pick it up cos he only has one hand 

As long as he's at punt road we will stay where we r.

[Francois Jackson]

you guys have very short memories

2002, 4th in 2001

Rubbish list and poor coach

Hardwick is Spud and our list is turning into that of 2002 with a plethora of rejects from other clubs

[tony_montana]

A new coach a cleanout of about 10 players past their use by date and I'd be confident we'd be pushing for finals immediately next season. List is 10x better than 2001

[Penelope]

How exactly does the combination of rubbish list and poor coach get to top 4?

The two most important factors for success are off the mark, yet you still win enough games to finish top 4?

How?

[Diocletian]

The 2001 list finished top 4 & made a prelim. Was that a great list with a good coach?

I maintain that you don't have be that great a side to just make the 8.We're good enough to make the 8 and have been more years than not.  We fail most years because we're mentally week and it's become an albatross around our pysche. Most other clubs put in a finals appearance at least every few years as a matter of course. We take a decade.

We needed to improve because other sides improve. We didn't improve. Caro was right when she said we prefer being the hunter and can't handle being the hunted. We lost a mediocre player in White, but the only one we had with line breaking pace and didn't replace that in any serious way. We added a ruckman who wins hit outs but is otherwise as useless as t@s on a bull. Chaplin was a key ingredient in last years success -this year he's been an absolute poo truck. A lot of things fell into place last year. We over achieved and overrated ourselves.We haven't improved or added value to the list and Hardwick hasn't improved as a coach. Yeah we've had injuries - but that's something you should budget for in the off season and why you need to improve the list and the depth. We seemed to assume we were going to have another good run with injuries. All we really did was pay massive overs for a spud to cover Maric and rookie another spud from Port to balance out the loss of Tuck but who is really just another Sam Lonergan.

[Penelope]

you do know that is an in between of rubbish and great?

[lamington]

Yeah we've had injuries - but that's something you should budget for in the off season and why you need to improve the list and the depth. We seeed to assume we were going to have another good run with injuries. All we really did was pay massive overs for a spud to cover Maric and rookie another spud from Port to balance out the loss of Tuck but who is really just another Sam Lonergan.

Exactly this. You have to brace yourself for the worst. You can't expect your best players to be firing every single round. The coaching staff assumed Deledio, Martin, and Cotchin will be tearing it up in AA standard week in week out to cover the lack of improvement in Ellis, Conca whom hasn't had a full preseason to date, and a Grigg/Houli whom have most likely peaked.

Furthermore if there is something I am furious about with the club is that we don't have a NAB rising star nominee this year. I wouldn't care if they won it or not but the fact that we have no representation this year tells me we aren't putting enough work into developing the kids to cover for ageing players/potential injuries.

[Diocletian]

you do know that is an in between of rubbish and great?

Um yeah that's pretty much what I just said.

[Penelope]

not really.

i questioned how you could get top 4 when the two most important requirements in list and coach are both crap and you replied by asking if I thought

"Was that a great list with a good coach"

How did it get from one extreme to the other?

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Title edit.

[unplugged]

The list has some deficiencies but overall isn't that bad.  Most club lists have deficiencies. It can be fixed pretty quickly with some astute recruiting.  Port gained three ready made senior players in Homsch, Polec, White last year.  GWS and Gold Coast raiding can improve the list pretty quickly.  If we wanted to aggressively rebuild from the ground up, we could trade Cotchin and Deledio.  We have plenty of options.  What we need though is a fresh recruiting department.  We can't afford to waste more first round draft picks on the Concas and Ellis's of this world.

The problem with our performances this year all reside with the coach.  Ports list would struggle under Hardwick just as they did under Primus.  Hardwick fails in every aspect as a coach.  I can't think of one positive when I think of him.

Get a good coach with an attacking game plan and some quality recruiters and we could be pushing top 4 again next year.  While defense is important, the enthusiasm that is generated when you kick goals has a much stronger impact on a teams psychology and that buzz pushes players to greater efforts.  Robotically chipping sideways is devastating when it doesn't work.  Having a game plan that you don't enjoy and doesn't work saps the spirit and morale of the playing group. Cotchin isn't the worst midfielder in the competition but Hardwick has him playing like he is whilst telling him he is a champion.  Delusions are the only thing holding this list together at the moment because all confidence is gone.

Wait another 2 years and the next coach will have a Wallace like list full of underachievers who are mentally shot.