Author Topic: When we make the finals who should we play ? (OER OFFICIAL FINALS THREAD)  (Read 8297 times)

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Finish 9th then replace Essendon who get barred from finals again - that has a certain poetic charm to it

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It's good for football when Richmond is in the finals race

Six weeks ago, the Tigers' season looked done and dusted after their fourth straight loss. Now, they've won their last five and are knocking on the door of the eight, which has set up a blockbuster clash with Essendon next Friday night. For the finals-starved Richmond fans, the fact they remain a mathematical chance is a significant feat with four rounds remaining and will no doubt boost the interest in Friday night's game. The Tiger Army is one of the more passionate ones – demonstrated when recently retired forward Jake King chose to sit in the cheer squad on Saturday – and having them involved in the run to September, regardless of how unlikely an actual finals berth is, adds to the game's theatre. - Jennifer Phelan.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-03/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-19

12. Richmond
32 points (eight wins, 10 losses) 103.1 per cent

Five straight wins have given the Tigers' season an unexpected air of respectability. The Tigers can, mathematically, make the finals by winning only three of their remaining games. In fact, they could drop one more match and still finish as high as sixth. In a world of realistic results, to give themselves any chance the Tigers must finish August unbeaten. Upcoming meetings with Essendon and Adelaide make that scenario unlikely. A round 23 road trip to face the Swans makes it almost impossible.

The run home:
Rd 20: Essendon at the MCG
Rd 21: Adelaide at Adelaide Oval
Rd 22: St Kilda at the MCG
Rd 23: Sydney Swans at ANZ Stadium

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-03/the-run-home-round-19

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A mathematical chance? Why Richmond will disappoint again in 2014 (theRoar)
« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2014, 02:33:31 PM »
A mathematical chance? Why Richmond will disappoint again in 2014

By Michael Cowley,
TheRoar.com.au
4 Aug 2014


As a footy fan, this is one of the better times of the year. A month out from the finals, there is anticipation for those with their team secure in the eight and there is anxiety for others as their boys teeter on the edge.

For the rest, it’s about looking for positives in that final month which you can carry over the long months of spring and summer.

But August always brings with it something else – the arrival of the amateur mathematician.

Every footy fan whose team is sitting precariously in 9th, or 10th, or 11th, 12th – or even as far down as 16th depending on how congested the ladder is – will cling grimly to hope their team can reach the finals, for as long as it is: “mathematically possible.”

Regardless of how unlikely it may be at times, where this is life there is hope – and mathematicians.

On the first Saturday of the penultimate month, there they were: “Richmond has remained a mathematical chance of playing finals”.

It got me thinking about the Tigers. Clearly and rightly labelled as the disappointment of the 2014 season just a month and a half ago, could they have actually turned things completely around?

Could they not only mathematically make the finals, but realistically make it? Could they be ready to fulfil some of that 2013 potential and actually make some noise in September?

Well they could, but personally I don’t think they will and 2014 will continue to go down as a season of discontent and disappointment for the club and their supporters.

It was only back in late June after Round 14 that the Tigers had hit their lowest point in the season. A fourth consecutive loss saw them sitting in 16th place on the ladder with a 3-10 record, and ahead of only Brisbane and St Kilda.

That’s correct, even Melbourne and GWS were looking down on them.

Ironically, it came after one of their better performances, and a game which, although disappointing at the time, could have been a turning point. It was the night they played the Swans and led by 26 points midway through the second term, only to be eventually run down by the team now most favour to win the flag.

Since that wet night, things have improved markedly for Richmond and they have not lost a game.

Now we must clarify the “not lost a game” by mentioning the opponents in those subsequent five wins.

Firstly, a win over the then last placed St Kilda, followed by a win over the then 17th placed Lions in Melbourne, then came a win against a Port outfit on a losing slide, followed by a good win in awful conditions against the Eagles in Perth.

Then, against 16th placed GWS on Saturday, they won their fifth in succession but having led by six goals at the main break, they failed to “go on with it”, actually being outscored in the second half.

Richmond back? I don’t think they look like a shadow of the 2013 side. I wouldn’t be getting too excited about a really unflattering five-game winning streak.

The big one is next Friday against Essendon. While the Bombers were OK against Sydney, they are not exactly going to be sending tremors down the spines of Tigers’ players. Still they did give the Tiges a touch up earlier in the season.

Just for the sake it though, let’s give them this one and move them to nine wins.

Following that they have Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval. Certainly not a fortress yet judging by the way they were belted by West Coast, and taking a line through that form, then the Tigers would have to be an even money chance at least.

And then they have St Kilda at home … you can write that one in ink (although Ross Lyon probably said that a couple of weeks ago), and then with 11 wins in the bank, the final round.

Sydney at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers have lost their last seven in Sydney dating back to 2004, and will meet a Swans’ team possibly looking to secure top spot, and a home final, and be in peak form heading into September. Good luck with that Richmond.

But, again, let’s just say, for the sake of it that they beat the Swans and finish with 12 wins and 10 losses. Will that be enough?

I don’t think it will. It will more than likely lead to another ninth-placed finish and will end a season that promised so much but in the end delivered what Richmond teams have delivered so often in the past, disappointment.

Last year I was along for the ride too. I enjoyed the excitement surrounding the Tigers making the finals again, and how it was a feel good story for footy.

But one swallow does not a winter make. And after a summer of anticipation, this is what Richmond fans will be left with. Another season of discontent, and what might have been.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/08/04/a-mathematical-change-why-richmond-will-disappoint-again-in-2014/

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How Richmond can still make the finals (Age)
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2014, 12:40:04 AM »
How Richmond can still make the finals

  Daniel Cherny
     The Age
    August 4, 2014 - 5:47PM



Can the Tigers replicate the efforts of Steven Bradbury?



The equation was relatively straightforward for Richmond heading into its round-15 game against St Kilda. All the Tigers needed to do was win their next 13 games and hope a couple of other results were accommodating, and a long-awaited premiership would be theirs.

Richmond had entered that clash sitting at 3-10, possessing the same record as the Saints. It meant the Tigers (16th on the ladder) were only percentage (admittedly a hefty 33 per cent) clear of bottom spot.

Captain Trent Cotchin starred that afternoon at Etihad Stadium, with five goals and 31 disposals, catapulting the Tigers to a 44-point win. Three days later, a new financial year began, and since then it's been all boom (at least in the win-loss assessment) for the mob from Punt Road.

Even if the victories over the Saints, the Brisbane Lions, and last Saturday's painstaking struggle against Greater Western Sydney were not cause for jubilation, when combined with gutsy wins against Port Adelaide and West Coast, Richmond has kept that exceptionally remote finals push alive heading into the final month of the regular season.



Here is the situation, inclusive of all teams Richmond could mathematically displace, and their respective runs home:

5th Port Adelaide, 48 pts, 130.2 per cent

Sydney (AO), Gold Coast (MS), Carlton, (AO), Fremantle (PS)

6th North Melbourne, 40pts, 109.3 per cent

GWS (SO), Western Bulldogs (ES), Adelaide (BA), Melbourne (ES)

7th Essendon, 40pts, 107.7 per cent

Richmond (MCG), West Coast (ES), Gold Coast (ES), Carlton (MCG)

8th Collingwood, 40pts, 105.1 per cent

West Coast (PS), Brisbane Lions (MCG), GWS (Spotless), Hawthorn (MCG)

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9th Gold Coast, 40pts, 99.4 per cent

Carlton (ES), Port Adelaide (MS), Essendon, (ES), West Coast (MS)

10th Adelaide, 36pts, 106.3 per cent

Brisbane Lions (G), Richmond (AO), North Melbourne (ES), St Kilda (AO)

11th West Coast, 32pts, 108.2 per cent

Collingwood (PS), Essendon (ES), Melbourne (PS), Gold Coast (MS)

12th Richmond, 32pts, 103.1 per cent

Essendon (MCG), Adelaide (AO), St Kilda (MCG), Sydney (ANZ)




So, just how can the Tigers shuffle their way through the traffic? Well, it will be next to impossible if they don't win all of their remaining matches. That will be a major stretch, but there is always hope that Sydney has locked in a home final in week one by the time the Tigers travel north in round 23.

Four wins would leave Richmond with 48 points, and potentially an improved percentage. It would need to overtake at least one of the four sides in the eight, and also hope that none of the teams placed 9th to 11th overhaul it.

Even considering Port Adelaide's drop in form, it is still hard to envisage the Power not winning at least one game in the run home, or losing enough percentage that the Tigers could usurp the early pacesetter.

Likewise, if North Melbourne can even slightly overcome its personality disorder and account for a couple of the competition's weaklings, it too should be safe.

The most vulnerable sides in the eight would seem to be Collingwood and Essendon (and how sweet it would be for the Tiger faithful should their team knock one of those two out at the 11th hour).

Working in Richmond's favour is that two of its remaining matches are against opponents in the hunt for the eight - Essendon and Adelaide. Likewise, there is a fair collection of games played between the other finals aspirants. Of course, it works both ways, though, because when West Coast and Collingwood (as an example) meet on Sunday at Patersons Stadium, the four points have to go somewhere.

Essendon's fixture is fascinating in the sense that none of its four games would appear to be absolute gimmes given Carlton and West Coast's solid form, although conversely Essendon could conceivably win all four games without a major upset. But its recent football has been strong enough to lead it to favouritism against the final three sides.

The best bet is probably Collingwood. Not withstanding two likely triumphs against the Giants and Lions, the Tigers can rest their hopes on the prospect of a thrashing at the hands of Hawthorn (hopefully still with something to play for), and defeat this week in Perth against West Coast.

So, the easiest (and it's not easy) way for Richmond to make the finals is:

* Richmond wins all four of its games and ends on 48 points, but gains a major percentage boost by thumping St Kilda
   
* Collingwood wins two of its final four, finishes on 48 points, but cops a last-round shellacking against Hawthorn, and only narrowly beats the Lions and Giants, meaning the Magpies fall below Richmond on percentage.
   
* Gold Coast loses a couple of its games, and regardless of whether it finishes on 48 points, is shaded by the Tigers on percentage.
   
* Adelaide loses to Richmond and probably North, so it cannot match the yellow and black surge.
   
* West Coast downs Collingwood, Gold Coast and Melbourne, but loses to Essendon (a defeat the Eagles rue after Richmond barnstorms its way through August

From there Richmond, on the back of an irrepressible bolt of momentum, careers its way through September, defeating Port Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney (again) and Hawthorn. There's your 13 in a row.

Forget Kiwi and Steven Bradbury, this will be the greatest from the clouds job of all time.

Oh, we're from...

Odds to make the top eight (Sportsbet):

North Melbourne $1.14
Essendon $1.33
Collingwood $1.55
Adelaide $2
Gold Coast $5
West Coast $9
Richmond $16 (and $501 for the flag if you are now getting excited).

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-richmond-can-still-make-the-finals-20140804-1007be.html#ixzz39QyEh45p

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Typical, I thought the Bradbury analogy was perfect for Carlscum last year, if we win 9 straight and make it, I would call that earnt

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