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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #420 on: September 21, 2014, 03:02:38 PM »
Brown came in under Frawley.



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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #421 on: September 21, 2014, 03:24:15 PM »
Get some hawthorn fringe players

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #422 on: September 21, 2014, 03:52:39 PM »
Brown came in under Frawley.

Your right

Makes the Wallace tenure look even worse.
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #423 on: September 21, 2014, 03:56:39 PM »
i agree brown was  a quality player and the exact type we should be targeting with f/a. but imo for a club with a good recruiting dept which we dont have and havent had for so loooonnngggg, brown was the wrong man at the wrong time.

the rot started not in 04 but in spuds time at the end of 01.
we had just finished 4th on the ladder  thanks to essendon laying down in the last home and away game. come the following week in the qualifying finals they spanked us by 70 points easing up.
the following week we fell in against carlton in a semi final and had to front up to brisbane. well brisbane did to us what essendon did, showed us up for the pretenders we were. the game was over at half time and they went thru the motions for the remainder of the game.

it was patently clear to anyone who opened their eyes that the list just was not good enough and there was some pain coming our way. some hard decisions had to be made and we failed to make em.
instead we went the top up route thinking we were close. this all sounds familiar doesnt it. in one of the strongest drafts ever 2001,  we traded out of it, we traded daffy and pick 17 for the 28 yr old stafford, we traded our 3rd rounder for paul hudson. not one good player so few kids taken from that draft it was criminal.

so come 02 and the inevitable happens we finish 14th but what do we do??? we top up again. the number of duds on our list was staggering full on rebuild was the only way to go a blind man could see it yet we topped up.
we traded torney, 2, 18, 32 for  johnson 12, 28, 41. to exacerbate this we  then traded 28 for blumfield, and took mature players fleming, and nichols with nd picks. for 2 yrs solid we hardly participated in the nd.
so 03 comes along and of course a few mature players was never going to resurrect our club and the bleeding obvious happens again we finish 13th. so what do we do???. you guessed it we top up again with mature players. again trading away good picks. at least in brown who we paid 6 and 20 for we got a talented player. but we continue to target mature players with nd picks taking morrison, tuck  and fletcher.

well 04 came and we get a spoon the club finally realise we have to invest in youth  and rebuild but unfortunately for us we had fools in charge wallace wanted to give the mature players a chance at finals he clearly over estimated where the list was at. and wallace first two seasons   coincided with two of the weakest drafts ever imo and boy how we stuffed those drafts up.

so yeah we need quality players as many as we can get but we need to balance out what we dowe need to target quality mature players and at the same time find ways to stay heavily involved in the early stages of drafts. imo f/a makes it much easy for us do this now.


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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #424 on: September 21, 2014, 05:13:43 PM »
Why do we need to be seen chasing everyone.
Have of these so called trades won't happen.
Settle petals. :thumbsup

Um maybe you should look at our list again or at the very least go and watch out last game against Port.. :whistle

Don't be so condescending.
My point is you don't go chasing every player, quality over quantity.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #425 on: September 21, 2014, 05:23:26 PM »
Get Lin JONG

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #426 on: September 21, 2014, 05:24:46 PM »
i agree brown was  a quality player and the exact type we should be targeting with f/a. but imo for a club with a good recruiting dept which we dont have and havent had for so loooonnngggg, brown was the wrong man at the wrong time.

the rot started not in 04 but in spuds time at the end of 01.
we had just finished 4th on the ladder  thanks to essendon laying down in the last home and away game. come the following week in the qualifying finals they spanked us by 70 points easing up.
the following week we fell in against carlton in a semi final and had to front up to brisbane. well brisbane did to us what essendon did, showed us up for the pretenders we were. the game was over at half time and they went thru the motions for the remainder of the game.

it was patently clear to anyone who opened their eyes that the list just was not good enough and there was some pain coming our way. some hard decisions had to be made and we failed to make em.
instead we went the top up route thinking we were close. this all sounds familiar doesnt it. in one of the strongest drafts ever 2001,  we traded out of it, we traded daffy and pick 17 for the 28 yr old stafford, we traded our 3rd rounder for paul hudson. not one good player so few kids taken from that draft it was criminal.

so come 02 and the inevitable happens we finish 14th but what do we do??? we top up again. the number of duds on our list was staggering full on rebuild was the only way to go a blind man could see it yet we topped up.
we traded torney, 2, 18, 32 for  johnson 12, 28, 41. to exacerbate this we  then traded 28 for blumfield, and took mature players fleming, and nichols with nd picks. for 2 yrs solid we hardly participated in the nd.
so 03 comes along and of course a few mature players was never going to resurrect our club and the bleeding obvious happens again we finish 13th. so what do we do???. you guessed it we top up again with mature players. again trading away good picks. at least in brown who we paid 6 and 20 for we got a talented player. but we continue to target mature players with nd picks taking morrison, tuck  and fletcher.

well 04 came and we get a spoon the club finally realise we have to invest in youth  and rebuild but unfortunately for us we had fools in charge wallace wanted to give the mature players a chance at finals he clearly over estimated where the list was at. and wallace first two seasons   coincided with two of the weakest drafts ever imo and boy how we stuffed those drafts up.

so yeah we need quality players as many as we can get but we need to balance out what we dowe need to target quality mature players and at the same time find ways to stay heavily involved in the early stages of drafts. imo f/a makes it much easy for us do this now.
The reason I want us to go as hard as we can at FA is you know what you are going to get. You pay overs as WP keeps saying but on the positive side you get them for free in terms of trades or draft picks. Plus I just don't trust FJ to be able to recruit good young talent.
We have the nucleus of a good side but we also fall away real quick IMO.
We need Frawley. He hasn't made up his mind yet of where he is going. Through our hat in the ring please!!
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #427 on: September 21, 2014, 05:32:06 PM »
Frawley is a massive upgrade on Chaplin

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #428 on: September 21, 2014, 06:57:08 PM »
No he s not, had a ratshit year, contributed nothing. To Melb at any point  In fact hasn't played well since 2010  :shh
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #429 on: September 21, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »
No he s not, had a ratpoo year, contributed nothing. To Melb at any point  In fact hasn't played well since 2010  :shh

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #430 on: September 21, 2014, 07:31:20 PM »
Doesn't want to be there

Kicked some goals didnt he?

I think you will find he's toweled up Riewoldt a few times since '10

Chaplin is rubbish and frawley would  provide far greater company for rance Astbury grimes

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #431 on: September 21, 2014, 09:28:15 PM »
Frawley's best is behind him. Massively overrated. FA or not, would rather go for Jakcsch or try and shake Carlisle from Essendon's rotting tree.
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #432 on: September 21, 2014, 09:40:15 PM »
yep

said it elsewhere id love carlisle. They wont do it but hope they bawse it up and offer him 700 large plus a year.

stuff we need someone like him who can work both ways.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #433 on: September 21, 2014, 10:00:26 PM »
yep

said it elsewhere id love carlisle. They wont do it but hope they bawse it up and offer him 700 large plus a year.

stuff we need someone like him who can work both ways.
Surely you're not suggesting we recruit a swing man?  :o outrageous.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #434 on: September 21, 2014, 10:04:56 PM »
Doesn't want to be there

Kicked some goals didnt he?

I think you will find he's toweled up Riewoldt a few times since '10

Chaplin is rubbish and frawley would  provide far greater company for rance Astbury grimes
What a lot of rot , Chaplin was a key part of our defense in back half of year , 25 possies in last R v syd ,,,,,that's a months work for frawley. With astbury to come into the side Chaplin can play a more attacking role ...frawley not required at all
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