Trade week rumours and innuendo

[Smokey]

the system is an absolute abortion.  what it does is perpetuate a system that will keep the middle teams under constant downward pressure and the bottom teams will constantly be losing their better talent to the top teams, so u have this little closed circuit effect of the middle and bottom teams cycling around and the top lot parasiting off of them maintaining their position.

Agree Owl.   

[camboon]

The team that receives the player should pay the compensation at a slightly reduced market rate.

This could be set by the AFL but if it keeps going this way the potential premiership  teams can get players  into their sides by asking their existing players to take less.

Who would want to leave a potential premiership side?

If they don't do something they might as well go back to open slather. ( Bring back Graeme Richmond)

[Rampstar]

the system is an absolute abortion.  what it does is perpetuate a system that will keep the middle teams under constant downward pressure and the bottom teams will constantly be losing their better talent to the top teams, so u have this little closed circuit effect of the middle and bottom teams cycling around and the top lot parasiting off of them maintaining their position.

Agree Owl.   

I disagree. Its not an abortion at all. Its not Hawthorns fault or Geelongs or Sydneys that they have there clubs at the top for long periods. Weve had 30 years to get our house in order and failed miserably. No one is stopping the likes of Richmond FC targeting good players, no one, our club only has itself to blame, because instead of being in the market for the best players we are only ever the market for pooheap players who no one wants. You cant blame the system for that.

[Smokey]

No-one is saying we aren't to blame for our own failings Ramps, but the current free agency system is only helping the top sides stay at the top and the bottom sides stay at the bottom.  And that is detrimental to the long term health of the code, whichever way you look at it.

[Gigantor]

Some clubs (us included for a long time) it wouldn't matter if you  conscripted the elite guns of the league to them,the culture is/was so crap it probably wouldn't make a scrap of difference

[Judge Roughneck]

the system is an absolute abortion.  what it does is perpetuate a system that will keep the middle teams under constant downward pressure and the bottom teams will constantly be losing their better talent to the top teams, so u have this little closed circuit effect of the middle and bottom teams cycling around and the top lot parasiting off of them maintaining their position.

Agree Owl.   

Apart from

* during a prolonged period of Richmond being around the bottom - the afl took out the best 100 kids in the country from the draft pool over a six or whatever year period to create two franchises

* some clubs have ten % more money which is a lot in a world of;  salary caps/equalisation/non-captalist ideals

* some clubs have millions on scouting country wide system. We are a shambles

You could write a book about the failings of the system. No doubt the tigers have done a good job of pooing it up too


I disagree. Its not an abortion at all. Its not Hawthorns fault or Geelongs or Sydneys that they have there clubs at the top for long periods. Weve had 30 years to get our house in order and failed miserably. No one is stopping the likes of Richmond FC targeting good players, no one, our club only has itself to blame, because instead of being in the market for the best players we are only ever the market for pooheap players who no one wants. You cant blame the system for that.

[one-eyed]

Collingwood have declined Brisbane's offer of pick four and Daniel Merrett, with the key defender surplus to Collingwood's needs according to the Pies.

Collingwood have told Brisbane given the amount of interest from other clubs for Merrett, that the Lions should engage a third club to become part of the Beams trade otherwise a deal will not be done.

Collingwood have also declined the offer of the likes of Crisp and Bewick as sweetners to pick four.

Source: 3AW

https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews?fref=nf

[Phil Mrakov]

Collingwood have declined Brisbane's offer of pick four and Daniel Merrett, with the key defender surplus to Collingwood's needs according to the Pies.

Collingwood have told Brisbane given the amount of interest from other clubs for Merrett, that the Lions should engage a third club to become part of the Beams trade otherwise a deal will not be done.

Collingwood have also declined the offer of the likes of Crisp and Bewick as sweetners to pick four.

Source: 3AW

https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews?fref=nf

Collingwood are idiots, they just declined way overs

[WilliamPowell]

the system is an absolute abortion.  what it does is perpetuate a system that will keep the middle teams under constant downward pressure and the bottom teams will constantly be losing their better talent to the top teams, so u have this little closed circuit effect of the middle and bottom teams cycling around and the top lot parasiting off of them maintaining their position.

Then it's working an absolute treat isn't it

Just like any other sports around the globe

I disagree. Its not an abortion at all. Its not Hawthorns fault or Geelongs or Sydneys that they have there clubs at the top for long periods. Weve had 30 years to get our house in order and failed miserably. No one is stopping the likes of Richmond FC targeting good players, no one, our club only has itself to blame, because instead of being in the market for the best players we are only ever the market for pooheap players who no one wants. You cant blame the system for that.

No-one is saying we aren't to blame for our own failings Ramps, but the current free agency system is only helping the top sides stay at the top and the bottom sides stay at the bottom.  And that is detrimental to the long term health of the code, whichever way you look at it.

It is flawed Ramps, sports around the world have shown it to be flawed. Smokey is right

MLB is the perfect example small market teams (eg Pittsburgh, Minnesota) draft and develop kids in the their "farm system" and then bring them up to the majors. Develop them some more and then once the player reaches free agency the big market teams make offers that the small market teams cannot match. I've lost count of the number of Pirates players that have been lost because when it comes to free agency they cannot compete. 21 consecutive losing season for the Pirates until the last 2 years when they've made the playoffs which is a credit to them considering their payroll compared to the big sides. However, this year they face losing one of their top 3 players not because they are crap but simple because they cannot afford to pay what others will offer.

Free agency is designed to do 2 things. Firstly it is about ensuring no restraint of trade despite the impact or costs on clubs and secondly and more importantly it's about allowing the strong to remain strong and the weak remain weak

It's a flawed system and what we are seeing is not good for the game

[Dice]

It's a flawed system and what we are seeing is not good for the game

Cutting through the crap , WP's comment above is exactly where it sits. It needs to fixed and quickly.
 Australian Premier League doesn't interest me.

[Chuck17]

It's a flawed system and what we are seeing is not good for the game

Cutting through the crap , WP's comment above is exactly where it sits. It needs to fixed and quickly.
 Australian Premier League doesn't interest me.

Agree

[Andyy]

With Daniel Gorringe, Jonathan Giles, Luke Lowden and possible Jonathon Griffin all looking for a trade we'd be mad not to pick one of them up IMO.

I'd be very keen on Giles, big body and has shown than he can hold his own in the ruck and F50. Wouldn't mind going for Lowden too, but haven't seen much of him, Gorringe and Griffin.

Presuming/hoping that we play all of Maric, Griffiths and Vickery in the 22 next year that leaves us with only Hampson as a backup for the permanent ruck position. Not a good position to be in.

[Yeahright]

I'd be very keen on Giles, big body and has shown than he can hold his own in the ruck and F50. Wouldn't mind going for Lowden too, but haven't seen much of him, Gorringe and Griffin.

Presuming/hoping that we play all of Maric, Griffiths and Vickery in the 22 next year that leaves us with only Hampson as a backup for the permanent ruck position. Not a good position to be in.

I'd do in that order too although I'm not that big on Griffin anymore, was never a huge fan but you are right we'd be silly to not get another ruck over the off season and he's far from the worst we could do, hell he wouldn't even be the worst ruck on our list (Hampson  ).

Don't forget McBean...not sure if that makes it better or worse

[Andyy]

Don't think McBean has been touted as a FWD/Ruck swingman, despite his height.

Maric is good. Griffiths and Vickery can hold their own as part timers. Hampson is a good tap ruckman but provides absolutely SFA otherwise and should only be a VFL/depth player.

I'd trade Vickery and grab Giles + Lowden if both are attainable. Use Griffiths as a permanent CHF. Jack permanent FF. Giles/Lowden as FWD/ruck swingman. Then you have three more F50 spots, probably one for the Cotchin/Deledio/Martin resting spot, one for Gordon as the mid-size, then probably try to get Jeff Garlett or play Lloyd.

[WA Tiger]

Melbourne bid pick two on Isaac Heeney, to which Sydney matched with pick 17.
Western Bulldogs bid pick five on Darcy Moore, to which Collingwood matched with pick 8.
North bid pick 15 on Jack Steele, to which GWS matched with pick 23.
Adelaide bid pick 29 on Billy Stretch, to which Melbourne matched with pick 39.
Richmond bid pick 31 on Liam Dawson, to which Brisbane matched with pick 41.
Fremantle bid pick 32 on Jack Hiscox, to which Sydney matched with pick 36.
North Melbourne bid pick 34 on Harris Andrews, to which Brisbane matched with pick 60.
Fremantle bid pick 51 for Zaine Cordy, to which the Western Bulldogs matched with pick 61.
Geelong bid pick 70 on Abe Davis, to which the Swans matched with pick 73.

The remaining three players who didn't receive a bid - Josh Clayton (Brisbane), Alec Waterman (West Coast) and Jeremy Finlayson (GWS) - will join those clubs with their last selection.

*Please note these are the correct draft selections before free agency compensation picks are added to the draft, such as the Bulldogs' pick 26 for Shaun Higgins. All of the picks will be moved down a position once that trade becomes active, as of now.