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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2014, 07:31:16 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2014, 11:17:16 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

as far as fwds go thers a big yr coming up for all of vickery, griffiths and elton. a bad yr from all three could concievably see all three gone if they werent contracted. thats how brittle our tall so called fwd stocks are.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2014, 12:40:47 AM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

as far as fwds go thers a big yr coming up for all of vickery, griffiths and elton. a bad yr from all three could concievably see all three gone if they werent contracted. thats how brittle our tall so called fwd stocks are.
And a good year from all of those mentioned would mean are tall stocks are scintillating!

Your obviously a glass half empty sort of guy claw!
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2014, 08:09:26 AM »
do whiney old moles give off some sort scent that attracts other whiney old moles?
oh stuff my coffee is in my lungs now lol
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2014, 08:22:21 AM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.

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If Damian Barrett had a brain
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2014, 09:53:19 AM »
do whiney old moles give off some sort scent that attracts other whiney old moles?

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2014, 10:05:00 AM »
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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2014, 11:58:38 AM »
A few more jumper punches, sprinkled by the odd goals here and there plus a few more brain fades

Can't wait

Look for him in round one to finally put Kruezer out of his misery and send Judd into early retirement - all in the one play at the centre bounce.
Can't see it myself. After he takes out Kreuzer, he will turn into a snivelling girl and be unsighted for the rest of the night.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2014, 12:10:36 PM »
A few more jumper punches, sprinkled by the odd goals here and there plus a few more brain fades

Can't wait

Look for him in round one to finally put Kruezer out of his misery and send Judd into early retirement - all in the one play at the centre bounce.
Can't see it myself. After he takes out Kreuzer, he will turn into a snivelling girl and be unsighted for the rest of the night.

Yeah that was the most disappointing thing for me, his reaction in the second half, seriously doubted his ticker after that

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2014, 07:08:35 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.
Yes I've seen him a couple of times and he is definitely a forward. Not even a question in my mind.
If he gets through preseason play him in a pocket and let him just do his stuff. Will surprise even DH just like Miles did when finally he got his chance.
One of the only potential shining lights on our list not getting a game yet.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2014, 08:17:19 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.
Yes I've seen him a couple of times and he is definitely a forward. Not even a question in my mind.
If he gets through preseason play him in a pocket and let him just do his stuff. Will surprise even DH just like Miles did when finally he got his chance.
One of the only potential shining lights on our list not getting a game yet.

Agreed. He's always been a fwd

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If Damian Barrett had a brain
Then its made of sh#t" Dont Argue - 2/8/2018

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2014, 06:48:55 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

as far as fwds go thers a big yr coming up for all of vickery, griffiths and elton. a bad yr from all three could concievably see all three gone if they werent contracted. thats how brittle our tall so called fwd stocks are.
And a good year from all of those mentioned would mean are tall stocks are scintillating!

Your obviously a glass half empty sort of guy claw!
based on exposed form one would have to lean heavily to the side of them not making it. its just a straight down the line honest appraisal.
so in moving fwd how should we plan the list knowing there are big question marks over these 3. do nothing and hope all 3 come good, or take out some insurance just in case.
me i think the latter scenario is a must. if they fail it sets us back another yr and means the need for tall kpfs becomes even greater than it is.
even if they make it there is a need for a tom lamb/tyler kietel  type of fwd on our list and one more kpf.

me i look at our tall stocks differently to most as far as categorising the type they are.

for me  we have the following,  ill call it category  1/ current structure.
 2 kpf, riewoldt, and elton, todd elton is spending all of his time down back so maybe i shouldnt be classifying him a fwd at all. thats just one  possibly two genuine kpf there should be 4 at differing stages of development.
3 fwd/rucks, mcbean, vickery, and griffiths. of the latter two to date neither has shown themselves to be very good fwds or ruckmen, the analogy ive used is jack of two trades master of neither.
they are very ordinary at both to date.


ive done this twice now and will do it one more time. utilising current nd nominations as examples  id like to see our tall fwd stocks look like this structurally. it gives a good idea of type and quality i think we need to chase in this area. category 2/ list structure id like to see

kpfs - riewoldt 195/95. mccartin 194/95, elton 197/100, kietel 194/86

tall/fwds -  lamb192/84, kietel 194/86. kietel could in time play kpf hence i have him in both categories for now.

ruckfwds - griffiths 200/102, mcbean 202/93, vickery 200/98,

we already have 3 ruck/fwds, im all for trading one out,  what we need is quality kpfs and third  tall fwds not these bitsers.

what is the better set up or category clearly category 2. it actually gives us a real chance of finding and actually establishing kpfs.

if we did this and similar in the backhalf plus 3 or  4 ruckmen  it would leave 24 spots to target mainly mids and the needed specialist flankers which is plenty.
it also allows us to structure up properly both in the seniors and in the twos.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2014, 07:41:04 PM »
Claw youd really have to wonder about Elton. Ive never sern him play so im going by these ratings

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/116426/Todd-ELTON

In 2014 his third year he has a lot of bad games and 8 games with the word well or good games in it. And this in the VFL, what will happen to him once he reaches the seniors.   I really wouldnt pin any hopes on him, McBean has shown more promise.  My bet is he is dropped at the end of next year unless he really improves.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2014, 08:19:02 PM »
McBean to play in 2015
Trade Vickery for a midfielder
i still firmly believe mcbean should play in defense.
especially when one hears the complaints about the way he plays. this kid showed his best potential as a junior playing in the backline. when i see him i think he could be a big upgrade on collingwoods lachlan keefe.

Jeezus now your just making things up Claw. Anyone and everyone watching him develop at Aberfeldie cemented him in as either a mobile FF or a 3rd tall HF.
Yes I've seen him a couple of times and he is definitely a forward. Not even a question in my mind.
If he gets through preseason play him in a pocket and let him just do his stuff. Will surprise even DH just like Miles did when finally he got his chance.
One of the only potential shining lights on our list not getting a game yet.
he played some great footy down back in his draft yr.
what do you believe the club have said hes to be a ruckman others say hes a fwd me what ive seen of him play down back id say he can make it as a defender.

lets see atm, lazy no defense to his game, not taking overhead marks i can see no harm at all in playing him in defense.

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Re: Vickery and Tigers should say good-bye: Barrett
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2014, 08:21:34 PM »
Claw youd really have to wonder about Elton. Ive never sern him play so im going by these ratings

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/116426/Todd-ELTON

In 2014 his third year he has a lot of bad games and 8 games with the word well or good games in it. And this in the VFL, what will happen to him once he reaches the seniors.   I really wouldnt pin any hopes on him, McBean has shown more promise.  My bet is he is dropped at the end of next year unless he really improves.
and this is what im saying. when you look at what they are doing there can be little confidence in them making it. we must have more rods in the fire to ensure we have our share of decent tall fwds.
and im not talking fwd/rucks.