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Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« on: January 22, 2015, 03:47:38 PM »
2015 AFL blowtorch: Which player is under the most pressure at your club?
Ben Waterworth
Herald-Sun
January 22, 2015 12:09PM



IN 2015, AFL players on the fringe at their clubs will be fighting for their careers.

After one, two or maybe three mediocre seasons, this could be the year that makes or breaks them.

Other players have been given lifelines and are desperate to make a positive impression in their first years at their new clubs.

And some of the game’s biggest stars will also feel the heat, as speculation over their futures is guaranteed to mount.

So who’s under the pump at your club?

Which players must produce scintillating 2015 seasons in order to release the pressure valve?

RICHMOND

Tyrone Vickery


Vickery’s brain explosion in Perth, decking Dean Cox, not only ended his 2014 season, it also allowed Ben Griffiths to overtake him in the Tigers’ big man pecking order. Vickery’s overall record of 101 goals from 87 games in six years is solid reading, but his discipline issues and inconsistent form, on top of the rise of Griffiths, means his spot in the Richmond side isn’t secure. The 24-year-old stated after the season that he wanted to play every game for the Tigers in 2015 — a goal he will be no doubt held accountable to.

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 04:14:34 PM »
Get him to 100 games, father/son territory, then use him in a trade for Shiel.
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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 10:06:24 PM »
He snots one bloke and he has "discipline issues"  :lol

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 10:58:51 PM »
lol stiff competition from griffiths. the bloke is kidding. grif has not produced anything that should threaten a good and well established kpf. the trouble is there is no competetion. peaheart vickory  or   hardly touch it griffith. both have been as poor as each other.there is no blow torch and has never been a blow torch  for these two there is no one else. that is the problem.
we have never ever structured our tall list up properly and we have never ever had the numbers to actually develop our own properly.

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 11:48:52 PM »
The whole team and their coach are under the pump.

Last years start and finish were completely unacceptable.

There is nowhere to hide this season. Good results are expected.

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2015, 01:29:30 AM »
The whole team and their coach are under the pump.

Last years start and finish were completely unacceptable.

There is nowhere to hide this season. Good results are expected.

Agree except this year they'll have a bad middle of the season as well - which theyll see as an improvement.
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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2015, 07:43:54 AM »
The whole team and their coach are under the pump.

Last years start and finish were completely unacceptable.

There is nowhere to hide this season. Good results are expected.

Agree except this year they'll have a bad middle of the season as well - which theyll see as an improvement.

You guys should just be happy that regardless of the results we will be a better team than last year

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2015, 10:25:36 AM »
lol stiff competition from griffiths. the bloke is kidding. grif has not produced anything that should threaten a good and well established kpf. the trouble is there is no competetion. peaheart vickory  or   hardly touch it griffith. both have been as poor as each other.there is no blow torch and has never been a blow torch  for these two there is no one else. that is the problem.
we have never ever structured our tall list up properly and we have never ever had the numbers to actually develop our own properly.

IMHO.  He is right and your wrong. Griff did keep him out and if you watched the games instead of just going on about "9 touches" you will see how many important contests and possessions he had. I really don't know why you can't or wont see what most others can. He said Griff passed him on the order of big guys and yes he did.
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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2015, 12:56:40 PM »
I think instead of being under the blow torch they should reposition that blowtorch somewhere else on Vickery

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2015, 02:16:29 PM »
I think instead of being under the blow torch they should reposition that blowtorch somewhere else on Vickery

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 07:56:30 PM »
lol stiff competition from griffiths. the bloke is kidding. grif has not produced anything that should threaten a good and well established kpf. the trouble is there is no competetion. peaheart vickory  or   hardly touch it griffith. both have been as poor as each other.there is no blow torch and has never been a blow torch  for these two there is no one else. that is the problem.
we have never ever structured our tall list up properly and we have never ever had the numbers to actually develop our own properly.

IMHO.  He is right and your wrong. Griff did keep him out and if you watched the games instead of just going on about "9 touches" you will see how many important contests and possessions he had. I really don't know why you can't or wont see what most others can. He said Griff passed him on the order of big guys and yes he did.

thats fine we all have differing opinions.mine is both were shizen and there was no other competition given we played both plus jr  when ever possible. when dropped for poor form there was no other tall fwd  picked,  when vickery was supposedly injured and then later suspended there was no other tall fwd come in. we changed our structure because there was no one else.

 
the club has constanly showed it wants to play 3 talls fwd as most clubs do.and rightly so imo.  in fact this was very much the case.
imo there is no competition for either vickerys spot or griffiths they arent in competition for the one position and never have been. ones played ruck/fwd and one has played kpf.

 in effect there is no competition for their spots unless mckenzie miraculously makes the grade from day dot or mcbean puts on 100kg in a hurry. .it was  the case  last yr that jr played f/f one of the two played chf and the other played ruck/fwd or vice versa when ever possible.

no one has offered any sort of competition to these two because there is no one else. both have missed because of poor form injury or suspension. not because one forced the other out.
 its simple if you dont have a blow torch or in this case other players putting pressure on then you cant apply any heat.

IMO if we had just one decent tall fwd in development then both would have had some pressure on em to perform. because neither at any stage performed to a high standard. in fact both were mainly poor. if you think griffiths performances were the reason vickery did not get back in after suspension then i disagree.. ordinary performances dont keep players out of sides unless the player being kept out has been poor as well.we need to play 3 tall fwds unfortunately we dont have three that are good enough or performed to an acceptable standard.

i really cant see how you can accept the sort of out put griffiths has dished up to date.  ffs vickery has copped it in the neck by all and sundry including me. yet hes out performed griffiths who is being praised. at least vickery kicks a few goals and finds a little bit of ball inside 50.

i think you need to ask yourself exactly what it is you expect from key fwds, because atm it seems you aint asking much.

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2015, 09:26:11 AM »
The whole team and their coach are under the pump.

Last years start and finish were completely unacceptable.

There is nowhere to hide this season. Good results are expected.

Agree except this year they'll have a bad middle of the season as well - which theyll see as an improvement.

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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2015, 10:08:48 AM »
lol stiff competition from griffiths. the bloke is kidding. grif has not produced anything that should threaten a good and well established kpf. the trouble is there is no competetion. peaheart vickory  or   hardly touch it griffith. both have been as poor as each other.there is no blow torch and has never been a blow torch  for these two there is no one else. that is the problem.
we have never ever structured our tall list up properly and we have never ever had the numbers to actually develop our own properly.

IMHO.  He is right and your wrong. Griff did keep him out and if you watched the games instead of just going on about "9 touches" you will see how many important contests and possessions he had. I really don't know why you can't or wont see what most others can. He said Griff passed him on the order of big guys and yes he did.

thats fine we all have differing opinions.mine is both were shizen and there was no other competition given we played both plus jr  when ever possible. when dropped for poor form there was no other tall fwd  picked,  when vickery was supposedly injured and then later suspended there was no other tall fwd come in. we changed our structure because there was no one else.

 
the club has constanly showed it wants to play 3 talls fwd as most clubs do.and rightly so imo.  in fact this was very much the case.
imo there is no competition for either vickerys spot or griffiths they arent in competition for the one position and never have been. ones played ruck/fwd and one has played kpf.

 in effect there is no competition for their spots unless mckenzie miraculously makes the grade from day dot or mcbean puts on 100kg in a hurry. .it was  the case  last yr that jr played f/f one of the two played chf and the other played ruck/fwd or vice versa when ever possible.

no one has offered any sort of competition to these two because there is no one else. both have missed because of poor form injury or suspension. not because one forced the other out.
 its simple if you dont have a blow torch or in this case other players putting pressure on then you cant apply any heat.

IMO if we had just one decent tall fwd in development then both would have had some pressure on em to perform. because neither at any stage performed to a high standard. in fact both were mainly poor. if you think griffiths performances were the reason vickery did not get back in after suspension then i disagree.. ordinary performances dont keep players out of sides unless the player being kept out has been poor as well.we need to play 3 tall fwds unfortunately we dont have three that are good enough or performed to an acceptable standard.

i really cant see how you can accept the sort of out put griffiths has dished up to date.  ffs vickery has copped it in the neck by all and sundry including me. yet hes out performed griffiths who is being praised. at least vickery kicks a few goals and finds a little bit of ball inside 50.

i think you need to ask yourself exactly what it is you expect from key fwds, because atm it seems you aint asking much.

What do I expect from a 200cm 22 year old who had played less than 20 games before last year ?  (mostly down back I might add)

Make a contest     Check
Learn his craft and show improvement     Check
Chase and Tackle     Check
Take some grabs    Check
Show us hints of what he is capable off    Check
Make import team plays (one percenters) (watch the replays)   Check

What do you expect ?

Yes he did keep Vickery out because the "Maric Griffiths" ruck partnership and our structure like this was working much better. Yes they wanted to play all three but at the time it was a structure that was winning games and you normally don't stuff with that. Hence Griffiths performance in the last 5 rounds where he actually took more marks than your Elite Jack and made many critical plays (poor as YOU saw them) were keeping Vickery out.

I would like to also address the issue of numbers. You have long claimed we have too many tall fowards/ruckman and say we should trade away Griffiths or Vickery, yet in this post we don't have enough of these types to compete for the role. Well do we or don't we have enough?


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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2015, 10:23:33 AM »
I might also add that I hate off season. We end up debating this season based on the past. I cant wait till the matches start and we can actually see who is putting their hands up. I am willing to put my name to Griffiths and Ashbury standing up this season. Are you willing to put your hand up and say they wont perform ?
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Re: Under the blowtorch in 2015: Tyrone Vickery ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2015, 11:08:37 AM »
I dislike the attitude of some supporters who almost seem to be willing failure of the club due to their hate of some at the club. You have to ask the question whether their support is worth the spite.
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