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'Truck' to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick
Jennifer Phelan 
afl.com.au
February 4, 2015




BEN RUTTEN will help Richmond’s coaching team extract more improvement from the Tigers, coach Damien Hardwick believes.

Rutten, who retired last year after a 229-game career at Adelaide, arrived at Punt Road having already honed his coaching skills in his final seasons as a Crow.

He is another recently retired player that Hardwick hopes can help Richmond move deep into September this year.

The former full-back joins Hawthorn premiership ruckman Max Bailey and former St Kilda and Gold Coast midfielder Andrew McQualter as Richmond coaches to have played the game in recent years.

Hardwick said it was significant for the coaching panel to have some first-hand experience of today's game, with Rutten's recent involvement significantly valuable.

"The further you become removed from your playing duties as a coach, you sort of forget what it's like at times to be a player," Hardwick told AFL.com.au.

"Those guys remind you because they're just recently out of the game.

"It is incredibly difficult, the game these days, as compared to when we played, so you've got to remember that.

"The one thing they bring is probably a player's perspective through coaches' eyes, which we're really excited about. And more importantly they bring great ideas from other clubs."

Rutten isn't just working with the Tigers' defenders in his role as backline coach.

Hardwick said he would assist all the key position players, and translate his own experience of lining up against Jack Riewoldt into helping the full-forward develop his game.

"There's not many players that come from a key defender background into coaching, so we're really excited about what he can offer our key position players - not only backs, but also forwards and the rucks to a degree," he said.

"He's got a really specialised skills-set that we're really looking forward to bringing into our footy club.

"He's a guy that's been working on his craft for a number of years - he hasn't just come straight out of playing and thrown his hat in the ring, he's been working as a coach whilst playing, which is exciting for us."

Rutten will have the luxury of working with almost a full complement of defenders, with David Astbury set to make an impact this season after another year ruined by a knee injury.

Astbury was coming second in the best and fairest count when he dislocated his left patella in round nine, and had been standing up with eventual All Australian defender Alex Rance absent.

It was an injury that affected Hardwick deeply, with the coach visibly upset after it happened and still describing it as "catastrophic" for Astbury, the players and the club as a whole eight months on.

Hardwick said the dynamic of the backline would obviously change with Rance and Astbury both available after playing just three games together last year.

But - as well as slating the Tigers would take a young team into their first NAB Challenge clash on February 28 against the Western Bulldogs - he's planning on using the pre-season competition to find the best fit.

"It's an interesting one. It's same at the other end with the three talls – can we fit Chaplin, Grimes, Astbury, Batchelor … all these guys in the same backline?" he said.

"That's why we're really excited to go into this NAB Challenge campaign, to see what's going to be the best side for us to win football matches.

"But, the reality is, all those guys are fit and firing at the moment and we're really excited we've got all our key position prospects on the park and we're looking forward to seeing what they can deliver.

"[Astbury] is dearly loved, he's going to be an incredible player for us and we're looking forward to him taking his career to the next level because he's certainly got the characteristics and more importantly the ability to do so."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-04/rutten-to-lift-tigers

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 01:28:16 PM »
We have a coach called Benjamin Rutten.

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 01:53:27 PM »
Whilst I'm all for Ben Rutten.. lets get some premiership experienced coaches/personnel. Go after Tom Harley, Ling, Lenny hayes ( plenty more ) because at the moment we are failing in the pressure situations. I know we went on a crazy winning streak to make the finals and there were definitely some pressure cooker situations, but we are a finals team. We've made finals 2 years in a row and had our pants pulled down both times. Time to get some finals success/experience around the players.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 01:57:31 PM »
No we're not.
If we were, we'd have won one.
Were merely a glossy 9th sitter that fell into
Finals, only to be exposed.

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 07:40:39 PM »
Actually don't mind Rutten at the Tigers for the reasons that Dimma has stated.

I think that logic falls down if you:-
A. over index on recently retired players as they are less experienced as a pure coach/manager
B. You have low profile players like we have - you have to question the value that McQualter and Bailey bring as recent players given their careers. Who listens to McQualters experience as a "recent player"?
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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 08:32:00 PM »

......you have to question the value that McQualter and Bailey bring as recent players given their careers. Who listens to McQualters experience as a "recent player"?

The respective clubs are probably glad they didn't think that about Hafey or Pagan or Joyce or Malthouse or Clarkson then!

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 08:59:39 PM »
Problem with recent ones as well is how good they were as players. I know playing ability doesn't directly correlate with coaching ability but who do you think players would listen to more Scarlett or Zac Dawson? If they are a recent player they should of been damned good players IMO and Rutten was one, McQualter and Bailey were not.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 09:49:30 PM »

......you have to question the value that McQualter and Bailey bring as recent players given their careers. Who listens to McQualters experience as a "recent player"?

The respective clubs are probably glad they didn't think that about Hafey or Pagan or Joyce or Malthouse or Clarkson then!

I was responding to Dimmas comment - those guys you've mentiined went off and coached first at other clubs before coming back into the system at the highest level. My point was more in relation to Yeah Rights post  :cheers
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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 10:41:50 PM »

......you have to question the value that McQualter and Bailey bring as recent players given their careers. Who listens to McQualters experience as a "recent player"?

The respective clubs are probably glad they didn't think that about Hafey or Pagan or Joyce or Malthouse or Clarkson then!

I was responding to Dimmas comment - those guys you've mentiined went off and coached first at other clubs before coming back into the system at the highest level. My point was more in relation to Yeah Rights post  :cheers

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No probs but I don't buy into the fact you need to have been a good senior AFL player to be a good coach.  All of those I mentioned did coach elsewhere before they became successful senior AFL coaches but they all obviously had what it took and learned their craft somewhere.  Who's to say McQualter or Rutten or Lade don't have what it takes and are just learning their craft at Richmond, and that we are actually reaping the benefits of that?  Lyon or Leppitsch ring a bell?  None of them are senior coaches yet and are not ultimately responsible for our performance on gameday but to reject them solely on the basis of 'because they were a low profile player then they must be no good as a coach' is not factually sound reasoning.

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 03:40:17 PM »
why does a player need to have been a good player to be a coach?

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 08:52:43 PM »
Problem with recent ones as well is how good they were as players. I know playing ability doesn't directly correlate with coaching ability but who do you think players would listen to more Scarlett or Zac Dawson? If they are a recent player they should of been damned good players IMO and Rutten was one, McQualter and Bailey were not.
geez that would exclude hafey sheedy and malthouse. none were exceptional players but they all had to work hard to achieve what they did on a footy field. a bit like zac dawson eh.
bloody hell the little tyrant at hawthorn whats his name oh yeah no name  clarkson was a battler. seems players listen if you have something decent to say.

hmm scarlett or dawson its not about their careers as afl players they were both good enough to play over 100games  id say its what they have stuffed inside rtheir craniums and how well they can comunicate their message  that is more important.

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 01:41:14 AM »
Ffs this isnt about if they are actually good coaches, or at least not my point. Its how much do you think players will respect a duds opinion? Are we really in a position to have only recent players as development coaches?

And claw its already been pointed out those guys tried coaching else where first

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 01:46:14 AM »
Ffs this isnt about if they are actually good coaches, or at least not my point. Its how much do you think players will respect a duds opinion? Are we really in a position to have only recent players as development coaches?

And claw its already been pointed out those guys tried coaching else where first

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 08:36:10 AM »
Ffs this isnt about if they are actually good coaches, or at least not my point. Its how much do you think players will respect a duds opinion? Are we really in a position to have only recent players as development coaches?

And claw its already been pointed out those guys tried coaching else where first

development coaches are given their gig by the senior coach - if the players don't respect them simply bc they were dud players then they don't respect the coach whose decision and judgement it was to bring them on.

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Re: Assistant coach Ben Rutten to get Tigers rolling, says Hardwick (afl site)
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 11:08:57 AM »
Ffs this isnt about if they are actually good coaches, or at least not my point. Its how much do you think players will respect a duds opinion? Are we really in a position to have only recent players as development coaches?

And claw its already been pointed out those guys tried coaching else where first

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