Rumour is....

[Stylo]

This might be the most depressing forum on the internet

[cub]

actually I want a bluddy premiership. fts

[Penelope]

BJ you have been shown up here pal. Just accept it mate, it happens to the best of us.  Just ask albert.

LOL, nice try little man.
what i like about you is that you make those of us with a semblance of intelligence look like geniuses   

[The Big Richo]

Let's face it, Hardwick has had a good run at it and stagnated last year.

This is the year that will tell us.

If they don't improve, which means top 6 minimum and winning a final then we will have reached the top of his curve and it will be time to move on and start again.

They should be confident they will achieve top four and winning finals, otherwise Hardwick should have quit already.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Let's face it, Hardwick has had a good run at it and stagnated last year.

This is the year that will tell us.

If they don't improve, which means top 6 minimum and winning a final then we will have reached the top of his curve and it will be time to move on and start again.

They should be confident they will achieve top four and winning finals, otherwise Hardwick should have quit already.

I think many are on the same page as you TBR!
It has been hard to date to sack a guy that has got us into 2 finals series in a row. Nobody has done that for 40 years!
However, if we stagnate, it would all have been for nothing.

[the claw]

This might be the most depressing forum on the internet

that may be true but it is the most honest.
how anyone can argue hardwicks overall record is good is just plain ridiculous.but wheres the balance in saying that. who in his right mind expected him to have a good win loss record in his first couple of seasons.
how rumour is even mentioned in this thread is beyond me. the club has constantly said finals and a final win is expected. not a  rumour but a goal that was established 4 or 5 months ago.
its probably a reasonable expectation for a middling team and that people is what we are,  middling, our results our list everything screams this at us.

the challenge for hardwick is to take us beyond middling stop stagnating and become a consistent top 6 side.  i for one just cant see it happening. it means 14 to 15 wins and a home final
the trouble is there is so much competition about with so many clubs so close to each other finishing 12 or worse is a realistic possibility also.

my complaint with hardwick is imo he stopped making hard decisions 2 seasons ago in preference for unsustainable  short term gain.i also think recruiting while we have improved a little has not ever been properly addressed and list management imo is ordinary.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

This might be the most depressing forum on the internet

that may be true but it is the most honest.
how anyone can argue hardwicks overall record is good is just plain ridiculous.but wheres the balance in saying that. who in his right mind expected him to have a good win loss record in his first couple of seasons.
how rumour is even mentioned in this thread is beyond me. the club has constantly said finals and a final win is expected. not a  rumour but a goal that was established 4 or 5 months ago.
its probably a reasonable expectation for a middling team and that people is what we are,  middling, our results our list everything screams this at us.

the challenge for hardwick is to take us beyond middling stop stagnating and become a consistent top 6 side.  i for one just cant see it happening. it means 14 to 15 wins and a home final
the trouble is there is so much competition about with so many clubs so close to each other finishing 12 or worse is a realistic possibility also.

my complaint with hardwick is imo he stopped making hard decisions 2 seasons ago in preference for unsustainable  short term gain.i also think recruiting while we have improved a little has not ever been properly addressed and list management imo is ordinary.

I agree totally with this summary.
I think one of two things happened to Hardwick two years ago:
1) He could see his plan of building the list would take longer than he promised and so started taking short cuts to be able to get us into the finals so he could fulfil his KPIs
2) He completely misjudged how good the list was and thought that it needed a little topping up.

Either way we went off the right track and went for the recycled player without enough youth being brought in.  Also the quality of the recycled player wasn't that high which has made us stagnate.

[Yeahright]

It gets better, the bumhole has a career coaching win record of 45%. The worst coaching record of any current coach with more than 1 season in the job.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?status=A&type=&sort=p

And for those playing at home, this figure is worse than Terry Wallets 47% and Jeff Giechens 51%

Reach for those stars Damien

Early years I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt because he took on a crappy list and did what he said in giving games to youngsters. Unfortuantely it seems he thinks once you do that for 2-3 years you no longer have to give any games to younger (or better performing) players

[Penelope]

clearly the worst coach we've had in the last 30 years or so,



or so it would seem.......

[Chuck17]

Can we get Sheedy?

[mat073]

Well in Hardwicks first two seasons - when our list was described as "Fitzroy-esque" his winning percentage was 31% ....for those of you too young to remember Fitzroy - The lions were the Melbourne of the 90s.

In the past two years - Hardwick has a winning percentage in the H&A season of 61 %. Plus given hope to any team that finds itself 3-10.....that kind of resurrection will always be known as doing a "Richmond".

We will win a final soon enough ....until then - what are you girls whinging about ?

[🏅Dooks]

It gets better, the bumhole has a career coaching win record of 45%. The worst coaching record of any current coach with more than 1 season in the job.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?status=A&type=&sort=p

And for those playing at home, this figure is worse than Terry Wallets 47% and Jeff Giechens 51%

Reach for those stars Damien

Early years I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt because he took on a crappy list.........

Sounds strangely familiar as a Richmond supporter.

I don't want to spoil the end of the movie, but when it all happens and reality hits, people will be stunned how they didn't see it coming (again).

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Can we get Sheedy?

Would rather Checker Hughes and you know where he is!

[🏅Dooks]

Can we get Sheedy?

Would rather Checker Hughes and you know where he is!

Weekend at Bernies style. Couldn't do any worse.

I think sheedy is busy anyway for the next few years, propping open a door somewhere....

[Hellenic Tiger]

Clarkson lost 3 games out of 25 at 88% in 2013
Lost 5 from 25 last year at 80%.
Giving Clarko 42 wins from 50 starts at 84%.

Yeah 60 % my ass.

24% off the pace BJ.

Dimmas win loss last two seasons is 60% , what's ross Lyons  don't stuff it will be 24 diff matey , do your homework buddy

You claimed Rossy's was 60% as Clarko's.

Rossy for the record is 34 wins 1 draw and 14 losses in the last 2 years at 70.4%.

You still claiming 60%.

Dimma is 27 from 46 at 58.69% last two years.

Just shows the gulf between us scraping into the 8 or getting knocked out in the first week of finals compared to bona fide top 4 sides.

For the record Port started further behind us at the end of 2012 yet have won 30 games from 48 starts including 2 interstate finals and a home one against us and running the Premiers in a prelim to a bees swizzle stick of a GF at 62.5%.

Are Port more on the up than us. I reckon but I digress from the topic.

Your figures have as many black holes as Treasurer Hockey's balance sheets.

Again I reiterate 60% my ass.