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How Hawthorn fooled Richmond to scoop Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Jordan Lewis in 2004 draft

    Jon Ralph
    Herald Sun
    April 05, 2015 7:00PM



VICTORY has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.

So it follows that the fabulous 2004 draft has been shrouded in mystery, misinformation and claims of credit from a hundred different officials.

Hawthorn famously secured the building blocks of its next three flags in Jarryd Roughead (pick 2), Lance Franklin (pick 5) and Jordan Lewis (pick 7).

Yet the definitive inside story is full of twists, turns and dramas and it may surprise to learn who the Hawks might have taken if they had just a single pick.

“At the time Nathan Thompson really felt like he needed a change because he had been battling with his mental issues and when that happened Alastair Clarkson was adamant we needed to get two talls,’’ says football manager John Hook, who would depart soon after that draft.

So would begin a trade/draft masterclass rarely seen now but unheard of a decade ago.

Hawthorn knew it needed a third high selection after receiving picks 2 and 5 after a poor 2004 season and Thompson’s trade added picks 10 and 26.

Yet recruiter Gary Buckenara had pored over the draft and identified two talls — Franklin and Roughead — plus a Geelong Falcon in Lewis who fitted every need.

The problem was Lewis wouldn’t be around at pick 10.

Hook’s masterstroke was to give 10 to Collingwood (who used it on Chris Egan — ouch!) as well as a later pick, accepting pick 7 and Bo Nixon (surplus to requirements but necessary because clubs couldn’t then make pure swaps involving only picks).

“Bucky at the time felt through the footy grapevine Lewis might not last to 10. So we got 10 for Thompson, traded down a few rungs, and it was on,’’ says Hook.

The Hawks had the guns loaded, but needed another slice of genius.

Northern Territory star junior Richard Tambling had stayed with recruiter Buckenara in the lead-in to the draft, and rivals were sure the Hawks were in love with him.

Richmond was so keen on Gippsland tall Roughead the Tigers had already invited him to a post-draft barbecue.

WA colt Franklin, brilliant the previous year but having endured a moderate under-18 season, was the wildcard.

The Hawks knew Richmond would take Brett Deledio at pick 1 and the Dogs would snare Ryan Griffen at selection 3.

Richmond had cooled on Franklin, but if Hawthorn took its first-choice tall in Franklin with selection two Richmond would snare Roughead at pick 4.

Instead, they took Roughead at pick 2, with the player himself shocked to be taken so early given the lack of contact.

Richmond, so desperate for a tall-small combo, had to take Tambling at four.

Some in Hawthorn still believe if the Hawks had just one pick that draft Franklin would have been their man, although Hook isn’t quite as sure.

“We took the calculated punt with Roughead to short-circuit Richmond,’’ says one Hawk insider.

“It was the only way we would get them both.”

“Bucky did such a good job with that draft,’’says Hook.

“They have all been terrific players but also great leaders as well.”

Franklin remains the game’s dominant forward, Roughead’s career speaks for itself and Lewis was the best-and-fairest winner in last year’s premiership season.

And the picks after Hawthorn’s steal? John Meesen (8, Melbourne), Jordan Russell (9, Carlton), Egan (9, Collingwood), Adam Thompson (11, Port Adelaide) and Danny Myer (12, Richmond).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-hawthorn-fooled-richmond-to-scoop-lance-franklin-jarryd-roughead-jordan-lewis-in-2004-draft/story-fnp04d70-1227292150371

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Is this an article from 2010? :sleep
2015.

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Fluff article aimed to wax hawthorn in lead up to season 2015  :wallywink
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We won't see another article like this until the week before the draft.

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Had we had both those players, we wouldn't have known what to do with them anyway, so moot point

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God, stuff, really, this draft is still going on, honestly jurno's.. :sleep :sleep :sleep

What about we talk about how Buddy fooled the Hawks when he left for 1m to play for the Swans.

Or how we fooled the Dees and got Martin.

Or how we fooled the GWS and snared Miles, or how we fooled WCE & Dockers and got McIntosh...

FFS. Move on!!!!
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They probably would have been the best defenders we ever had, but we'd still be scratching our heads wondering why we're still coming 9th

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I know we'll never see them, but would love to read articles on how the hawks took Mitch Thorp over Selwood and Riewoldt, X. Ellis over Pendlebury and Dowler over Ryder.
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Completely untrue, the Hawks wanted Tambling and Roughead so they thought if they took Roughead first then we would take Franklin and they would get Tambling. Prior to the draft they never wanted Franklin, we forced their hand by taking Tambling at four. They were always going to take Tambling at two prior to the draft, it was only the night before where they planned to take Roughead at 2 knowing that he wouldn't be there at 5.

Oh how we stuffed up their little plan!  That's the truth, nothing like this article portrays. Why doesn't Ralphy as a good journo ask someone at RFC that was involved at the time like Miller or Wallace if he is a real journo instead of this nothing article.

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Amazing article, news to me. Thanks for sharing.

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Not really big news to fool Richmond recruiters.

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In 2011 we traded Tambling to Adelaide for two draft picks which netted us McIntosh and Elton so who looks like the big winners now. Hawthorn lost buddy for pick 19 I believe so it will be interesting to see who will be the long term winner.

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Hawthorn won a flag in 2008 Buddy kicked 117 that year and was a Coleman winner or thereabouts in most other years.

We won a spoon in 07 and we're locked and loaded in 09 and had to rebuild from scratch just about post 2009 while Hawthorn finished, 7th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st and 1st in the years since Dimma became our coach. Tambling in the mean time playing timid and scared footy.

The year we traded him to Adelaide, Gunston came to Hawthorn. We got Maric too.

Right now we are somewhere between half way and the promised land probably more closer to half way to be honest.

Success is measured in Premierships.

I know who the winner is. It's 3-0 since the 2004 draft.

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hawthorn didnt rate franklin to not select him at #2 and assume dogs/tigers were going to overlook him twice

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How Hawthorn fooled Richmond to scoop Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Jordan Lewis in 2004 draft

    Jon Ralph
    Herald Sun
    April 05, 2015 7:00PM



VICTORY has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.

So it follows that the fabulous 2004 draft has been shrouded in mystery, misinformation and claims of credit from a hundred different officials.

Hawthorn famously secured the building blocks of its next three flags in Jarryd Roughead (pick 2), Lance Franklin (pick 5) and Jordan Lewis (pick 7).

Yet the definitive inside story is full of twists, turns and dramas and it may surprise to learn who the Hawks might have taken if they had just a single pick.

“At the time Nathan Thompson really felt like he needed a change because he had been battling with his mental issues and when that happened Alastair Clarkson was adamant we needed to get two talls,’’ says football manager John Hook, who would depart soon after that draft.

So would begin a trade/draft masterclass rarely seen now but unheard of a decade ago.

Hawthorn knew it needed a third high selection after receiving picks 2 and 5 after a poor 2004 season and Thompson’s trade added picks 10 and 26.

Yet recruiter Gary Buckenara had pored over the draft and identified two talls — Franklin and Roughead — plus a Geelong Falcon in Lewis who fitted every need.

The problem was Lewis wouldn’t be around at pick 10.

Hook’s masterstroke was to give 10 to Collingwood (who used it on Chris Egan — ouch!) as well as a later pick, accepting pick 7 and Bo Nixon (surplus to requirements but necessary because clubs couldn’t then make pure swaps involving only picks).

“Bucky at the time felt through the footy grapevine Lewis might not last to 10. So we got 10 for Thompson, traded down a few rungs, and it was on,’’ says Hook.

The Hawks had the guns loaded, but needed another slice of genius.

Northern Territory star junior Richard Tambling had stayed with recruiter Buckenara in the lead-in to the draft, and rivals were sure the Hawks were in love with him.

Richmond was so keen on Gippsland tall Roughead the Tigers had already invited him to a post-draft barbecue.

WA colt Franklin, brilliant the previous year but having endured a moderate under-18 season, was the wildcard.

The Hawks knew Richmond would take Brett Deledio at pick 1 and the Dogs would snare Ryan Griffen at selection 3.

Richmond had cooled on Franklin, but if Hawthorn took its first-choice tall in Franklin with selection two Richmond would snare Roughead at pick 4.

Instead, they took Roughead at pick 2, with the player himself shocked to be taken so early given the lack of contact.

Richmond, so desperate for a tall-small combo, had to take Tambling at four.

Some in Hawthorn still believe if the Hawks had just one pick that draft Franklin would have been their man, although Hook isn’t quite as sure.

“We took the calculated punt with Roughead to short-circuit Richmond,’’ says one Hawk insider.

“It was the only way we would get them both.”

“Bucky did such a good job with that draft,’’says Hook.

“They have all been terrific players but also great leaders as well.”

Franklin remains the game’s dominant forward, Roughead’s career speaks for itself and Lewis was the best-and-fairest winner in last year’s premiership season.

And the picks after Hawthorn’s steal? John Meesen (8, Melbourne), Jordan Russell (9, Carlton), Egan (9, Collingwood), Adam Thompson (11, Port Adelaide) and Danny Myer (12, Richmond).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-hawthorn-fooled-richmond-to-scoop-lance-franklin-jarryd-roughead-jordan-lewis-in-2004-draft/story-fnp04d70-1227292150371

That doesn't make sense.

If we wanted a tall-small combo, we would have taken Franklin.

Surely they didn't think Deledio was a tall?

Horrible article as the facts are all wrong!