R.I.P. thread

[Francois Jackson]

 

Jack Black is so good.

[Diocletian]

RIP Brother

https://www.9news.com.au/world/hulk-hogan-death-professional-wrestling-icon-dies-aged-71/59ffe311-b3cc-4b61-b162-1c5bd463ab9d

[Tigeritis™©®]

RIP Charlie Kirk.

A family man, a Christian and a political conservative that believed in freedom of speech, an exchange of ideas, opinions and having open discourse in college campuses throughout the US was assassinated at 31. A husband and father killed for speaking the truth.

He was always respectful in his speech and always gave  an opportunity for apposing views to have a discussion. He started doing this when he was 20 before there were thousands of people and microphones or cameras. In 13 years he built a very successful movement. He was even recently parodied on South Park which he complimented and thought was hilarious and the ultimate compliment.

May God give comfort and strength to your family and may your legacy and impact live on.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-charlie-kirk-helped-shape-a-conservative-force-for-a-new-generation

[Damo]

RIP Charlie .. terrible what happened

But to suggest he was killed for speaking the truth is a stretch

He was known for spreading misinformation

A lot of his views were divisive as well

[Assange Tiger 😎]

What misinformation? Genuinely curious.

I've seen a bit of his stuff. Generally a respectful guy staunch in his views.

Absolute tragedy. Feel for his family

[Tigeritis™©®]

RIP Charlie .. terrible what happened

But to suggest he was killed for speaking the truth is a stretch

Truth = Fact
1) Abortion is the indiscriminate killing of life
2) Biological women are NOT men and biological men are NOT women
Both of these statements are true according to objective reality and have always been true.

He was known for spreading misinformation

Big claim. Maybe. You'd have to clarify what he said that was misinformation and why

A lot of his views were divisive as well

Probably to some people on the opposing viewpoint.
Some just won't listen to the other side and take things said out of context because it may suit a narrative or paint a picture of someone to make them sound racist or a hate monger.

Charlie was willing to engage with students and teachers and answer their questions and push back on particular narratives with a discussion and a conversation. We may not agree but let's talk about it and see what happens.

“When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence. That’s when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.”
Charlie Kirk.

[Andyy]

I was a fan somewhat.

Agreed with many things he said, mostly the below stuff, because I take particular issue with what I perceive as the forced false reality of someone else's gender dysphoria. I'm happy to call you whatever name you want, whatever pronoun you want as long as you don't admonish me for getting in wrong from time to time, but I will never acknowledge you as the gender you want to be. Only what I can see and observe and assess for myself. Unfortunately this nonsense is rife and it sickens me that pre-pubescent children are receiving HRT/blockers or having surgery to mutilate themselves, encouraged by others.

I also take issue with someone like that Mouncey person at 188cm and probably 100kg playing footy with ladies. Disgusting.

To me this was just an extremist lefty murdering someone who expressed very conservative views, and often did it quite calmly, factually and respectfully, even if some people found him inflammatory or upsetting that's no reason to kill a bloke.

Same goes with the Minnesota murders of the democrats etc.

2) Biological women are NOT men and biological men are NOT women
Both of these statements are true according to objective reality and have always been true.

[Damo]

I will start by saying I'm not a fan, nor a hater .. BUT, regardless of what I think, him being assassinated is horrendous and he most definitely didn't deserve it at all.

As an atheist it's vary rare that I am a fan of devout Christian's like Kirk.

I have my own personal beliefs .. example, I think a woman that has been raped should be allowed an abortion .. denying that is a horrendous act IMO
His views on LGBQT+, I agree with a lot of.

He used his position within religion to very smartly gain traction with other "believers", yet says there should be a line between religion and state .. I believe he used his religious beliefs to cross that line (Christian Nationalism).

The views on the Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King, were, IMO, extremely divisive. Nobody can tell me different on that. The idiocy of being against woman taking birth control because it suited the leanings of the Democrats because it made woman angry and bitter, is nonsense IMO.

As for misinformation. Hydroxychloroquine during Covid was one. Human trafficking numbers another. Lying about Obama during Swine Flu was another.

He was one of the main people involved in the attack on the White House as well.

Sad he's dead, he shouldn't be. He should be allowed to say as he pleases without fear of being shot.
Millions loved him, idolised him. In religious America, it isn't surprising, but for me it's all gone over the top.

Flags at the half, calls for statues and whatever else. National hero etc. I don't go for all that, but I'm not American.

[WilliamPowell]

Great post Damo

I will not comment on anything else regarding this blokes death.

I have strong views on it but I will keep them to myself

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Great post Damo

I will not comment on anything else regarding this blokes death.

I have strong views on it but I will keep them to myself

why not share? if those strong views in any way are thinking he helped bring it on himself..

He said nothing that would warrant any type of violence let alone a brutal death.

This shows how dangerous this stupid bloody planet has become. At least we have left wing media to let us know it could have been a supporter of charlie shooting their gun in celebration.

Why is it so fricken hard for some people to just either say their piece and leave it at that or simply ignore people they know they won't agree with or find common ground? Nooo, we have to call them fascist, nazi etc and shoot them. It's sickening

[mightytiges]

I must be the only person who had never heard of him. Mind you I pay little attention to these moronic foreign Yanks. Even more so, I can't stand so-called "influencers" (talk about an Orwellian term btw). Imagine being a sheep whose worldview is "influenced" from these attention-seeking money-grubby grifters with no qualifications nor expertise in anything . 

Anyway, I see this guy was your typical evangelical religious nutjob you get in America. Another hypocrite who dressed up his political conservatism and culture war crap as "Christianity" (I must have missed where in the Bible it says Je-sus was a political conservative who loved guns and hated people who were born different ).

Anyway, this little 'gem' of his stood out:

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.

Ironic.

Now, should someone be targeted and murdered, of course not. It's evil, barbaric, and ultimately self-destructive as it becomes tit-for-tat violence with reprisal after reprisal. Just a form of gangster culture. But this overtly toxic American culture enables such evil acts and does nothing to reduce them let alone prevent them. And when you have these grifters promoting and exploiting this deranged BS for political fame and profit, it's hard to have sympathy when they end up a victim of it. Stupid Yankee idiots!

Thankfully, we Aussies rejected such foreign toxic cultural war crap in large numbers at the last election. Helps that we don't have this idiotic gun culture and further to that we're approaching a majority who are non-religious, so we aren't so gullible. Which begs the question as to why this guy is being made such a big deal of here in Australia's media when he had nothing to do with Australia. Our pathetic out of touch media pandering once again to the tiny minority fringe .   

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Yep, everyone with an opposing view to you is moronic. You admit to knowing nothing about him and go on a rant saying its hard to have any sympathy..and that hes a stupid american idiot.

Awesome. Stay classy.

Dude is dead, murdered in front of his wife and kid. Find some sympathy in that and be quiet the next time someone on the opposing side of politics dies in the most terrible way.

[mightytiges]

Yep, everyone with an opposing view to you is moronic. You admit to knowing nothing about him and go on a rant saying its hard to have any sympathy..and that hes a stupid american idiot.

Awesome. Stay classy.

Dude is dead, murdered in front of his wife and kid. Find some sympathy in that and be quiet the next time someone on the opposing side of politics dies in the most terrible way.

You mean like how he mocked a political opponent and her husband in 2023 after the husband was attacked with a hammer in their own home by saying a "patriot" (one his MAGA crowd) should bail out the attacker. Yeah, what a class act he was towards his political opponents .

By his own words he had little sympathy for tens of thousands of his own country's citizens who have been murdered in America as a result of guns. Nor their families left behind. Nor the communities forever affected. What about all the innocent kids killed in school shooting after school shooting? Oh wait they weren't some "influencer" on Instagram with a stack of followers so they don't matter. No posts in the RIP thread for them after they were massacred in cold blood . Over 40,000 Americans die each year from gun-related deaths. More than 15,000 per year are murdered. All in the name of his "god-given rights" .

FFS, his murder was especially barbaric given where the bullet hit him in the neck, and he didn't deserve to be harmed at all let alone die. But don't pretend he was some "hero" or "martyr" to be admired. He was, like so many over there are, a core part of the problem. Deliberately fanning toxic cultural war rhetoric for political fame, gain and profit that not only poisons their society but is also now leading to increasingly more political violence over there. So yes, they are stupid American idiots!       

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Not like you to spread misinformation MT. No context with any statement, just pure hate. Proving your initial remarks - you knew nothing of the man.

No one here is admiring him, just not condoning assassinations and we are actually genuine when we say he didn't deserve this. My thoughts are firmly with his family and friends. It truly makes me sad.

I really dislike your paragraphs of hate.

[WilliamPowell]

why not share? if those strong views in any way are thinking he helped bring it on himself..

OK. These will be my only comments

1/ His murder is abhorrent. He didn't deserve. As you say it was barbaric, brutal and he didn’t deserve it. No one does. My heartfelt sympathies go to his wife and especially his children.

2/ just because he's a Christian doesn't mean he was a good bloke, a decent bloke.

3/ so please let's not make him out to be some martyr.

4/ despite what the US President said this shouldn't be a left -v- right thing despite him without hesitation making it that way. His hypocrisy knows no bounds. A conservative gets murdered and without any proof it is leftist extremists who did it. Extreme right wingers storm the capital,  murder and injure people and they are patriots. Even you AT had to make a comment about the left in your reply to me. Andyy too, posted without any proof it had to be "an extreme leftist " who did it. Surely we can wait to find out and then go whack.

5/ Finally, there was one comment made under the term fact that I vehemently disagree with but I refuse to get into that discussion again