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Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« on: September 11, 2015, 02:49:54 AM »
Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose?

Wayne Carey
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September 11, 2015



Let the (real) games begin! As harsh as that may sound for those who've sweated it out during the home and away season, footy isn't about winning the battles. It's about winning the war - playing finals and winning premierships.

That's what every footballer dreams about and it is the prize that is now within reach of just eight clubs, half of which are Victorian and three of which are adding a fresh, yet welcome, twist to September.

Whilst you clearly can't ignore the might of Hawthorn and what they've been able to achieve over the past seven years, it's the Doggies, Tigers and Kangas who've got most of Melbourne talking because of the droughts that their fans have had to endure.

And on Sunday two of those clubs - Richmond and North - will go head-to-head in a battle that has a sub-plot that is as intriguing as the match itself.

Which club, and which coach, has more to lose? Damien Hardwick and Brad Scott have almost had parallel lives as coaches. While Hardwick's six years at the Tigers have yielded 66 wins, 66 losses and two draws, the same six-year period has netted Scott and his Kangaroos 72 wins and 60 losses.

Scott probably inherited a better list than Hardwick and North's performances under his reign tend to tell the story. They've always hit double figures when it comes to wins in the home and away season and showed just how far they'd come last year by making a preliminary final.

By contrast, Hardwick's tenure at Punt Road began in truly awful fashion, with nine straight losses eventually ending in a year that netted just six wins. While they won just eight games the following season, they've improved to such an extent since then that many of the Tigers faithful now consider them genuine flag contenders.

Indeed, Richmond's improvement – across their entire playing list - has been impossible to ignore which is why, when you sit and compare these clubs, it becomes more apparent that North have more to lose on Sunday.

Both of these clubs will consider 2015 a wasted year if they don't advance past this weekend, but the Kangas have more on the line. Whether they like it or not, they are going to have to go through significant change over the next two years as a group of core players hang up their boots or are pushed out the door.

It's highly unlikely that Harvey, Petrie, Firrito and Dal Santo will still be going around in 2017 and if it wasn't for their key recruits in Jarrad Waite and Shaun Higgins winning games off their own boot this season, they may well have missed the finals. So where are they heading?

Just compare the Kangas' future in Tarrant, Goldstein, McMillan, Wright, Atley, Cunnington, Ziebell, Swallow, Bastinac,  Brown and Turner.

There's some real talent there, but the Tigers appear destined for greater heights as they mould their future around the likes of Myles, Ellis, McIntosh, Lennan, Lambert, Batchelor, Hunt, Grimes, Martin, Cotchin, Edwards, Riewoldt, Vickery, Rance and Lloyd.

The Tigers' quality really is plain to see and it's been on show since midway through last season. Apart from that less-than-memorable finals shellacking at the hands of Port, they've actually now won 24 of their past 32 games.

They have built their side on sound defence and it's the type of football that's needed to go deep into September. Their players – led by Trent Cotchin – also seem to have matured enormously. They are developing a consistent hardness to their game and the improvement has been across the board.

North, on the other hand, are arguably a better offensive side and, discounting last Friday's 'dead rubber', boast a really good recent record against Richmond.

They'll also enter this match with valuable finals experience which can go a long way when the going gets tough.

All in all, it boils down to one heck of a showdown. One which both clubs, both coaches and all of their players and fans will be desperate to win.

And while Richmond's huge army of fans might be giving the impression that the heat is on Hardwick and the Tigers to win their first final in years, Scott and his Kangaroos will be acutely aware that there may not be a tomorrow for this playing group. Their time has to be now.

Club versus club, coach versus coach… and 90,000 screaming fans at the mighty MCG for a September final. Yep, this is what football is about. Bring it on.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-finals-2015-do-richmond-or-north-melbourne-have-more-to-lose-20150910-gjjjvm.html

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2015, 06:12:39 AM »
Not a bad article from "the duck".

He probably ommitted the fact that we're favourites going into this one, which probably helps North just a little bit. Massive high stakes game, I think we have the steel to do it..... :pray :pray :pray

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 06:28:38 AM »
I'm not sure why the kangas are not favourites - They are the oldest list in the finals with 7 players over 30 vs our Chris Newman.
Those guys won't be there in 2017 or 2018 at best.
They have added Higgins and Waite to a list that played off for a GF.

Them losing to Richmond would be a disaster in my view.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 10:45:09 AM »
Yes - I think Kangaroos should be slight favourites , given their record against us.

If ever there was a credibility test for Richmond .....this is it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2015, 10:59:10 AM »
Lolnorf have far more to lose than us. They've rolled the dice for a flag this year after playing prelim last year. Sure we need to win a final but we have a 2-4 year window for a flag. It's this year or bust for them.
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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2015, 11:24:30 AM »
North would have more to loose specially with the recruits they have topped up with thinking this could be there year a lot people had them in there top4 ... But another loss for our boys would be a huge blow considering what we have done this year and the sides we have beaten I always worry against north it has that final back in early 2000s about it when I thought wed get them but didn't ... I reckon we will no early as well if we are switched on  :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2015, 12:08:11 PM »
Lolnorf have far more to lose than us. They've rolled the dice for a flag this year after playing prelim last year. Sure we need to win a final but we have a 2-4 year window for a flag. It's this year or bust for them.

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2015, 12:10:44 PM »
I don't know, a loss for us would be disastrous too. Three elim' exits in a row would not look good. At least Norf got to a prelim last year.
This is a massive game for our club, on a number of levels.

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2015, 12:39:15 PM »
I don't know, a loss for us would be disastrous too. Three elim' exits in a row would not look good. At least Norf got to a prelim last year.
This is a massive game for our club, on a number of levels.

I've been thinking lately that another elim loss would absolutely destroy our confidence going forward. Must win on Sunday, no compromise.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2015, 01:38:22 PM »
I don't know, a loss for us would be disastrous too. Three elim' exits in a row would not look good. At least Norf got to a prelim last year.
This is a massive game for our club, on a number of levels.

Can you imagine what happens if we win this week? Just think about it for a moment.

We become the real deal this week.

The "typical Richmond" mantra gets put to bed this week.

We are legit chance to take pinch a flag this year.

Believe mate. They will kill themselves for a win on Sunday!

The opposition is irrelevant.



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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2015, 03:42:23 PM »
I don't know about anyone else but for me this game has had me thinking about Richmond v Carlton round 1 2009. Not because of the way we performed that night but quite the opposite.

I feel we are younger, fresher, hungrier and with more to prove.
North and their coach in the last 10 days or so to me seems a little edgy and desperate deflecting
Away from the real issues pertaining to this game.

Furthermore to me we have barely muttered anything whereas they have gone on and on about anything and everything.

I don't think it's even last chance saloon for them. I reckon they are past it. A heavy defeat complemented with an injury or two, to some of the older blokes on their list and given they have been giving out contracts to the older blokes from now they are stuck in no mans land next year also with a rebuild still 12 months away.

This one is in the bag. I hope I am right.  :gotigers

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2015, 07:38:13 PM »
No guarentees for anyone next year, right here, right now TIGERS!

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2015, 09:22:37 PM »
Unfortunately looks like we're going to have to play the Eagles in Perth on prelim final day

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Re: Do Richmond or North Melbourne have more to lose? .... (Age)
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2015, 11:34:51 PM »
Lolnorf have far more to lose than us. They've rolled the dice for a flag this year after playing prelim last year. Sure we need to win a final but we have a 2-4 year window for a flag. It's this year or bust for them.

Agree  :clapping
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