Tivs and Razor offered up for trade

[mightytiges]

Richmond offered Greg Tivendale and key position tall Ray Hall as potential trades yesterday.

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news/afl/heard-the-latest-trade-whispers/2005/10/03/1128191659967.html

[Captain__Blood]

Ray Hall up for trade = 

 - 25 years of age, comming into his prime
 - Very good size: 196cm/97kg, finally put abit od meat on
 - Had an very solid year in the back line, able to pince hit ruck/forward
 - Top 10 in B&F 2004

Pretty decent footballer IMO. Underrated.

[Razorblade]

Ray Hall up for trade = 

 - 25 years of age, comming into his prime
 - Very good size: 196cm/97kg, finally put abit od meat on
 - Had an very solid year in the back line, able to pince hit ruck/forward
 - Top 10 in B&F 2004

Pretty decent footballer IMO. Underrated.

No way is he underrated, if anything he will be overrated on the trade table!

[JohnF]

I think Ray Hall is in his prime and even so he is nothing more than an average player. Definitely won't be the end of the world if he goes. All the same wouldn't mind if he stayed.

[letsgetiton!]

Ray Hall up for trade = 

 - 25 years of age, comming into his prime
 - Very good size: 196cm/97kg, finally put abit od meat on
 - Had an very solid year in the back line, able to pince hit ruck/forward
 - Top 10 in B&F 2004

Pretty decent footballer IMO. Underrated.

he is clumsey and a clutz, wears blinkers when he runs with the ball, and really only played 3 good games this yr.

i say if we can off load tiv and hall for anything half decent we will win that deal!

bte, essendon offered bolton and richards for pick 8 !!!!   idiots, miller told them no way no chance

[the_boy_jake]

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

We waited too long with Bourke, perhaps we were a bit emotional about Francis' son becoming a player his father could be proud of. We waited too long with Ben Holland - there was a time when common perception was that Holland was a very good CHB. I think he rarely lived up to this on the field and we could have pinched a couple of good kids for him if we let him go a couple of seasons earlier. I think if Razor can be used such that we pick up a promising kid or as makeweight in a deal for a potential matchwinner (Fevola) we should push ahead.

[letsgetiton!]

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

We waited too long with Bourke, perhaps we were a bit emotional about Francis' son becoming a player his father could be proud of. We waited too long with Ben Holland - there was a time when common perception was that Holland was a very good CHB. I think he rarely lived up to this on the field and we could have pinched a couple of good kids for him if we let him go a couple of seasons earlier. I think if Razor can be used such that we pick up a promising kid or as makeweight in a deal for a potential matchwinner (Fevola) we should push ahead.

well said

[Razorblade]

We could get value for Hall, but my concern is ending up with a horrible defensive line, especially if Gas or AK get injured!

[Captain__Blood]

Schultz must be our CHB.

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

Hall is 24. Chad Cornes  25.

[Captain__Blood]

We could get value for Hall, but my concern is ending up with a horrible defensive line, especially if Gas or AK get injured!

You can go planning your side in case of injuries to your key players, you just can't cover them.

If Schultz can mature into a solid/promsing CHB we have a pretty solid back 6 and with the likes of Thursfeilds comming along some deapth.

[Razorblade]

Big if!

I used to despise him until this year when IMO he really kicked on, i tend to wonder if he can improve again or if it was just a case of "playing under an actual coach for a year syndrome", which Tuck, Pettifer, Brown and other players seemed to have catched this season! 

I'd shop him, definetly, but i'd want suitable compensation due to our questionable defense!

[the_boy_jake]

Schultz must be our CHB.

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

Hall is 24. Chad Cornes  25.

Stand corrected. I had thought Hall was 25 and Cornes 23.

Agree re. Schulz. Its actually a chance to find out 12 - 18 months earlier what Jay is really capable off - its not as if he should or needs to be in cotton wool any longer.

[WilliamPowell]

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

We waited too long with Bourke, perhaps we were a bit emotional about Francis' son becoming a player his father could be proud of. We waited too long with Ben Holland - there was a time when common perception was that Holland was a very good CHB. I think he rarely lived up to this on the field and we could have pinched a couple of good kids for him if we let him go a couple of seasons earlier. I think if Razor can be used such that we pick up a promising kid or as makeweight in a deal for a potential matchwinner (Fevola) we should push ahead.

I reckon you've hit the nail on the head here Jake. Although I am not that keen on Fevola 

As I said on another thread - Hall has value this season. The harsh reality is that I don't think there is that much on our list that we'd be prepared to part with that would attract a great deal of interest. Maybe it is time we did bite the bullet and trade someone of value rather than "umming & arghing" about it and losing an opportunity to improve our position in the draft as we have done so many times in the past

[Darth Tiger]

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

We waited too long with Bourke, perhaps we were a bit emotional about Francis' son becoming a player his father could be proud of. We waited too long with Ben Holland - there was a time when common perception was that Holland was a very good CHB. I think he rarely lived up to this on the field and we could have pinched a couple of good kids for him if we let him go a couple of seasons earlier. I think if Razor can be used such that we pick up a promising kid or as makeweight in a deal for a potential matchwinner (Fevola) we should push ahead.

I reckon you've hit the nail on the head here Jake. Although I am not that keen on Fevola

As I said on another thread - Hall has value this season. The harsh reality is that I don't think there is that much on our list that we'd be prepared to part with that would attract a great deal of interest. Maybe it is time we did bite the bullet and trade someone of value rather than "umming & arghing" about it and losing an opportunity to improve our position in the draft as we have done so many times in the past

Agree, Razor has had his best season in terms of consistency this year and has probably maxed out his currency.  Would be pushing to get an early 3rd round trade for Ray.

Fev is certainly not the answer if RFC are to achieve regular Top 4 and have a genuine chance for a Premiership.

[Captain__Blood]

We have to be more ruthless here - Razor has come on a little bit this season, but he is still nowhere near a Cornes or Maguire, both of whom are considerably younger.

We waited too long with Bourke, perhaps we were a bit emotional about Francis' son becoming a player his father could be proud of. We waited too long with Ben Holland - there was a time when common perception was that Holland was a very good CHB. I think he rarely lived up to this on the field and we could have pinched a couple of good kids for him if we let him go a couple of seasons earlier. I think if Razor can be used such that we pick up a promising kid or as makeweight in a deal for a potential matchwinner (Fevola) we should push ahead.

I reckon you've hit the nail on the head here Jake. Although I am not that keen on Fevola

As I said on another thread - Hall has value this season. The harsh reality is that I don't think there is that much on our list that we'd be prepared to part with that would attract a great deal of interest. Maybe it is time we did bite the bullet and trade someone of value rather than "umming & arghing" about it and losing an opportunity to improve our position in the draft as we have done so many times in the past

Agree, Razor has had his best season in terms of consistency this year and has probably maxed out his currency.  Would be pushing to get an early 3rd round trade for Ray.

Fev is certainly not the answer if RFC are to achieve regular Top 4 and have a genuine chance for a Premiership.

Hall for 3rd rounder? Swanies offered us a 2nd round 12/24 months ago, did they not? He has had a ripped year (for Ray Hall standards) and at 25 is on the verge of his best 3 season. 195cm+, 25 yoa, comming up to his pime = mid 2nd rounder, at least.

i reckon Fev could be the answer to getting Richmond top 4 whilst our older core of players are still around.