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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2016, 08:43:17 AM »
Very angry. A game we should have won but then again we brought in Hunt. Grigg and Hampson maintained his spot. In last two minutes did not play smart football. If Maric was playing he would not have allowed Grundy to be at the back unguarded. This was a very painful loss which will have ramifications later in the season. Someone in the leadership group should have stood up. This side needs Lids back badly.

Excellent post

Still peeved. Outside of the result there were a number, berries of huge disappointments

 extremely disappointed with C Ellis, did he touch the ball? I'm a huge rap for this kid but last night he was poor. He looks terrible slow and dare I say it unfit.

Biggest disappointment for me was Griffiths. I've defended this bloke a lot because I understood what his role is and what he is supposed to be doing. But last night he gave nothing, that dropped in the last was costly and inexcusable

Obviously in a loss like last night there are those who never fail to disappoint. ...hello Brandon, Hampson, Hunt

And then there are those who you expect more from and they let you down. And when one of them is your best player (hello Rance) then it makes it all the more gut wrenching. That play that Cotchin originally set up by going backwards to Rance who then inexcusably went 40 metres sideways with a high kick to Vlastuin was so costly... not to mention stupid

As for our Captain, people can make excuses, point to the 38 touches he had but missing set shots 30 metres out is his Achilles heel and team deflated. It hurts.

Actually the 2nd quarter of missing sitters helped in the Pies win, half time should have been 5 goals up and game just about over. Then again based on the last 3 minutes probably not

Oh well

We lost what we shouldn't have and now we face the consequences of our stupidity and ineptitude

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2016, 08:51:04 AM »
Thank you you absolute imbeciles for stuffing up my Nite.......I totally disgraced myself in front of my wife by hurling my stubbie at the wall..........not only did I waste a beer now I am not getting laid on my birthday for my behaviour......stuff you Richmond......
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #197 on: April 02, 2016, 08:51:52 AM »
Very angry. A game we should have won but then again we brought in Hunt. Grigg and Hampson maintained his spot. In last two minutes did not play smart football. If Maric was playing he would not have allowed Grundy to be at the back unguarded. This was a very painful loss which will have ramifications later in the season. Someone in the leadership group should have stood up. This side needs Lids back badly.

Excellent post

Still peeved. Outside of the result there were a number, berries of huge disappointments

 extremely disappointed with C Ellis, did he touch the ball? I'm a huge rap for this kid but last night he was poor. He looks terrible slow and dare I say it unfit.

Biggest disappointment for me was Griffiths. I've defended this bloke a lot because I understood what his role is and what he is supposed to be doing. But last night he gave nothing, that dropped in the last was costly and inexcusable

Obviously in a loss like last night there are those who never fail to disappoint. ...hello Brandon, Hampson, Hunt

And then there are those who you expect more from and they let you down. And when one of them is your best player (hello Rance) then it makes it all the more gut wrenching. That play that Cotchin originally set up by going backwards to Rance who then inexcusably went 40 metres sideways with a high kick to Vlastuin was so costly... not to mention stupid

As for our Captain, people can make excuses, point to the 38 touches he had but missing set shots 30 metres out is his Achilles heel and team deflated. It hurts.

Actually the 2nd quarter of missing sitters helped in the Pies win, half time should have been 5 goals up and game just about over. Then again based on the last 3 minutes probably not

Oh well

We lost what we shouldn't have and now we face the consequences of our stupidity and ineptitude

Thanks Tigers


Good post WP and I know you're not a fan of Brandon but he was one of our best last night. We need a new lock down defender who can play on small forwards :banghead

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #198 on: April 02, 2016, 08:53:47 AM »
Very angry. A game we should have won but then again we brought in Hunt. Grigg and Hampson maintained his spot. In last two minutes did not play smart football. If Maric was playing he would not have allowed Grundy to be at the back unguarded. This was a very painful loss which will have ramifications later in the season. Someone in the leadership group should have stood up. This side needs Lids back badly.

Excellent post

Still peeved. Outside of the result there were a number, berries of huge disappointments

 extremely disappointed with C Ellis, did he touch the ball? I'm a huge rap for this kid but last night he was poor. He looks terrible slow and dare I say it unfit.

Biggest disappointment for me was Griffiths. I've defended this bloke a lot because I understood what his role is and what he is supposed to be doing. But last night he gave nothing, that dropped in the last was costly and inexcusable

Obviously in a loss like last night there are those who never fail to disappoint. ...hello Brandon, Hampson, Hunt

And then there are those who you expect more from and they let you down. And when one of them is your best player (hello Rance) then it makes it all the more gut wrenching. That play that Cotchin originally set up by going backwards to Rance who then inexcusably went 40 metres sideways with a high kick to Vlastuin was so costly... not to mention stupid

As for our Captain, people can make excuses, point to the 38 touches he had but missing set shots 30 metres out is his Achilles heel and team deflated. It hurts.

Actually the 2nd quarter of missing sitters helped in the Pies win, half time should have been 5 goals up and game just about over. Then again based on the last 3 minutes probably not

Oh well

We lost what we shouldn't have and now we face the consequences of our stupidity and ineptitude

Thanks Tigers


Good post WP and I know you're not a fan of Brandon but he was one of our best last night. We need a new lock down defender who can play on small forwards :banghead

My issue with Brandon last night was on a couple of occasions he again ever so sliightly pulled out of contests. They were costly and it is a terrible, terrible look
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #199 on: April 02, 2016, 09:08:54 AM »
Very angry. A game we should have won but then again we brought in Hunt. Grigg and Hampson maintained his spot. In last two minutes did not play smart football. If Maric was playing he would not have allowed Grundy to be at the back unguarded. This was a very painful loss which will have ramifications later in the season. Someone in the leadership group should have stood up. This side needs Lids back badly.

Excellent post

Still peeved. Outside of the result there were a number, berries of huge disappointments

 extremely disappointed with C Ellis, did he touch the ball? I'm a huge rap for this kid but last night he was poor. He looks terrible slow and dare I say it unfit.

Biggest disappointment for me was Griffiths. I've defended this bloke a lot because I understood what his role is and what he is supposed to be doing. But last night he gave nothing, that dropped in the last was costly and inexcusable

Obviously in a loss like last night there are those who never fail to disappoint. ...hello Brandon, Hampson, Hunt

And then there are those who you expect more from and they let you down. And when one of them is your best player (hello Rance) then it makes it all the more gut wrenching. That play that Cotchin originally set up by going backwards to Rance who then inexcusably went 40 metres sideways with a high kick to Vlastuin was so costly... not to mention stupid

As for our Captain, people can make excuses, point to the 38 touches he had but missing set shots 30 metres out is his Achilles heel and team deflated. It hurts.

Actually the 2nd quarter of missing sitters helped in the Pies win, half time should have been 5 goals up and game just about over. Then again based on the last 3 minutes probably not

Oh well

We lost what we shouldn't have and now we face the consequences of our stupidity and ineptitude

Thanks Tigers
Disagree with some of that.
C. Ellis has played about 8 games of senior footy. He is playing a roll/position he would have never played in before at junior level. He is a player that is never going to look manic so if you are expecting that you will be disappointed for a long time. Kids like C. Ellis need time and support. I admit he needs to get involved more but there is more to consider when marking this kid.

I also thought B. Ellis did ok and for me to say that is a big deal.

The Rance kick was to T. Hunt not Valustin. Hunt poo himself and dropped a mark an AFL player should have taken and then couldn't even get the ball over the line for a throw in. Blaming Cotch two kicks before is a stretch. 

Cotch definitely should have slotted those 2 goals in the second quarter but overall he played well IMO. He is not in his 2012 form and he knows that but he gives his all and did so again last night. His job will be a hell of a lot easier when players like Hunt, Grigg, Ellis, Hampson, GRIFF, are out of the side. All those players are soft and couldn't give a poo about putting their bodies on the line for our club. Our stars can only do so much, the rest of these arseholes need to contribute.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #200 on: April 02, 2016, 09:15:53 AM »
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #201 on: April 02, 2016, 09:39:42 AM »
Very angry. A game we should have won but then again we brought in Hunt. Grigg and Hampson maintained his spot. In last two minutes did not play smart football. If Maric was playing he would not have allowed Grundy to be at the back unguarded. This was a very painful loss which will have ramifications later in the season. Someone in the leadership group should have stood up. This side needs Lids back badly.

Excellent post

Still peeved. Outside of the result there were a number, berries of huge disappointments

 extremely disappointed with C Ellis, did he touch the ball? I'm a huge rap for this kid but last night he was poor. He looks terrible slow and dare I say it unfit.

Biggest disappointment for me was Griffiths. I've defended this bloke a lot because I understood what his role is and what he is supposed to be doing. But last night he gave nothing, that dropped in the last was costly and inexcusable

Obviously in a loss like last night there are those who never fail to disappoint. ...hello Brandon, Hampson, Hunt

And then there are those who you expect more from and they let you down. And when one of them is your best player (hello Rance) then it makes it all the more gut wrenching. That play that Cotchin originally set up by going backwards to Rance who then inexcusably went 40 metres sideways with a high kick to Vlastuin was so costly... not to mention stupid

As for our Captain, people can make excuses, point to the 38 touches he had but missing set shots 30 metres out is his Achilles heel and team deflated. It hurts.

Actually the 2nd quarter of missing sitters helped in the Pies win, half time should have been 5 goals up and game just about over. Then again based on the last 3 minutes probably not

Oh well

We lost what we shouldn't have and now we face the consequences of our stupidity and ineptitude

Thanks Tigers
Disagree with some of that.
C. Ellis has played about 8 games of senior footy. He is playing a roll/position he would have never played in before at junior level. He is a player that is never going to look manic so if you are expecting that you will be disappointed for a long time. Kids like C. Ellis need time and support. I admit he needs to get involved more but there is more to consider when marking this kid.

I also thought B. Ellis did ok and for me to say that is a big deal.

The Rance kick was to T. Hunt not Valustin. Hunt poo himself and dropped a mark an AFL player should have taken and then couldn't even get the ball over the line for a throw in. Blaming Cotch two kicks before is a stretch. 

Cotch definitely should have slotted those 2 goals in the second quarter but overall he played well IMO. He is not in his 2012 form and he knows that but he gives his all and did so again last night. His job will be a hell of a lot easier when players like Hunt, Grigg, Ellis, Hampson, GRIFF, are out of the side. All those players are soft and couldn't give a poo about putting their bodies on the line for our club. Our stars can only do so much, the rest of these behindholes need to contribute.


Hunt needed to run back to the goals to give himself and Rance the opportunity to hit the target whilst giving him (Hunt) and uncontested mark. Standing still waiting for the ball to arrive only gives the pies player time to spoil.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #202 on: April 02, 2016, 09:42:34 AM »
We had 19 marks inside 50 for 12 goals.
Port had 13 marks for 20 goals last weej
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #203 on: April 02, 2016, 09:47:53 AM »
It all started because in usual Tigers fashion we tried to protect a lead rather than taking advantage of the domination we had of the Pies of that point in the game. Once we got to 16 points up we basically slowed the game down which is exactly what the Pies wanted. Again its so obvious what we did wrong but not sure if its the players under instructions from the coach or its just a natural thing to do. At 10 minutes to go and 16 points up its not the time to be playing safe, I hate to lay blame but Cotch is one of the main offenders here, his short passing is almost as bad as Hamspuds shooting for goal (Cotch's goalkicking is about the same) and a number of times last night he put teammates under pressure with loopy handballs and chippy kicks. Instead of kicking down the line Cotch goes backwards too often at the wrong times and I cringed on occasions last night because you could clearly see what was going to unfold.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #204 on: April 02, 2016, 09:58:54 AM »
Sadly, Cotchin is part of the problem. He is a good player who tries, but he's far from elite and he's not a leader's behind hole.

He looked sacred to take that set shot. Don't tell me that is captain material.


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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #205 on: April 02, 2016, 10:27:04 AM »
I am the same. Last night confirmed to me that I am not likely to see another flag.

Grimes was a big loss. This side has major problems and I hope I am badly wrong but this side does not look like it is capable of winning a premiership.
No it's not. What scares me though is that it goes beyond the current coaching group and players. It's our culture and after many attempts at changing it, it's still the same and will be for quite some time.

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #206 on: April 02, 2016, 11:22:34 AM »
Sadly, Cotchin is part of the problem. He is a good player who tries, but he's far from elite and he's not a leader's behind hole.

He looked sacred to take that set shot. Don't tell me that is captain material.
What ever happened to the Cotchin circa 2012?

Aren't you supposed to get better as you approach 25 to 26 years of age?

He has gone backward so much. I can't even imagine Hardwick telling him to do dinky 20m kicks and not to take the game on.

Tigeritis has certainly attacked him and there looks like there is no cure.... :'(
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #207 on: April 02, 2016, 12:33:10 PM »
What kind of  professional footballers have the ball on the forward side of the wing & then go backwards 80 metres to goal & turn it over & give them a goal when other so called professionals are free.

Seriously last night l seen a bunch of flogs out there making the dumbest decisions. That is the most ugly football l seen apart from those ugly magpie supporters there.
 
Rance makes some of the dumbest decisions at time. McIntosh another dummy but trys. Griffiths would try to take a mark over his Grandma,  :snidegrin Just a bad night which adds to all the others. Been in the system for so long now we are waiting for his one huge game before his career ends from stupidity.  :snidegrin

Both teams were absolutely pathetic. No supporter of RFC would have been happy up to 1/2 time. Those toothless magpie mongs would have been & would believe they were watching something special apart from themselves.

Hunt is the dumbest & most gutless player in the AFL  :banghead to pull out of a contest l could have got up & left after seeing that. "But Dusty was playing"  :snidegrin
Hunt is the type of player who is super slow & would try to spin out of a contest surrounded by 3 opposition players with their arms out waiting to wrap the mummy boy up.. It will never work dumb dumb. He tackles players trying to force them to the ground but there is only one problem, The opposition player didn't even have hold of the ball. The umpires so dumb at times let it go  :rollin

Now injuries have depleted our club & even so more last night. So l'm going to keep my head out of the sand. Grimes, Griggs, Hampson, Townsend all injured before 1/2 time & several others in the 2nd half including Short. We were 1 player down at 1/4 time. Our players clearly fatigued in the last half & run out of puff but that game was lost by fogged minds. Them Buckley Maggots are pathetic & we will cop the flak from the football media & so called experts like David King, Terry Wallace.  :snidegrin

Anyway the  good side Houli  played another great game, So much run & carry but sometimes players are waiting to give it off to him which slows the play down, Others must be prepared to run more & take on the run & carry roll for that style of game to flow properly or the opposition can make ground. Sometimes they just need to stop, think & make better decisions. McIntosh must make better decisions. Brandon Ellis needs to lift more & Hunt needs to go live in the VFL.  :scream

Dustin Martin is one of the best footballers l have ever seen. :bow The run & guts that lad has. Another year of being mentored & he will win a Brownlow medal he is that good. That lad stands up to anyone & roughs them up. That is why l go to watch games with players like him.

Short, Lloyd, Lambert, Miles, Cory Ellis all played well & Cotchin l thought was good & even done a dusty  ;D Our side is young & there are some good signs for our future.

l will make one thing clear & that Collingwood were made look good from our costly turnovers last night. They are clearly a crap side who make even more dumber decisions. It was only our injuries & critical turnovers that got them over the line. Infact l would hate to see a overall tally of the turnovers from this ugly game Where is our stats guy  :snidegrin

Dustin Martin  :clapping you great warrior  :gotigers

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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #208 on: April 02, 2016, 03:15:48 PM »
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Disagree with some of that.
C. Ellis has played about 8 games of senior footy. He is playing a roll/position he would have never played in before at junior level. He is a player that is never going to look manic so if you are expecting that you will be disappointed for a long time. Kids like C. Ellis need time and support. I admit he needs to get involved more but there is more to consider when marking this kid.

I also thought B. Ellis did ok and for me to say that is a big deal.

The Rance kick was to T. Hunt not Valustin. Hunt poo himself and dropped a mark an AFL player should have taken and then couldn't even get the ball over the line for a throw in. Blaming Cotch two kicks before is a stretch. 

Cotch definitely should have slotted those 2 goals in the second quarter but overall he played well IMO. He is not in his 2012 form and he knows that but he gives his all and did so again last night. His job will be a hell of a lot easier when players like Hunt, Grigg, Ellis, Hampson, GRIFF, are out of the side. All those players are soft and couldn't give a poo about putting their bodies on the line for our club. Our stars can only do so much, the rest of these behindholes need to contribute.

Get your point about C Ellis and I understand he's only played 8 games  I'd also love to just keep playing to give give him game time.

But right now he is playing with no confidence. He didn't touch the ball in the 1st or 3rd quarters. For reasons I will admit I don't understand he seems to be staying back and not wanting to get involved. He's not presenting an option for run & carry.

 The kid is an elite kick and he doesn't seem to want to kick it long. Is it instruction? Maybe, but right now I'd rather see him run around in the VFL for a few weeks and touch it 30 times than have him not get near it at AFL level and see him look lost out there. 
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Re: Richmond vs Collingwood - Round 2, 2016
« Reply #209 on: April 02, 2016, 04:36:14 PM »
Supercoach 7 of 9 saw that young Corey clearly had too much natural flair & talent and backed himself ....he likes to coach those sort mug lair tendencies out of players...
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