Author Topic: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)  (Read 2774 times)

Offline one-eyed

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 98251
    • One-Eyed Richmond
Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick, writes Jake Niall

Jake Niall
Foxsports
19 April 2016


IN the post-season of 2015 and again a few weeks ago, the question was posed of whether Adam Treloar had made the right call in picking Collingwood over Richmond — a question that can only be answered, like Chris Judd’s choice of Carlton over Collingwood, several years after the fateful decision.

Today, the comparison between these fiercely tribal clubs is not about who’s faring better, but which is worse. They are, despite Port Adelaide’s struggles, the most disappointing teams of the opening four rounds.

Then there’s the related situations of the coaches, Nathan Buckley and Damien Hardwick, who both received contract extensions just before the season.

As it stands today — and it can change quickly — Buckley deserves to be scrutinised more heavily than Hardwick and appears to be deeper in quicksand.

That said, the regime at Collingwood also is heavily invested in Buckley and that will probably buy him more time than a coach in his position would otherwise be afforded.

To sack Buckley would rebound on the Eddie McGuire administration which installed him in the contentious succession scheme. Alternatively, no coach survives for long when there is vast gap between expectation and performance.

Hardwick’s position is bolstered somewhat by the additional year he received in his contract extension and the fact that, unlike Bucks, he inherited a terrible team and brought steady incremental progress, culminating in three (highly unsuccessful) finals appearances.

Richmond’s failures are largely about personnel and the lengthy tail end on its playing list, though there may also be deficits in game style. Collingwood’s woes are due to a mixture of personnel, system and on-field leadership.

Hardwick’s game style in 2015 — which involved playing slower, with more deliberation than most teams — helped the Tigers to win 15 games with a squad that lacks in the following: ruck, strong midfield bodies, class behind the ball, small forwards and overall depth.

But if Hardwick did well to make finals three years on the trot with his squad, the game style hasn’t held up in September.

What is happening to Richmond is redolent of 2014; then, as now, Brett Deledio was injured for a stretch (along with Alex Rance) and without him there’s been a dramatic decline. In terms of leadership, Trent Cotchin has been unfairly scapegoated, when the real problem is the absence of support for the skipper.

No club relies more heavily on half a dozen or so players than the Tigers, who’ve been over-dependent, too, upon the productivity of top 20 draft picks; there is nary a second, third round, late pick or rookie lister at Tigerland — excepting Shane Edwards in 2006 — who’ve been major successes.

The top players — Deledio, Cotchin, Rance (pick 18), Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt — were all early selections.

In the tale of two teams, the Tigers have more medium term list problems, because they don’t have an obvious Darcy Moore or Treloar; conversely, not landing Treloar means they DID retain first round picks last year and in 2016 — when their choice, and Collingwood’s, look like being earlier than both clubs counted on.

It is never easy to measure how much of a team’s performance is attributable to personnel and what share can be allotted to coaching. In Buckley’s case, one seems to be compounding the other: the Pies don’t kick the ball well (personnel), which creates pressure on their ability to execute their revised game style.

In defensive positioning, there’s been an almost total breakdown — for which the coaches must carry the can.

In contrast to Hardwick, Buckley has made some tough calls on players, in the hope of regenerating and expediting a mid-table rebuild; alas, some picks haven’t panned out — the loss/injuries to Matthew Scharenberg and Nathan Freeman from top 10 picks have been calamitous — and the mature replacements (eg Jesse White) haven’t measured up.

Specifically, Collingwood a) doesn’t kick well, b) has long relied excessively on contested ball and defensive pressure and c) in seeking to improve ball movement — the goal of most clubs — have lost defensive bearings. The Pies seem to lack balance — if they improve in the contest (St Kilda), they lose defensive pressure. When tackling pressure is up (Melbourne), the contested ball drops off (fatally, early v Demons).

It is noteworthy that Collingwood has not picked up any assistant coach with Hawthorn’s intellectual property, the Hawks having lent their IP to the Bulldogs, West Coast, the Giants and now Carlton. The Demons, meanwhile, have indirectly gained a sliver of that IP from Craig Jennings, who crossed from the Dogs this year.

Buckley also has offloaded plenty of players, some of whom — Heath Shaw in particular — were seen as troublesome (full disclosure — Shaw is managed by my brother Ben). While most of these calls were justified and admirably long-term, the Pies largely denuded themselves of maturity in the process.

The Pies, too, lack for on-field leadership. Scott Pendlebury is an echo of Cotchin in that he does not have a stellar supporting cast in his leadership group. Ray McLean’s Leading Teams, successful at Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong, wouldn’t be boasting of its Collingwood association today.

After the loss to Adelaide, Hardwick talked about the possibility that the Tigers might have to take a step back to take two steps forward.

The Pies, as it happens. have attempted something along those lines in their rebuild under Buckley. Alas for Bucks, in stepping down the ladder, they’ve lost balance and stumbled.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/nathan-buckley-under-greater-pressure-than-damien-hardwick-writes-jake-niall/news-story/75b29bc4382cda7b5ec414e1045dbf3f

Offline Stalin

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 8356
  • Close your mouth pls, we are not a codfish
 :sleep
Then he grabbed two chopsticks and stuck them in his mouth , pretending to be a walrus

Offline Chuck17

  • The Shaun Grugg of OER
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 13305
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 10:57:38 AM »
The big FIGJAM gets another two years

May they wallow in mediocrity

Offline YellowandBlackBlood

  • Long suffering….
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 10688
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2017, 11:36:44 AM »
Realistically if it were anyone else they would have been sacked. Unbelievable.
OER. Calling it as it is since 2004.

Offline 🏅Dooks

  • FOOTBALL EXPERT
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 10370
  • 🏆✴✔👍⛉🌟
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2017, 12:29:02 PM »
Realistically if it were anyone else they would have been sacked. Unbelievable.

Yep.
"Sliding doors moment.
If Damian Barrett had a brain
Then its made of sh#t" Dont Argue - 2/8/2018

Online wayne

  • Fame of Hall
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 8464
  • In Absentia
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2017, 12:31:57 PM »
They want to copy the Richmond model®  :shh
And you may not think I care for you
When you know down inside that I really do

dwaino

  • Guest
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2017, 12:38:42 PM »
Eddie's call. Sacking Bucks would mean he has to admit making a mistake about shafting Malthouse. Buckley should coach Collingwood for as long he likes though  8)

Offline Slipper

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 1942
  • For We're From Tigerland
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 06:43:11 PM »
I congratulate Collingwood on the reappointment of Figgy for 2 years. I hope McGuire stays at the helm for the next 20 as well.

Offline Simonator

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 2888
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2017, 10:28:31 AM »
I have strong mail that they looked around for another coach. Wanted experience. Offered the position to Longmire, brad scott and Clarkson. They all obviously turned it down

Offline mat073

  • Perth's biggest tiger tragic.
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4802
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2017, 10:38:19 AM »
Its amazing how often Richmond and Harwick have been mentioned during this whole Collingwood fiasco .
Unleash the tornado

Offline Eat_em_Alive

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4858
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM »
Its amazing how often Richmond and Harwick have been mentioned during this whole Collingwood fiasco .

I agree
The media keep mentioning because we were able to turn it all around that Collingwood will too
The anywhere, anytime Tigers.
E A T  E M  A L I V E  M O F O S

tony_montana

  • Guest
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2017, 10:15:25 PM »
Its amazing how often Richmond and Harwick have been mentioned during this whole Collingwood fiasco .

I agree
The media keep mentioning because we were able to turn it all around that Collingwood will too

Good when the shoe is on the other foot for a change.

Offline cub

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 7359
  • "Tigertime!"
    • bantigertrade
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2017, 10:52:46 PM »
Wgaf
Really

Online Hard Roar Tiger

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 8099
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2017, 07:19:16 AM »
Collingwood are the team I hate the most.
Part historical, part geographic and part because the rest of my family are scum suckers.
Buckley has learnt how to be the Pied Piper from the King of them - Eddie "who ate all the" McPiers
It's all spin and wouldn't happen anywhere else because no one would employ a bully as president after Jack Elliot brought Carlton to their knees 20 years ago. They're still stuffed.
I see the same mentality at Collingwood, may they rot in the urine vinegar that is their culture
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

Offline Tigeritis™©®

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9657
  • Richmond, Premiers 2017.2019.2020
Re: Nathan Buckley under greater pressure than Damien Hardwick (Foxsports)
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2017, 08:29:03 AM »
 :clapping ^
The club that keeps giving.