Western Bulldogs

[big tone]

Having watched another couple of games this weekend (depressing when i see how far off the pace we are) I really have to question our zoning strategy when defending opposition kick outs.

Saw some vision of the Roos today and they seem to play one on one more so than guarding space. I think what makes ours not work is that we also have very poor closing speed.

I assume the idea is to position a player so as to allow enough time to get to your opponent while the ball is in the air rather than being side by side which encourages turnovers. Due to the fact we are so slow it means better skilled sides (most other teams in the competition) are still able to work their way through our zone without too much effort. Maybe we need to revert to simple one on one defence for a while and see how that goes.

If you actually mean being accountable for someone, it's not the "Richmond way"

[Penelope]

Yep that is basically how a zone defense works. each player has a certain space to defend, rather than one player.
It always made me laugh when posters would say that such and such was not manning up.

One of the issues with a zone defense, is that once the opposition find a way through, it creates an overlap. The next player must come to the ball carrier, which creates space for them to deliver to.
It was curious that in Hardwicks early days he would play man on man against the lowly teams in an attempt to get a win, but would persist with the zone defence in games we were expected to lose anyway. It made sense, but it tells you something about the merits of playing man on man defence as well.

Once the players started to implement the zone defence with a degree of competency, teams also worked out we struggled against man on man defence, probably due to not handling the immediate pressure it creates and that our game plan probably revolved the opposition playing zone defence.

[Yeahright]

One of the issues with a zone defense, is that once the opposition find a way through, it creates an overlap. The next player must come to the ball carrier, which creates space for them to deliver to.

Same can happen man on man though. One person gets past their player and suddenly they've got an extra man

[Penelope]

it can, but if the player is manning up correctly he can chase and put pressure from behind, rather than starting 10-15 m behind him, meaning the next bloke doesnt have to leave his man, in theory. with a zone defence, if things go wrong so many players can find themselves in no mans land.

The other problem is that zone defense can make it easier to be unaccountable. Man on man, it highlights when someone is unaccountable

Obviously there no perfect way, or no one would score goals.

Zone defence can shut down teams, particularly teams that are not highly skilled or disciplined, but there is a place for man on man defence, IMO

[taztiger4]

Yep that is basically how a zone defense works. each player has a certain space to defend, rather than one player.
It always made me laugh when posters would say that such and such was not manning up.

One of the issues with a zone defense, is that once the opposition find a way through, it creates an overlap. The next player must come to the ball carrier, which creates space for them to deliver to.
It was curious that in Hardwicks early days he would play man on man against the lowly teams in an attempt to get a win, but would persist with the zone defence in games we were expected to lose anyway. It made sense, but it tells you something about the merits of playing man on man defence as well.

Once the players started to implement the zone defence with a degree of competency, teams also worked out we struggled against man on man defence, probably due to not handling the immediate pressure it creates and that our game plan probably revolved the opposition playing zone defence.

Penelope, can you please say it a little slower for WATs sake 

[dwaino]

In no way trying to defend our own recruiting or question BT's well researched list, but out of curiosity how many of those dogs picks are father/son and post compromised drafts? If I remember correctly they were a competitive side around 2010 coming off the trifecta prelim losses and didn't completely bottom out until either after the gimped drafts or the last year or something. They also had a core of competent and experienced players they could afford to trade, a luxury we didn't have which made it an even worse time for us to hit rock bottom.

Without sounding like I'm making excuses, regardless of the drafts they got their players in they did a better job of their rookie and later draft picks. I don't have a problem with the recruitment model we used through those years or the players we picked up (come at me) but I don't understand why we stuck to that model in subsequent uncompromised drafts.

[Penelope]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

[Yeahright]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

  good point

[Tigeritis™©®]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

  good point

It was a question.

[Francois Jackson]

Wgaf how they did it but they have done it without resorting to monkeyball, and with less money than our club.

To think they lost their captain and are still winning is a credit to them

[Francois Jackson]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

  good point

It was a question.

 

[Penelope]

Rhetorical, go look it up, although it may confuse Danni, as it has both e and i which sound the same to him.

[Yeahright]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

  good point

It was a question.

A good question can also raise a good point

[Diocletian]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

2010:

Trades:    

Andrejs Everitt traded for Patrick Veszpremi and draft pick #91
pick 57 traded for Nathan Djerrkura
End of first round compensation pick traded for Justin Sherman

National Draft:

22  Mitch Wallis (F/S)
41    Tom Liberatore (F/S)
74    Jayden Schofield
88    Zephaniah Skinner
89    Tom Hill
102    Brodie Moles    (Promoted rookie)
110    Andrew Hooper    (Promoted rookie)

Rookie draft:

22    Luke Dahlhaus
39    Jason Johannisen
55    Ed Barlow
70    Mitch Hahn


2011:

Trades:

Josh Hill to West Coast for pick 49
Ben Hudson to Brisbane for pick 70

National Draft:

17    Clay Smith    
39    Michael Talia
49    Daniel Pearce
57    Tory Dickson
70    Luke Dahlhaus    (Rookie promotion)
73    Matthew Panos    (Rookie promotion)


PSD:

11    Fletcher Roberts

Rookie draft:

9    Lin Jong
27    Tom Campbell
45    Alex Greenwood
62    Jack Redpath
76    Mark Austin


2012

Free Agents:

Nick Lower (DFA)

Trades:

Brian Lake & Pick 27 traded to Hawthorn for Picks 21 & 43
Koby Stevens from West Coast for Pick 43
Tom Young from Collingwood for Pick 69

National Draft:

5      Jake Stringer
6      Jackson Macrae (GWS uncontracted player compensation pick - Callan Ward)
21    Nathan Hrovat
49    Lachie Hunter (F/S)
50    Josh Prudden (GWS uncontracted player compensation pick - Sam Reid)
98    Tom Campbell    (Rookie promotion)    
105    Jason Johannisen    (Rookie promotion)

Rookie draft:

4    Brett Goodes


2013:

Free Agents: Nil


Trades:

Stewart Crameri from Essendon for Pick 26
Sam Darley from GWS for Pick 78


National Draft:

4    Marcus Bontempelli    
42    Matt Fuller
60    Mitch Honeychurch
84    Brett Goodes (Promoted Rookie)


Rookies: Nil


2014:

Free Agency: Nil


Trades:

Ryan Griffen & Pick 6 traded for Tom Boyd
Adam Cooney traded for Pick 37
Liam Jones traded for Pick 46

National Draft:

26    Toby McLean
27    Lukas Webb (Free agency compensation pick fro Shaun Higgins)
39    Declan Hamilton (Pick traded from Sydney; Free agency compensation pick for Nick Malceski)
45    Bailey Dale    
46    Caleb Daniel (Pick traded by Carlton)
62    Zaine Cordy (F/S)
Lin Jong  (Promoted Rookie)
Jack Redpath (promoted Rookie)


Rookie Draft:

5    Roarke Smith
23    Jordan Kelly
40    Daniel Pearce
57    Brett Goodes

2015:

Free Agents:

Matt Suckling


Trades:

2016 4th round pick traded for Michael Talia & Pick 69

National Draft:

25    Josh Dunkley (Pick traded from Carlton; father-son eligible, but Sydney did not match bid.)
26    Kieran Collins (Pick taded from Carlton; received from Brisbane Lions.)
35    Marcus Adams
48    Bailey Williams


Rookie Draft:

11    Bradley Lynch
29    Luke Goetz
46    Jed Adcock

[Loui Tufga]

with so many rookies making a part of their team, they must of stuffed up a fair few early picks?

2010:

Trades:    

Andrejs Everitt traded for Patrick Veszpremi and draft pick #91
pick 57 traded for Nathan Djerrkura
End of first round compensation pick traded for Justin Sherman

National Draft:

22  Mitch Wallis (F/S)
41    Tom Liberatore (F/S)
74    Jayden Schofield
88    Zephaniah Skinner
89    Tom Hill
102    Brodie Moles    (Promoted rookie)
110    Andrew Hooper    (Promoted rookie)

Rookie draft:

22    Luke Dahlhaus
39    Jason Johannisen
55    Ed Barlow
70    Mitch Hahn


2011:

Trades:

Josh Hill to West Coast for pick 49
Ben Hudson to Brisbane for pick 70

National Draft:

17    Clay Smith    
39    Michael Talia
49    Daniel Pearce
57    Tory Dickson
70    Luke Dahlhaus    (Rookie promotion)
73    Matthew Panos    (Rookie promotion)


PSD:

11    Fletcher Roberts

Rookie draft:

9    Lin Jong
27    Tom Campbell
45    Alex Greenwood
62    Jack Redpath
76    Mark Austin


2012

Free Agents:

Nick Lower (DFA)

Trades:

Brian Lake & Pick 27 traded to Hawthorn for Picks 21 & 43
Koby Stevens from West Coast for Pick 43
Tom Young from Collingwood for Pick 69

National Draft:

5      Jake Stringer
6      Jackson Macrae (GWS uncontracted player compensation pick - Callan Ward)
21    Nathan Hrovat
49    Lachie Hunter (F/S)
50    Josh Prudden (GWS uncontracted player compensation pick - Sam Reid)
98    Tom Campbell    (Rookie promotion)    
105    Jason Johannisen    (Rookie promotion)

Rookie draft:

4    Brett Goodes


2013:

Free Agents: Nil


Trades:

Stewart Crameri from Essendon for Pick 26
Sam Darley from GWS for Pick 78


National Draft:

4    Marcus Bontempelli    
42    Matt Fuller
60    Mitch Honeychurch
84    Brett Goodes (Promoted Rookie)


Rookies: Nil


2014:

Free Agency: Nil


Trades:

Ryan Griffen & Pick 6 traded for Tom Boyd
Adam Cooney traded for Pick 37
Liam Jones traded for Pick 46

National Draft:

26    Toby McLean
27    Lukas Webb (Free agency compensation pick fro Shaun Higgins)
39    Declan Hamilton (Pick traded from Sydney; Free agency compensation pick for Nick Malceski)
45    Bailey Dale    
46    Caleb Daniel (Pick traded by Carlton)
62    Zaine Cordy (F/S)
Lin Jong  (Promoted Rookie)
Jack Redpath (promoted Rookie)


Rookie Draft:

5    Roarke Smith
23    Jordan Kelly
40    Daniel Pearce
57    Brett Goodes

2015:

Free Agents:

Matt Suckling


Trades:

2016 4th round pick traded for Michael Talia & Pick 69

National Draft:

25    Josh Dunkley (Pick traded from Carlton; father-son eligible, but Sydney did not match bid.)
26    Kieran Collins (Pick taded from Carlton; received from Brisbane Lions.)
35    Marcus Adams
48    Bailey Williams


Rookie Draft:

11    Bradley Lynch
29    Luke Goetz
46    Jed Adcock

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