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That final centrebounce set up
« on: May 14, 2017, 07:41:19 PM »
Here's the full vision: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-05-14/mundy-sinks-tigers-after-the-siren

Here's some stills of that fateful final centre bounce set up. I though I'd do a breakdown review.



Centre square match-ups:
Nankervis - Sandilands
Cotchin - Blakely
Grigg - Fyfe
Dusty - Neale

Not for the first time, we fail to protect the defensive side of a stoppage with just one Tiger (Cotch) on the defensive of the centre circle.

We have no runners set up on the defensive side of the centre square protecting and moving inside the square to block any bursts out of the centre. Rioli is on one wing by himself but remains out of the play while on the other wing the Tiger player (?) sticks to his direct opponent.

Freo sets up with two players on their defensive side of the centre circle (Neale & Fyfe) and with 3 runners on the HB centre-square line sprinting towards the centre once the ball was bounced (Fig. 2). Neale moves off Dusty by a metre while Grigg/Fyfe & Cotch/Blakely pairing remain within bodily contact.



The ruck contest sees the ball remain within the centre circle confines behind Sandilands. Grigg attempts to reach up and gather/drag down the ball but has Fyfe right on him pressuring him. Sandilands get a hand in and spins himself and the ball around himself to the outside. Dusty gets sucked into towards Sandilands leaving Neale to gather the loose ball freely on the outside of the contest (Fig. 3).



No players protecting the defensive side of the stoppage and centre square allows Neale to run a whole 40m to reach their HF centre square line with no one coming at him (Fig. 4).



The pass then ends up with Mundy on the lead 25m out on a 45 degree angle in front of a trailing Grimes. No other Tigers in front to block the space to lead into. Mundy then kicks the winning goal.

So that's about 4-5 schoolboy errors in one 21 second play  :banghead.
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 07:44:42 PM »
Why did Rioli stand by himself
Amazing actually
Wasn't going to influence anything standing there

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 08:37:07 PM »
Yep, some fan favourites had complete defensive brainfades in that play. Rioli was lining up on the wing for a typical centrebounce rather than finding a man or being defensive side on the square sprinting in to block any breakout runs like Neale's; Dusty also needed to stick to Neale like glue; Nank must have been ballwatching as he was completely out of the play after the initial ruck contest. WP saying in another thread there was no huddle in the middle between the mids to discuss how we would set up would partly explain the shamozzle of schoolboy errors that was to come  :banghead.
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 10:02:16 PM »
Remember Paul Roos lambasting the worst 6 seconds of footy ever a few years back. This has dejavu all over it.  Our players just aren't game aware smart. Some players are instinctive about the stage of the game others are just not aware. I think the problem lies in recruitment. You need smart footballers. Not IQ but footy smarts.

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 11:33:09 PM »
We could analyze this forever.  Fact is we were out played for 3 quarters and that's why we lost .
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 12:15:44 AM »
Watch the replay if you can... Ellis kicks the goal and everyone signals to go behind the ball. Don't accept the rubbish that the on field leaders didn't do their jobs marshalling the troops. This happened clear as day. Even Ellis was instructing guys to get back, whilst others were celebrating.

How many players would you expect back with 20 seconds to go? I'd have every single forward in the defense except maybe 1, that player would have been Jack to come off the square a million miles an hour to effect any mid to go backward to go forward. 2 wings to stay where they are, 3 mids and a ruckman = 7 players. You'd have 11 players behind the ball. Watch the vision we had 9. Is that enough, could argue it is but if you look at the vision we only had 1 spare player which was Rance, the rest were all manned up. Rance was in the right, have to have an extra player in the goal square but absolute criminal we didn't have a spare coming off CHB to effect a midfielder running off. Look at Neale below who ran from the middle of the ground away from Grigg, no1 is able to come at him cause everyone stays on their player. No spare to effect the kick. We had Rioli all on his own on the Wing, should have gone to CHB and filled the space, he is so close to the bench, they should have instructed him. Plus there is a spare Freo player to Neales left who could have easily got a handball and had a shot at goal.

http://imgur.com/rXAxJXs

No spare to fill the hole to stop Mundy leading to a ball that was kicked to space. See below. So point being, 9 players wasn't enough. 1 player should be coming off CHB as a spare player and another should be filling the hole in D50 to not allow any short kick to a mark. Had to force them to go long where Rance could have been effective as the spare player.

http://imgur.com/ItsY9Qd

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 12:18:13 AM »
Why did Rioli stand by himself
Amazing actually
Wasn't going to influence anything standing there

Correct, was there set up before anyone else was ready, why didn't the bench see this and tell him to to get back? 25 metres away from the bench..
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2017, 12:20:01 AM »
We could analyze this forever.  Fact is we were out played for 3 quarters and that's why we lost .

Disagree, the first 3 qtrs were why we were down by 5 goals at 3 qtr time. The reason between winning and losing is the proof in the pudding of the last 22 seconds of the game. The game was there to be won, we did all the hard work but failed to complete the job. That is simply, in black and white why we lost. We spoil Mundy or effect Neale's kick in some way and we simply win.
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2017, 01:16:07 AM »
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2017, 01:19:01 AM »
How pathetic was Houli in his last involvement, if u could call it that.
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The worst 21 seconds in football? How the Tigers lost it. (SEN)
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2017, 03:07:25 AM »
The worst 21 seconds in football? How the Tigers lost it.

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ANALYSIS

Some would say Richmond’s two-point loss to the Fremantle Dockers on Sunday afternoon was typical of a club that have been crippled by mediocrity for over 35 years.

Others would point the finger at the coach, poor officiating at stages or the lack of Tiger organisation.

The fact of the matter is, Richmond were rubbish for three quarters and probably didn’t deserve to win and Damien Hardwick is most certainly not at fault for his team’s self-destruction.

But with 21 seconds to play following what appeared to be Brandon Ellis’ match-winner, the Tigers had the match ‘won’ so expectations naturally pivot.

This is where the onus is on the players and the players alone.

Let’s take a look at how Richmond lost this game, but also how the Dockers made every post a winner to give Mundy his second single-handed slaying of the Tigers after the siren in two years.



21 seconds to go, here is the Richmond setup for the restart. Note, Dustin Martin circled in red manning up the Fremantle sweeper Lachie Neale and quite loose in his checking. Also, there appears to be two Richmond players manning up three Dockers on the back of the square, with Daniel Rioli on his own on the wing.



Martin is drawn to the footy at the bounce, meaning his already loose distance between him and Neale is only further stretched. While the movement does not cost Richmond the game, note the three Dockers who began alongside two Richmond forwards on the back of the square, streaming forward unchecked. Safe to say if Neale did not get the footy, one of those three would have.



This is where the Dockers must be praised, with Aaron Sandilands’ outstanding performance capped off by this shepherd on the loose Martin, allowing Neale a free run at the ball with yards of space in front of him.



Neale storms away as Martin is left on his haunches in the centre square after bearing the brunt of a 122kg wall.

This is where it gets messy…



Without knowing exactly how many Richmond players have remained in the forward half, there appears to be nine Tigers in the defensive 50, all allocated a man and just one loose back, Alex Rance in the goalsquare.

Which means, with four players in the centre square, two on the wings and two off the back of the square, there is only one player unaccounted for, presumably deep inside the Richmond forward line.

One loose back with 20 seconds to go…

You’re dammed if you do and you’re dammed if you don’t here.

The Tigers could have flooded those two wingman and those in the forward 50 behind the ball to take up those spots marked with a white or we are left with what transpired.

If the Tigers did indeed choose to flood the defence, we’re probably left with those three or more Dockers off the back of the square all on their own, who may have still won the footy with the clearance.

Richmond didn’t flood numbers back and the result was a pin-point kick into a pocket of space for David Mundy to run onto the footy. Hardly defendable in that situation unless there are numbers back to support.

Rance is guarding the goalsquare for the typical panic long bomb in the dying stages, only Neale’s class and temperament effectively made Rance’s starting position redundant.

As an ‘armchair expert’ you like to think you know more than the players. The fact is, most teams in that situation would pride themselves and practice on winning the ball at the source, the centre-clearance.

The simple fact is the Tigers were brushed aside with relative ease and while flooding numbers back behind the ball is the obvious plan of attack, the craft of Neale and co. proved that once again, footy is no obvious game.

The Tigers are now the pride owners of both the worst 21 second and 25 seconds (Karmichael Hunt - Gold Coast - 2012) of football in AFL history.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/14/the-worst-21-seconds-in-football-how-the-tigers-lost-it/

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2017, 07:01:49 AM »
Watch the replay if you can... Ellis kicks the goal and everyone signals to go behind the ball. Don't accept the rubbish that the on field leaders didn't do their jobs marshalling the troops. This happened clear as day. Even Ellis was instructing guys to get back, whilst others were celebrating.



Not disputing the arm flapping straight after the goal to get people to go back but there was no really discussion in the middle before the final bounce by the mids and that's unforgivable
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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2017, 07:04:42 AM »
We had 3 players in the forward half, 2 on the wings, 4 in the middle and 9 in the back half. Fro had 5 in the back, 1 on a wing, 4 in the middle and 8 in the forward half.

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2017, 07:34:55 AM »
If I hear one more fool saying that we didn't deserve to win I'll spew up! In competitive sport we have a mechanism that determines this, it is called a 'score'. We were in front with effectively 19 secs to go, counting for the bounce and ruck contact. All we had to do was force 1 stoppage.... let that sink in - 1 stoppage. We had 4 opportunities to affect the outcome: 1/ positive tap - clearance or stoppage 2/ pressure/tackle if tap lost - stoppage 3/ pressure the ball carrier (all directions) causing the player to bomb long 4/ backline possession/clearance/stoppage/point.

The setup was haphazard: coaching/ leadership group issue
Nank, Martin and Grimes outplayed: player issue.

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Re: That final centrebounce set up
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2017, 07:38:53 AM »
I think Dominic was reading MTs expert analysis. Good job MT, send it to the RFC and let them know your available as tactics consultant.  :clapping
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