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That's claim some bulldog players (they named Griffen) were making after the game about us in the third quarter according to 3aw ???. 
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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2006, 03:48:53 PM »
I heard of a fight at Vic Park where a young kid had a go at one overrated senior player.
Good stuff lol  :thumbsup

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 04:12:05 PM »
I heard of a fight at Vic Park where a young kid had a go at one overrated senior player.
Good stuff lol  :thumbsup

But that was deliberate from NC towards KP ;).
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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2006, 04:16:10 PM »
Wasn't the one i'm thinking of - don't know the kids name (they all look the same some of these new ones - too many blondes), but was good to hear someone tell this so and so to get on his bike (wasn't quite what he said  ;))

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2006, 04:39:33 PM »
Wasn't the one i'm thinking of - don't know the kids name (they all look the same some of these new ones - too many blondes), but was good to hear someone tell this so and so to get on his bike (wasn't quite what he said  ;))

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2006, 05:33:33 PM »
I thought it was St. Kilda who were fighting amongst themselves.

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2006, 09:15:57 PM »
I thought it was St. Kilda who were fighting amongst themselves.

I think they meant verbally giving it to each other in our case whereas Ackland shoved Blake out of his face in the Saints' huddle.
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Griffen sledge: 'They gave up' (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2006, 02:21:58 AM »
Griffen sledge: 'They gave up'
By JON RALPH
Herald-Sun
02apr06

BULLDOGS youngster Ryan Griffen has given a dramatic insight into Richmond's mindset on Friday night when he sensationally claimed that they "basically gave up" after half-time.
 
Griffen's backhander is sure to inflame tensions between the clubs, already at loggerheads because of issues surrounding the departures of Terry Wallace and Nathan Brown to Tigerland.

The Bulldogs dominated Richmond, kicking 16 goals to two in the second half, with Griffen revealing the extent of the Tiger capitulation.

"Definitely after half-time I felt they basically gave up," he said. "And they were arguing between each other and they were all loose. They just let us go and we just ran, then we hurt them on the scoreboard.

"That was what 'Rocket' (coach Rodney Eade) was talking about. He said if you put pressure on them they will cough it up and that's what we did. We just went out there and closed the space and they did (cough it up).

"We didn't expect to win by that much. We just went out to play good footy, but to end up winning by 115 points was just a bonus."

Griffen is sure to receive a rap over the knuckles from the club hierarchy for his outburst on SEN Radio.

The comments from the second-year player were more naive than malicious but, with the club desperate to keep a lid on its magnificent start, it is far from ideal timing.

Griffen also let slip how surprised the Bulldogs were that the Tigers' anticipated attack on No. 1 draft pick Adam Cooney did not happen.

"I don't think there was that much (tension), but we obviously got into Nathan (Brown) a little bit," he said.

"With Brian (Harris), when he tackled him, he put his head into the ground.

"But they were meant to come out and target Cooney and they ended up not even doing that. Then we ran over the top of them and they didn't have much to say."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18680948%255E11088,00.html

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2006, 05:20:37 PM »
Disgraceful

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2006, 05:28:16 PM »
He's telling the truth Sharwy.

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Tigers deny infighting (The Age)
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2006, 01:20:52 AM »
Tigers deny infighting, as Eade defends and counsels Griffen
By Caroline Wilson and Rohan Connolly
The Age
April 4, 2006

New Richmond president Gary March last night backed his club captain Kane Johnson and denied young Bulldog Ryan Griffen's allegations that the Tigers were "arguing between each other" during last Friday night's humiliating loss to the Western Bulldogs.

Admitting he was still shell-shocked by the 115-point capitulation, March said the Richmond players were "the most bonded I've seen during four years at the club". "We'd be expecting Kane and the leadership group to be leading from the front on Friday night because they were disappointing the other night and they know that."

While the Tigers have refused to respond to 19-year-old Griffen's stinging criticism that the team "gave up" after half-time in the record loss to the Bulldogs, Johnson assured the Richmond hierarchy that the players had not turned on each other.

The match committee's concern after yesterday's lengthy meeting was the opposite - that the players had not been vocal in a crisis.

March said: "As a footballer, I've been in that embarrassing situation and what you are doing is yelling at your teammates to mind their man, which they obviously hadn't been doing. I would say that the Bulldogs were the ones doing all the talking. They were simply outstanding. They beat us physically and psychologically. They were in our ears after half-time and chatting to the players, rubbing it in. I must say I saw the writing on the wall before half-time.

"What I would say to our supporters is that it is one week. It is an aberration. I certainly don't think our season is over . . . I'd be utterly disappointed if we put in another performance like that this season, let alone this week."

If Nathan Brown's return from a broken leg was one rare positive, another was Brett Deledio's long-term commitment to the club.

Last year's Rising Star has agreed to a new three-year deal which will keep the No. 1 draft pick at Richmond until the end of 2009.

Griffen's comments have not been lost on the playing group, with all players being made aware of the Bulldogs' disdain.

It is believed that Johnson, along with his leadership group of Joel Bowden, Brown, Matthew Richardson and Darren Gaspar, privately addressed the team following coach Terry Wallace's team meeting on Saturday.

March said he had been heartened by the response of some Richmond fans. "It's funny but as they say, it sometimes helps when you are rock bottom as much as when you won a premiership that you galvanise support," he said.

"It's a tough week for everyone involved at Richmond. Even today, a few of us are still shell-shocked."

After St Kilda, Richmond travels to Subiaco and then the Gabba to take on West Coast and the Brisbane Lions, respectively. "We know we can be competitive," March said. "We just didn't come to play last Friday night."

Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade defended Griffen, after he was roundly criticised for having offered Richmond unnecessary motivation next time the teams meet. Eade said yesterday he had reassured Griffen about the comments, the explanation naivety rather than arrogance.

"I didn't go crook at him. It's just an education for him," Eade said. "I just said to him: 'You've just got to learn how to work your words next time.'

"He hasn't had any training or practice at it, and that's something we've got to get better with and help him through that.

"I was more worried about how people are going to perceive him because what he said wasn't meant to come out in that context. It wasn't a malicious thing, just naive."

Eade wasn't concerned by the likelihood of Richmond resurrecting Griffen's comments when the sides meet again in round 18. "I reckon if you need motivation like that to play at this level, you've got some issues," he said.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/04/03/1143916469244.html

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2006, 11:24:05 AM »
He's telling the truth Sharwy.

I didnt mean Griffen's comments were disgraceful, what he was talking about was disgraceful.  I can see how you thought that though.

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Wallace demands Tigers' pride be stung by Griffen (The Age)
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2006, 03:12:26 AM »
Wallace demands Tigers' pride be stung by Griffen
By Chloe Saltau
The Age
April 5, 2006

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace believes his players' already-dented pride was wounded by Bulldog Ryan Griffen's assertion that they had given up during last Friday's 115-point loss.

As the club tries to pull itself together for this week's crucial clash with St Kilda, Wallace said he confronted his players about Griffen's remarks and, while they denied arguing among themselves, he hoped they had been stung by the criticism.

"I wasn't out there so I can't make comments on whether our blokes were arguing with each other. Of course I asked them the question and they didn't believe that was the case, but I wasn't out there so I'm not prepared to delve into his comments," said Wallace, after he put the team through a two-hour session.

"I think every player who plays this game has pride in their performance and when that pride is dented, whether that be by the scoreboard, by comments that are made publicly, whether they are media comments or comments by opposition players, I think that bites. That hurts every player. You haven't got any self-pride if that doesn't hurt you."

Greg Stafford and Trent Knobel both got through training yesterday but neither is certain to return from injury on Friday night. Nathan Brown completed part of the session after pulling up sore from his first "real" match since breaking his leg, but he is on track to play against the Saints, who have an intimidating recent record against the Tigers.

Wallace foreshadowed "two or three" changes to the side thoroughly embarrassed by the Bulldogs. After a Saturday morning post-mortem arranged by football director Greg Miller, Wallace said he expected greater commitment from the players who delivered the worst loss of his coaching career.

"What I expect from our blokes is what I expected from them in round one and I didn't get, and that's full-blooded, absolute committed effort for four quarters no matter what the scoreboard says," Wallace said.

"We don't step away from the fact that we didn't deliver that last Friday night. We need to deliver that. If that gets us a result, great. If that doesn't get us a result, we march on knowing that's the commitment that they gave us and we're closer to getting a result."

Asked whether players had given up, Wallace suggested they might have been affected subconsciously as the Bulldogs slammed on goal after goal.

"Do blokes ever give up? I don't know if anyone consciously ever says that's the case, but I've played in a grand final where by the end of the game I've come away and said, 'Did I put everything in the tank that I possibly could have, because the scoreboard on that given day (showed) your premiership aspirations going down the drain'," he said. "What happens in a round one game when it starts going like that is, there's six months of work and hope and build-up and all of a sudden … bang! It went down the drain. That shouldn't happen and it's not an excuse, it's just probably a fact."

He said supporters were within their rights to question the skills of the players whose untidy kicking was noticeable at Telstra Dome. "Everyone works so hard over such a long period of time, and then you're fielding comments like, 'Have you done any work on your kicking?' Well, of course we've worked on our kicking every day for six months. So that's the sort of thing that's disappointing. I don't blame anyone for asking because if I was watching I would have asked the same question."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/04/04/1143916526120.html

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Wallace agreed with Ryan Griffen
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2006, 05:01:28 AM »
From the Gas article in The Age:
Michael Gleeson
August 2, 2006

When the Western Bulldogs humiliated Richmond by 115 points in round one, Ryan Griffen, honestly but perhaps naively, suggested the Richmond players gave up. He was right, but was condemned for saying so.

Wallace said yesterday he agreed with Griffen but admitted the players would probably remember the comment with some bitterness.

"What I made of him then was, 'Leave him alone, he is a kid and he was right, he was telling the truth'. So I didn't have too much issue with it. Will we be using it again? No we won't. Do the players remember it? Yes they do. You only have to go back seven days and you could have been saying exactly the same thing."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/01/1154198139904.html

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Re: Tigers arguing between themselves on field? / Tigers "gave up"
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2006, 06:30:05 AM »
one can only blame senior players for doing this.