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Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« on: September 04, 2019, 05:03:13 PM »
Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions?

Mark Robinson,
Herald Sun
4 September 2019


You don’t want to be leaving one on the table. And we’re looking at you, Richmond.

Arguably the best-performed team for the past three years, the Tigers have only one premiership to show for it.

They won to enormous acclaim and celebration in 2017, got belted in the preliminary final by Collingwood in 2018, and enter September 2019, not as the raging favourite, but certainly the team to beat.

Put it this way, the premiership winner will have to beat Richmond at the MCG.

Another failure for the Tigers and history will record them as chokers at worst and underperformers at best, if history wants to be kind.

Richmond wouldn’t be the first team to have dominated an era and be left unfulfilled.

Essendon in 1999-2001 was the team to beat and it has only the 2000 flag to show for it. Unquestionably, 1999 was left on the table. North Melbourne in 1996-1998 was ruthlessly superior and has only the ‘96 flag on the wall.

The Kangaroos won in 1999 because Essendon fluffed it, but it’s the 1998 premiership that they still believe got away.

At the recent reunion of the ’99 triumph, then-captain Wayne Carey and then-coach Denis Pagan spoke of the frustration of underachieving.

“Failure stays with you longer than success does,” Carey said.

“I think about ’98 more than I do any other game. We fell at least one short. In ’97, we had reasons, we had a lot of injuries and suspensions as well at the wrong time.

“I think ’96, ’97, ’98, we were the best team in the comp and we won one premiership.”

Pagan looked further back, to 1994, when Carey kicked six and Gary Ablett kicked the winning goal after the siren.

“1994 was the year,” Pagan said.

“I was confident we would’ve beaten West Coast in the final … (but) it wasn’t to be.

“In ’95, Carlton were far superior, in ’96 we won it, but ’98 is the one that sticks with you. We were the best side, but the best side doesn’t win it, the best side on the day does and Adelaide was. We wasted a golden opportunity.”

Carey added: “It’s a premiership which got away.”

When Carlton people talk of the disappointment of 1980, it’s difficult to feel sorry for them. They won in 1979, ’81 and ’82, but kick themselves about 1980 — a famous four-in-a-row was beckoning, but it didn’t materialise.

After finishing on top of the ladder at the end of the 1980 home and away season, the Blues exited September in straight sets.

“We went bang, bang,” Carlton great Mark Maclure said.

“We ran out of juice. We could’ve won four in a row, but it’s easy to say ‘could’ve, should’ve’, but we just had a bad run of injuries.”

No doubt Carlton left that premiership on the table.

St Kilda would say the same about 2009-10 and Geelong in 2008.

Sydney played 19 finals series in 22 years for two premierships and four lost Grand Finals. The Swans should be congratulated for their longevity, but they would reckon another flag or two was left on the table.

The Tigers are a very good team, but not a great team, yet. They need a second flag before anyone starts beating their chests about greatness.

Greatness is the Brisbane Lions at the start of the century and Hawthorn during its three-peat.

Look at Brisbane’s numbers. In 2001, it finished with a 20-5 win-loss record, the same in 2002 and 17-1-8 in 2003. That’s a 57-18 win-loss record and a draw across three seasons and they won three consecutive premierships.

Hawthorn was 22-3 in 2013, 20-5 in 2014 and 19-7 in 2015.

That’s a 61-15 record and the Hawks won three flags.

Look at Richmond’s record. It finished 18-7 in 2017, 19-5 in 2018 and 16-6 in 2019. That’s a 53-18 win-loss record in three seasons for one flag.

Of course, the Tigers aren’t the only team with a narrative next to their name. Pressure abounds on all finalists, not least Geelong and Chris Scott.

On top of the ladder all year, save for one week to the Lions, and the Cats enter September with an unflattering recent finals record. A straight-sets exit would be totally unacceptable.

Same for Collingwood, which, if it lost to the Cats, would play the winner of West Coast and Essendon.

Brisbane is the fairytale, Essendon is the underdog, GWS is anyone’s guess and West Coast, as the reigning premier, needs to do it from fifth position. If that can be achieved, they leapfrog the Tigers as the best performed team since the Hawks.

What a performance that would be — home, MCG, MCG, MCG and back-to-back premierships.

And then there’s the Dogs. They couldn’t could they? Evidently, we can’t rule them out from seventh.

Enjoy the finals.

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2019, 05:46:14 PM »
What will be will be. If we are good enough we will do it if not then that will be ok too. Our players have played with courage and in the face of adversity they have made me proud this season. I applaud them for everything they have given us during 2019. I wish them all thd success in the world but even if they come up short we can be proud of our playing group. They have been brilliant coming up with all the injuries we have had to our key players.

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2019, 06:05:07 PM »
Window will still be open for at lest a couple of years yet..... longer with smart list  management...#inbalmeywetrust :shh
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2019, 06:07:00 PM »
choke on this blobbo
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2019, 06:56:25 PM »
By gees, what an absolute genius!  Make a list of every runner-up for 20 years (or more) & then accuse them of under-achieving!  Brilliant journalism!     
Then he goes on to conclude, "Ooh, you don't want to lose a grand final!" 
Thanks Blobbo ...     ::)
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 10:02:15 AM »
He is just another example of some slob who fell arse over flabby man tit backwards into his dream job of dribbling some yobbo wisdoms for a penny.
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2019, 11:22:14 AM »
He does it well though

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2019, 11:35:14 AM »
I still think 2017 was more like Hawthorns 2008.They went backwards 09 10 to take a giant step fwds from 2012 onwards playing in 4 g/fs.

While we have stayed up in top 4 contention, i believe like Hawthorn to be totally dominant we have several pieces that need to be improved upon.
Lots of teams are all in and around the same mark and you need things more than ever to go your way to win one.

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2019, 09:55:36 PM »
I always felt we were more like west coast in the early 00s. They finished bottom 4 of top 8 a few times before hitting their prime in 05-07. They’re unlucky to win only one premiership in those 3 years . Which is why I think Richmond need to go all in while we still have Riewoldt Rance Cotchin and Martin in their prime.

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2019, 10:21:06 PM »
Wasn't there some freakish graphic on one of the footy panel shows that showed we were/are mimicking Geelong a decade ago.

Geelong                                  Richmond
2004-5 lost winnable finals      2013-15  lost winnable finals
2006    had a shocker             2016       had a shocker
2007    won the flag                2017      won the flag
2008    the one that got away  2018      the one that got away
2009    won the flag                2019       ?
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2019, 10:26:07 PM »
 :shh

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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2019, 10:29:36 PM »
Hopefully the loss in the Prelim last year still burns and we come out in this finals series from the first bounce as the hunters wanting payback.
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Re: Robbo: Will Tigers be chokers or champions? ... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2019, 06:22:36 AM »
Hopefully the loss in the Prelim last year still burns and we come out in this finals series from the first bounce as the hunters wanting payback.

I feel like we will be hunted tbh
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