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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2020, 03:05:10 AM »
AFL Power Rankings after Rd 3

June 23, 2020
Max Laughton
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And then there was one.

Just two weeks ago, most experts agreed there were four top flag contenders: Collingwood, Richmond, GWS and West Coast.

Only one of that quartet remains unbeaten - in fact, they have a combined record of one win, two draws and five losses since the season restart; the Magpies recording the only victory.

1. COLLINGWOOD (2-0-1, 189.7%) ...... Previous rank: 2

2. RICHMOND (1-1-1, 99.5%) .... Previous rank: 1

The Tigers didn’t look much like themselves in Thursday night’s loss to Hawthorn. So why are they still second?

For a start, it was their first loss in over a year, so we’re not going to give up on them straight away. But more to the point - it wasn’t quite as bad as it looked.

Since the season restart, Richmond's first quarters have been awful, losing them by a combined 56 points. But they’ve been the better team across the other six quarters, winning the contested possessions (+12), inside 50s (+29) and scoreboard (+24 points) among other key stats.

Their problem has been converting territory into scores - on Champion Data’s expected score metric, they should’ve won those quarters by a combined 42 points.

Funnily enough Carlton is having the exact same problem; a few horrible quarters but mostly really good ones. It’s just that the Blues did enough to squeak out a win over their last fortnight, while the Tigers haven’t.

3. BRISBANE LIONS (2-1, 106.9%) ..... Previous rank: 7
4. PORT ADELAIDE (3-0, 243.8%) ....... Previous rank: 4
5. GEELONG CATS (1-2, 111.7%) ......... Previous rank: 3
6. HAWTHORN (2-1, 99.5%) ................ Previous rank: 9
7. NORTH MELBOURNE (2-1, 105.9%) .... Previous rank: 8
8. GWS GIANTS (1-2, 94.3%) ............... Previous rank: 6
9. WEST COAST EAGLES (1-2, 78.1%) .... Previous rank: 5
10. ESSENDON (2-0, 109.2%) ................ Previous rank: 10

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/latest-afl-power-rankings-round-4-2020/news-story/f9b8b2365aeb97a9b43f63efbab2b666

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #91 on: July 05, 2020, 10:36:08 PM »
Close season. Just one win separates 3rd to 15th. We're currently 11th.


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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #92 on: July 06, 2020, 01:58:22 PM »
TAB ODDS

2020 AFL Premiership

$6           Brisbane Lions                                   $9 before Round 5

                GWS                                                      $7 before Round 5

$8           Collingwood                                       $5.50 before Round 5

                Richmond                                            $8 before Round 5

$9           West Coast                                         $13 before Round 5

$10         Port Adelaide                                    $7 before Round 5

$12         Geelong                                               $12 before Round 5

$15         Western Bulldogs                             $17 before Round 5

$17         Hawthorn                                            $13 before Round 5

$21         St Kilda                                                 $26 before Round 5

$26         Essendon                                            $41 before Round 5

$67         Gold Coast                                          $51 before Round 5

                Melbourne                                         $41 before Round 5

                North Melbourne                            $51 before Round 5

$81         Carlton                                                 $51 before Round 5

$101       Sydney                                                 $81 before Round 5

$201       Fremantle                                           $251 before Round 5

$501       Adelaide                                              $501 before Round 5

https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/2020-afl-premiership-betting-and-odds-update-ahead-of-round-6/534868

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #93 on: July 13, 2020, 05:00:24 AM »
Thanks to the Dogs losing, we're up to sixth.


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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2020, 03:15:00 PM »
TAB ODDS:

2020 AFL Premiership

$7           Collingwood                                       $8 before Round 6

                GWS                                                      $6 before Round 6

                West Coast                                         $9 before Round 6

$8           Port Adelaide                                    $10 before Round 6

                Richmond                                            $8 before Round 6

$9           Brisbane Lions                                   $6 before Round 6

$10         Geelong                                               $12 before Round 6

$17         Essendon                                            $26 before Round 6

$21         Western Bulldogs                             $15 before Round 6

$26         St Kilda                                                 $21 before Round 6

$34         Hawthorn                                            $17 before Round 6

$41         Carlton                                                 $81 before Round 6

$51         Melbourne                                         $67 before Round 6

$81         Gold Coast                                          $67 before Round 6

$101       North Melbourne                            $67 before Round 6

$151       Fremantle                                           $201 before Round 6

                Sydney                                                 $101 before Round 6

$501       Adelaide                                              $501 before Round 6

https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/2020-afl-premiership-odds-reshuffled-after-round-6/535854

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2020, 11:30:19 PM »
Lloyd & Cornes (who wrote us off a month ago) both have us  as one of the sides that they think can still win the premiership. 

Lloyd:
Eagles, Bris, Port, Rich.

Cornes:
Eagles, Bris, Port, Rich, Coll, GWS, Dogs, Melb.

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2020, 08:04:58 PM »
Lol Cornes. Waits until pretty much half way through the season then names basically the top 8 at contenders.

What a stuffing stuffwit.

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2020, 05:09:08 AM »
Up to 5th :thumbsup

Port 28
Bris 28
StK 24
WCE 24
Rich 22
Geel 20
GWS 20
WB 20
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Ess 20
Coll 18

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2020, 05:47:06 AM »
Whateley and Cornes rank their top four seeds after Round 9

By SEN
3 August 2020


Whateley
1. West Coast
2. Brisbane
3. Port Adelaide
4. Geelong

Cornes
1. West Coast
2. Brisbane
3. Port Adelaide
4. Richmond

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/03/whateley-and-cornes-rank-their-top-four-seeds-after-round-9/

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2020, 02:29:00 PM »
Up to second favourite with the bookies.

2020 AFL Premiership

$4.50     West Coast                         $4.50 before Round 10
$5           Richmond                            $7 before Round 10
$6.50     Brisbane Lions                    $6 before Round 10
$8           GWS                                 $8 before Round 10
                Port Adelaide                    $8 before Round 10
$9           Collingwood                       $9 before Round 10
$15         Geelong                             $15 before Round 10
                St Kilda                            $17 before Round 10
$26         Western Bulldogs                $26 before Round 10
$51         Essendon                            $51 before Round 10
              Melbourne                            $51 before Round 10
$67         Carlton                                 $67 before Round 10
                Hawthorn                            $67 before Round 10
$101       Gold Coast                          $101 before Round 10
$251       Fremantle                           $251 before Round 10
                North Melbourne                $251 before Round 10
                Sydney                             $251 before Round 10
$1001    Adelaide                              $1001 before Round 10

https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/st-kilda-heavily-backed-to-win-2020-afl-premiership/538998

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #100 on: August 10, 2020, 02:28:46 AM »
According to Foxsports:

Projected Final Ladder

1. Port Adelaide (13 projected wins)
2. Brisbane Lions (11.9)
3. West Coast Eagles (11.4)
4. St Kilda (10.7)
5. Richmond (10.25)
6. Geelong Cats (10.15)
7. GWS Giants (9.95)
8. Collingwood (9.15)
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9. Melbourne (8.5)
10. Western Bulldogs (8.35)
11. Essendon (8.3)
12. Gold Coast Suns (7.55)
13. Carlton (7.4)
14. Hawthorn (7.15)
15. Fremantle (6.7)
16. Sydney Swans (5.35)
17. North Melbourne (5.1)
18. Adelaide Crows (2.1)

PROJECTED WEEK 1 OF FINALS
First Qualifying Final (1 v 4): Port Adelaide v St Kilda
First Elimination Final (5 v 8 ): Richmond v Collingwood
Second Elimination Final (6 v 7): Geelong Cats v GWS Giants
Second Qualifying Final (2 v 3): Brisbane Lions v West Coast Eagles

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-the-run-home-predicted-ladder-predicted-top-eight-after-round-10-finals-series-final-ladder-projections/news-story/9c5e56f30a17030ae9be56d8ab9bc606

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #101 on: August 10, 2020, 11:40:54 AM »
5. Richmond (10.25)
6. Geelong Cats (10.15)
7. GWS Giants (9.95)
8. Collingwood (9.15)

That would make a reasonable top 4 before the season started

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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #102 on: August 13, 2020, 03:59:26 AM »
We're 6th after Round 11:


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Re: Which team(s) will be our challengers in 2020?
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2020, 03:01:03 AM »
Sticking with the top 4 sides.


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This stat says only Tigers, Eagles & Cats can win it all (Foxsports)
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2020, 06:47:40 PM »
This stat tipped the last three premiers. It says only three AFL teams can win it all

Foxsports
August 19, 2020
Max Laughton


Only three teams are in the right form to win the 2020 AFL premiership, according to a stat that has helped predict the last three premiers.

The team on Fox Footy’s On the Couch have revealed which teams have met the ‘premiership profile’ over the last six rounds - and the top two sides on the ladder Port Adelaide and Brisbane haven’t.

They revealed only West Coast, Geelong and Richmond are currently ticking the right boxes to win the flag.

The premiership profile analyses teams in five key statistical categories.

If they rank in the top five in the AFL in that area, they tick that box. If you have three or more ticks, you fit the profile.

The stats are:

– Points from turnover differential (how much you score from turnovers compared to your opponent);

– Points from forward half (how much you score from chains that start in the forward half);

– Points from back half (how much you score from chains that start in the back half);

– Opposition scores per inside 50 (how inefficient opponents are when they go inside 50 against you);

– Post-clearance contested possession differential (how many contested possessions you win outside of stoppages compared to your opponent).

“These are the aspects of the game over history that are the most conducive to coming up with a winning formula,” St Kilda great Nick Riewoldt said on Fox Footy.

“You’re most likely to win if you’re good in these areas.”

In the last three seasons, the premier has always met the premiership profile, while five of the six Grand Finalists have met it.

WHO HAS MET THE PREMIERSHIP PROFILE?

2019 – Richmond, Geelong, Collingwood
2018 – West Coast, Collingwood, Richmond, Melbourne, Geelong
2017 – Richmond, Adelaide, Sydney, Port Adelaide
Note: These teams met the profile over the entire season.

So how are the 2020 contenders faring in recent weeks?

West Coast and Geelong are currently ticking four of the five boxes each, while Richmond ticks three.

Brisbane and St Kilda are just missing out, ticking two, while Port Adelaide only ticks one box over the past six weeks.

“We think there are three teams that are really elevated,” Riewoldt said.

“Three teams that can get you two ways, so if you take away their one method, they can get you with another method.”

As Melbourne champion Garry Lyon explained, the ladder leaders showed they didn’t have another method in their big Round 12 loss to Geelong.

“Port Adelaide’s the interesting one there. Their supporters are going ‘hang on a damn minute, we’re top of the ladder and have been for a long time’. Yet they’re only ticking one of these boxes,” Lyon said on Fox Footy.

“It may suggest they’re a bit one way, or have one way of going about it, which is good enough to win big games but when it doesn’t work as it didn’t on Friday night (against Geelong), whether they’ve got an alternative plan to go to is the question.”

WHICH TEAMS ARE TICKING THE PREMIERSHIP PROFILE BOXES?

Points from turnover differential: West Coast, Geelong, Richmond, Brisbane

Points from forward half: West Coast, Richmond, Brisbane, St Kilda

Points from back half: West Coast, Richmond, Geelong

Opposition scores per inside 50: West Coast, Geelong

Post-clearance contested possession differential: Geelong, St Kilda, Port Adelaide

Brisbane great Jonathan Brown said: “That’s a big thing. Do you have a plan to go to when you’re not having your greatest day?

“I think Richmond’s the best example of a side that can win both ways, and has two modes. In last year’s finals series, the first two finals, they had to do a lot of their scoring from the back half.

“It’s not their ideal MO but they won anyway, and then of course on Grand Final day, they had the game on their terms and they just wiped GWS off the park. So they won with two different brands throughout September.”

While Geelong met the premiership profile last year, there’s a key difference this year, according to Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy.

“Geelong last year were a great front half side, they were turning the ball over and getting great groundballs, but they lacked that back half game, being able to score” he said.

“That’s one thing they have turned on its head – now they can win both ways.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-finals-afl-grand-final-premiership-odds-predictor-champion-data-premiership-profile-2020/news-story/d1ce45ef3111bb82cad8d2157664b922