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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2020, 06:05:02 AM »
Saints and Bulldogs will improve. Cats appear to be trying to buy a premiership.
Let’s be honest...there is nothing with trying ‘to buy’ a premiership (or title). Every big sporting club around the world employ the same tactics :
Barcelona
Manchester City
New England Patriots
Building a home grown or generic list sometimes will simply not get the job done.

Having said that....I think Geelong are in for a world of pain in 3 years time.
Champion teams win premierships not teams of Champions. GWS is a perfect example of this.
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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2020, 11:18:22 AM »
Kane Cornes of course to grab attention has Geelong now ahead of us and favourite for next year's flag.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2020, 11:55:14 AM »
New gameplan 16 full forwards and a couple of midfielders
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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2020, 12:16:47 PM »
Systems win premierships not good teams on paper.
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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2020, 01:10:13 PM »
Kane Cornes of course to grab attention has Geelong now ahead of us and favourite for next year's flag.

They have 5mths of air time to fill on SEN now.  Its pretty boring saying Richmond will win again.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2020, 03:10:41 PM »
We don't have to win now which probably makes us more dangerous.  We have done enough in my eyes.  But of course a 4th would be nice

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2020, 03:31:02 PM »
It will interesting to see how many of the Geelong’s geriatrics rum out the year

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2020, 02:02:35 AM »
Surge or slide: The early verdict on every AFL club’s 2021 chances

Ben Waterworth
November 26, 2020
FOX SPORTS


Several clubs with promising lists are well placed to surge into finals contention next year.

But for other teams, they face a possible slide down the ladder.

Foxfooty.com.au assesses all 18 clubs and predicts whether they’ll be in the top-eight race or experience a dip in fortunes.

THE FLAG CONTENDERS

Brisbane and Hawthorn’s 21st century dynasties ended with three flags – but you sense this Richmond line-up is perfectly placed for a crack at a fourth premiership in five seasons. The Tigers were disappointed to lose Jack Higgins to the Saints and Oleg Markov to the Suns – particularly Higgins, who they invested heavily in by selecting him with Pick 17 three years ago – but it’d also become clear the pair weren’t part of the club’s best 22. So it means the benchmark team’s best players have remained and the list post-trade period hasn’t weakened – a scary proposition for 17 other clubs.

On the subject of teams that haven’t weakened, Geelong appears to have thrown the short-term gauntlet in search of premiership glory. Not only did the Cats give up three first-round picks to acquire the hottest free agent in Jeremy Cameron, they also picked up 32-year-old Shaun Higgins and 31-year-old Isaac Smith to solidify their standing as the oldest list in the competition — and with no 2020 first-round draft picks. Chris Scott’s men will be in the flag mix again in 2021, but you sense anything less than a flag will be met with ample external scrutiny considering the list path the club has taken.

Hot on the heels of the Tigers and Cats will be Brisbane and Port Adelaide, who’ve surged into premiership contention over recent years – and won’t be going anywhere in 2021. On paper, Joe Daniher is the ideal addition for the Lions – and if it clicks for him, he could help the team take a step or two further. The Power are just as well placed to challenge again. They’ve got some of the best young guns in the competition playing in a Ken Hinkley system viewed by many as the league’s most reliable and sustainable. Orazio Fantasia and Aliir Aliir will only help, too.

And even though their 2020 campaigns ended earlier than they would’ve hoped, it’s hard to see either St Kilda or the Western Bulldogs sliding out of flag contention after their respective trade periods. The Saints landed the ball magnet they were after in Brad Crouch, Jack Higgins’ true potential could be unlocked and Shaun McKernan could be massive for Max King’s development. The trio join an already united, team-orientated group that plays for the jumper and its coach. As for the Bulldogs, they were widely regarded as the biggest winner of the trade period after retaining Josh Dunkley, acquiring a genuine star in Adam Treloar, addressing one of its most pressing needs by bringing in experienced ruckman Stefan Martin and keeping ample draft points to match a bid on academy prospect Jamarra Ugle-Hagan whenever that comes.

THE FINALS CONTENDERS

The core of the West Coast Eagles’ 2018 premiership side remains – and as long as that group is there, the Eagles should be in the finals mix. Whether they have edge to push them into the flag mix, however, remains doubtful. Following the Eagles’ 2020 finals exit, St Kilda great Leigh Montagna urged coach Adam Simpson to consider adjusting the way they play as they often rely on efficiency – which can be hard to sustain – rather than winning groundballs and locking the ball in their forward half, to win games.

Then there’s the chasing pack of teams that missed finals last year but will enter 2021 with real hope and promise.

Carlton arguably headlines the list. The Blues during the trade period added Zac Williams from the Giants, Adam Saad from the Bombers and Lachie Fogarty from the Cats to an already promising list with ample first-round draft talent. It all came after their seven-win 2020 campaign where they ranked equal-fourth for total quarters won (39) and pushed flag contenders like Brisbane, West Coast and St Kilda. If they hadn’t faded out so often, they could’ve been in the top eight mix in the final rounds. Dual premiership Kangaroo David King on SEN Breakfast predicted the Blues could take a “giant stride” in 2021. Dare we ask: Can you smell what the Blues are cooking?

Melbourne, arguably, should’ve made this year’s finals series – based on their percentage, anyway – only to blow it late in the season with two costly losses to the Swans and Dockers. But the Demons have a list and on-ball brigade that should not only be pushing for finals, but featuring in them. Club supporters are thrilled with the acquisition of Ben Brown, who’ll provide Simon Goodwin with a genuine goalkicking option that’ll help ease the burden on Sam Weideman.

Fremantle is another club that finished this year outside the eight but emerged with plenty of positive vibes under first-year coach Justin Longmuir. Their lack of recent trade activity – outside of offloading Jesse Hogan to the Giants – suggests the Dockers are happy with how they’re placed. You can understand why, too, after winning five of their last eight games of 2020 and finishing with a healthy percentage of 93.7. Their young midfield is very promising.

Percentage is often a more accurate guide to how well a team is performing. That’s why it’s important to look at the Gold Coast Suns’ 2020 campaign with a half-glass full attitude after they finished with a percentage of 90.6. Yes they ended up 14th on the ladder and won just one of their final 10 games, but that record could’ve easily been four of 10 considering the close results against the Bulldogs, Saints and Bombers. They’ve added some outside dash in Rory Atkins and Oleg Markov to a list filled to the brim with young talent and will only improve with the more games they play together.

We’re putting Sydney in this category too. The Swans’ group of 20 to 24-year-olds, which includes the likes of Dylan Stephens, Nick Blakey, James Rowbottom, Will Hayward, Ollie Florent, Jordan Dawson, Callum Mills and Tom Papley, is mightily impressive. Next year they’ll get Isaac Heeney back from a long-term injury – possibly Lance Franklin too – while they could also add three first-round draftees: Academy duo Braeden Campbell and Errol Gulden, as well as the player they select at Pick 3, widely tipped to be WA key defender Denver Grainger-Barras. Fox Footy’s David King made a big call on the last night of the trade period: “They’ll come with a rush, and I think they’re finals next year. With a little bit of luck with (Lance) Franklin, they’re contenders.”

THE SLIDERS

While the core group of a really good side is still there, you could argue the Giants have been forced into a mini reset-on-the-run after losing six players – if you include Jackson Hately, who’ll become a Crow via the pre-season draft – during the AFL exchange period. The Giants are still in a good space long-term from a list demographic perspective, but it’s hard to overlook that 2020 post-season exodus, which makes you question how disruptive it’ll be in the short-term.

As aforementioned, percentage is often a truer indication of how well a team is tracking – and that’s why for us Essendon slides, pardon the pun, into this section. The Bombers won just one of their final 10 games of 2020, meaning they finished 13th on the ladder. But their percentage of 79.2 – a result of big losses to finalists like the Bulldogs, Lions, Saints, Cats and Power – was the third-worst in the competition. Now they’re without one of their most important players in Adam Saad, while Orazio Fantasia and Joe Daniher are also at rival clubs. Yes they have three consecutive draft picks in the top 10, while Peter Wright and Jye Caldwell looms as promising additions in the long-term. But in the short-term it’s hard to see the Bombers improving on last year.

Which brings us to Collingwood – the most heavily-dissected club before, during and after this year’s trade period. The losses of Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Phillips to rival clubs – without much compensation – has “almost committed Nathan Buckley to starting a rebuild”, according to David King. The Pies are hopeful the likes of Callum Brown, Tyler Brown, Josh Daicos and Brayden Sier can improve their outputs with the extra exposure they’ll receive next year. But the Pies’ inability to score was their biggest concern during 2020 – an issue that wasn’t addressed during the trade period. Buckley now faces one of his biggest challenges as a coach to reunite a heavily-scrutinised playing group over the summer and push again for a premiership after Grand Final, preliminary final and semi-final losses in three straight seasons. Realistically, it’s hard to see the Pies making the eight again after barely scraping in this year.

IN A HOLDING PATTERN

The Hawks, Kangaroos and Crows occupied three of the bottom four spots on the AFL ladder last season. While there’s obvious potential for ladder improvement in 2021, don’t expect it to be significant.

Hawthorn saw five players aged over 30 depart the club at season’s end, yet topped up with a 29-year-old (Kyle Hartigan) and 24-year-old (Tom Phillips) during the exchange period. The key to the Hawks’ success in 2021 will be if Jon Patton can remain fit, as well the ability of on-ballers like Tom Mitchell, James Worpel, Jaeger O’Meara, Liam Shiels and Phillips to click and work together effectively.

At least both Adelaide and North Melbourne fans know where their respective clubs are at. It’s hard to see either of their teams venturing out of the bottom four in 2021, but there’s enough hope for supporters to grasp onto beyond next year. The Crows are well stacked for the first round of this year’s draft with four picks inside the top 23 selections, while they’ll pick up Giant Jackson Hately for nothing at the pre-season draft. And after acquiring Aidan Corr and Jaidyn Stephenson – two players who’ll walk into their best 22 line-up – during the AFL exchange period, the Kangaroos enter next month’s draft with two top-11 picks.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predictions-2021-finals-top-eight-improvers-fallers-teams-that-will-improve-and-decline-collingwood-carlton-fremantle/news-story/6a886c4634d4757634c49365db974287

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2020, 01:52:40 PM »
It will interesting to see how many of the Geelong’s geriatrics rum out the year

they could play eight 30 plus yr olds next yr along with two or three 29 yr olds.

Stanley 30, Dangerfield 30, Higgins 33, Selwood 32, Duncan 29, Menegola 29, Smith 32  all midfielders all enter the vet stage of their careers at age 29 plus at the start of the season proper.

Then in the back half Blicavs 30, Tuohy 31, Henderson 31 all 30 plus.

Then up forward Hawkins 32 and both Cameron and Dahlaus aged 28. Other 28yr olds include Guthrie and Stewart.

Reckon there could be as many as 6 changes to their g/f side at the start of the season, Thats  depending on how they structure up and what younger players step up.

What interested me was this yr down back they played all of Blicavs, Henderson, Taylor and Koldjashnij all kpp size and imo just too big
At least that may well be cut down to three with the Taylor retirement.

What do they do with 22 yr old 197/102 Ratugolea do they play him Hawkins and Cameron?

I think blokes like Rohan 29, Tuohy 31, Bews 27 will miss out and Taylor 34 and Ablett 26 have retired.
Ins maybe Higgins 33, Cameron 28, I Smith 32, J Clark 20 Ratugolea 22, C Stevens

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2020, 10:13:33 PM »
I think Higgins was an in so the other kids don't have to play every game but I don't see him as that great a pick up. Isaac Smith on the other hand could be very good. I think Gary Rohan is a goner for Cameron or Smith depending on where they are playing. Bloody heck it's an old list.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2020, 11:25:44 AM »
I love it when Essendon & Carlton are both talking it up only to be perennial losers. 

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2020, 02:31:13 PM »
A speculative look at the next AFL season

Chip
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27 November 2020


With the trade period over and draft occurring soon, it’s time to try some early speculation about the season ahead.

This shapes as one of the most intriguing seasons yet as there could be some real movement into and within the top eight. Using seafaring terminology, here is a look at how the ladder could pan out in 2021.

Full steam ahead

Richmond and Port Adelaide stand out in this leading category. It is hard to go past Richmond, although continuing the voyage is a difficult one. With admirable depth in their list and arguably the greatest Tiger of all in Dustin Martin, a well-established game plan and strong leadership on and off the field all make for a happy mix.

Of course, a three-peat would really put them in rarefied air up there with Hawthorn, Brisbane and much further back the powerhouse Melbourne teams. Key constraints for Richmond are obvious ones: complacency, satisfaction with success and lack of hunger and injuries to key personnel, something that could bedevil all teams. They were able to deal with and put aside off-field dramas, the sign of a well-functioning outfit.

In this category, although not to the same extent, is Port Adelaide. 2020 was full of promise and the Power should be smarting at their narrow loss in the rain-sodden preliminary final, especially at home. The further blossoming of their younger players and some shrewd recruitment during the trade season bodes well.

A nice tailwind

There are three teams in this camp and they could go all the way if things go well: Brisbane, Geelong and St Kilda. These teams did well in 2020 winning at least one final, which should hold them in good stead. However, there are a few questions over them.

How much did Brisbane benefit from the non-travel factor in 2020 given that their record in Melbourne is not strong? Will the younger players, many of whom did not play particularly well in the semi-final, continue to develop and what impact will Joe Daniher have?

For Geelong, the acquisition of Jeremy Cameron is a good one but potentially at a hefty long-term price. Will this ageing list be able to have one more shot in the locker?

For St Kilda, much like Brisbane, can the younger players continue the upward movement? While not as prolific in this trade period compared to the last, there is a sense that this list is building nicely, requiring more refinement rather than drastic surgery.

Uncharted waters

This next and largest group is the most intriguing and has the most questions. In this group are Collingwood, GWS, Essendon, Melbourne, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs. These sides could perhaps make their way into contention for high honours or slide down the table.

For Collingwood, much has been said and written about their messy trade period. A lot is being left to making sure that this upcoming draft really counts, especially for key forwards and midfield replenishment, and as everyone knows drafting can be hit and miss. Added to this is the unknown intangible impact on the team morale and fabric associated with the contentious departure of some key players. They have been thereabouts but not quite good enough for the last few seasons.

GWS is somewhat of a mystery. It is surprising that a team which lost the 2019 grand final could not rise to the occasion in 2020 and indeed fell away sharply. To what extent the dropping of the captain contributed to the poor season is hard to assess, although the season was well and truly on the rocks before that happened. Possibly they have been overrated as a club, as observers have been seduced by the sheer volume of early-season draft picks.

For Essendon, it is hard to gauge whether it is on the right side of the ledger post-trade. The loss of Adam Saad and Daniher may or not be offset by some acquisitions and a very strong draft hand.

Jake Stringer, Joe Daniher and Jackson Ross of the Bombers celebrate a goal
(Photo by James Elsby/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Melbourne is a perennial underachiever and while they have recruited quite well and look to have a balanced list, they need to find a way to address their habit of losing key and winnable games late in the season. It appears that a changed mindset is the key.

West Coast stumbled early in the finals for two years running, and its core A-graders are mostly veterans. It is perhaps unclear whether there is enough young emerging, exciting talent.
The Bulldogs went close to winning their final against St Kilda, and their best is strong. They look to have the most all-around, diverse and complete midfield in the competition, which Adam Treloar’s speed will add to. However, the bookends remain a concern.

All aboard

This group consists of the Gold Coast Suns, Fremantle and [/b]Carlton[/b]. Any one or more of these could catapult into finals contention.

In particular, Gold Coast and Fremantle have potential galore with young lists, rising star nominees and some of the competition’s most exciting, emerging talent such as Matt Rowell, Izak Rankine and Caleb Serong. In addition, both have tactically astute coaches and the home-ground factor is real. A bit of steadiness under fire and experience are the keys.

For Carlton the future must be now. They have been promising for a while, and have been mainly through drafting but also some astute trading and slowly stockpiling talent especially in key positions. Time for the green shoots to flower.

Choppy seas

Hawthorn are an intriguing story. Arguably, they are on the precipice of falling right way and looking at a total rebuild or somehow managing to stay in touch with the top eight. Their 2020 season was a very mixed bag. Retirements and Isaac Smith’s move to Geelong could be felt more deeply than anticipated.

Sydney are an interesting case. They do have some emerging talent but rely too heavily on Tom Papley for scoring. They are confronted with demographic issues of replacing their older brigade. Whether Lance Franklin can be the same force again is also a major question.

The fact that it took Adelaide until Round 15 in 2020 to record their first win might send shivers down the spines of supporters. However, there were signs of promise and their younger brigade including the likes of Elliot Himmelberg could take the next steps.

Early indications suggest a bleak year in 2021 for the Kangaroos. The loss of the coach, a radical de-listing exercise and the loss of experienced and talented players in Ben Brown and Shaun Higgins suggests that things have gone awry. However, the appointment of David Noble, who appears to be a mentoring coach in the mould of Chris Fagan, could be exactly what this young group needs.

The recruitment of Jaidyn Stephenson (the 2018 version) could be pivotal now and for the future. However, at the moment it’s not quite there for the Kangaroos.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/11/27/a-speculative-look-at-the-next-afl-season/

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2020, 02:42:10 PM »
Are we really that much younger than Geelong.

they will have 8 30 yr olds at the start of the season april.  we have 5 plus  dusty turning 30 in june.If they dont bring in Smith and Higgins then theres hardly any difference.
Like them we have 2 29 yr olds and 4 28 yr olds. I reckon we are only a season behind them if that when it comes to age of our better players.

Imo Selwood will be gone and Smith and Higgins are there for just the one yr to give em a final crack at a flag. If those three do retire next yr then they will have a similar age profile to us. It takes very little to alter the age demographic of any list. 

Personally i would not have a problem bringing in a very good 28 -30+year old if it meant solving a list problem and perhaps giving us a tilt at a flag again. The obvious proviso is in doing it you stay heavily involved in the ND. This is something we have done well at in recent yrs.

With an ageing list and still in a shortening window im sure we will look down this path at some stage. As we all know It takes many yrs to build a premiership side  clubs do all they can to eke out every opportunity at success while up..I dont think we will be any different.

If we gave up three first round picks for a player id be ropeable i reckon.Geelong have now backed themselves into a corner and need to go on and win it next yr they wanna hope they get plenty of seasons out of Cameron as well.

In all Honesty i would have liked Jeremy Cameron at Richmond but not at the price Geelong payed.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2020, 01:24:41 PM »
David King believes Geelong is the number one destination club in the AFL right now.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/30/which-team-is-the-afls-number-one-destination-club/

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2021, 01:47:05 PM »
AFL’s biggest 2021 bolters predicted: Teams most likely to make giant jump

BEN WATERWORTH
FOX SPORTS
December 31, 2020


We’ve hit a point where giant top-four leapfrogs have become a trend.

After Brisbane’s remarkable rise from cellar dwellers to premiership contenders within 12 months caught many AFL fans by surprise, an under-fire Port Adelaide jumped from 10th in 2019 to minor premiers in 2021.

And recent history suggests a similar rise could happen again in 2021.

Research conducted in 2018 by foxfooty.com.au’s Max Laughton found that in the 16-team AFL era (1994 to 2010), 1.375 teams made the leap from outside the eight into next year’s top four. And from the 18-team era (2012 to 2019), the average remained at just over one.

It means most years, at least one team that missed the finals the previous season leapfrogs not only into the eight the next year, but also into the top four.

So which bottom 10 teams from 2020 loom as the most likely to make a giant jump next year?

Foxfooty.com.au ranks and assesses all the eligible clubs.

Likely to jump up into the Top 4 in 2021 ranking

1. Melbourne
2. Carlton
3. GWS
4. Sydney
5. Fremantle
6. Gold Coast
7. Hawthorn
8. Essendon
9. Adelaide
10. North Melbourne

Read Foxsports' reasoning at: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predictions-2021-finals-tips-bottom-10-to-top-four-melbourne-carlton-sydney-swans-to-jump/news-story/420d9413abfad3579a1b0d515e7a380e