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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2021, 04:14:41 PM »
Had a crack at the ladder predictor and have us finishing 9th equal points with GWS, Swans. 
That's with us losing to WC, Geelong & GWS. 
The auto fill option is the same. 

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #106 on: May 23, 2021, 05:37:27 PM »
Anyone watching Collingwood absolutely choke against the Power.  OMG do they suck.   Literally will not kick it Forward

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #107 on: May 23, 2021, 07:12:09 PM »
Had a crack at the ladder predictor and have us finishing 9th equal points with GWS, Swans. 
That's with us losing to WC, Geelong & GWS. 
The auto fill option is the same.

So we are 9th at the moment and you have us finishing 9-3 and still placing 9th. Think somethings wrong with your predictor.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2021, 11:13:05 AM »
Had a crack at the ladder predictor and have us finishing 9th equal points with GWS, Swans. 
That's with us losing to WC, Geelong & GWS. 
The auto fill option is the same.

So we are 9th at the moment and you have us finishing 9-3 and still placing 9th. Think somethings wrong with your predictor.

Nope, just the teams above us currently win the same amount of games. Obviously won't pan out this way due to upsets but that's why they call it a predictor. 

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2021, 12:06:41 PM »
David King has written us off. He said Richmond won't make the top 4 and if you don't make top 4 this year then you won't win the flag.

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Gerard Whateley and David King have named their top four seeds in the AFL after Round 10.

King

1. Melbourne

2. Western Bulldogs

“I really had a good think about this, the top two, but I’ve stuck fat and I’ve gone the Dogs at two.

“I think their best is really good, Friday night tells us everything.”

3. Brisbane

“I’m bringing Brisbane in, they’re into three.”

4. Geelong

“I said I’d never let Richmond slip out of four … they’ve slipped out of four.

“I’ve gone with Geelong at four just because I think they’re getting the job done, they’re healthy in terms of the way they play, a bit of talent to come back in.”

Whateley

1. Western Bulldogs

“The Bulldogs are one.

“I made the Bulldogs work hard to earn it.”

2. Melbourne

3. Brisbane

“I forecast last week that they’d come in if they won (against Richmond).

“I’ve just been waiting for that one performance to validate.”

4. Geelong

“I’ve shuffled Richmond out as well, I never committed to it the way you (King) did.

“I’ve got Geelong at four. I’m not 100 per cent sure about Geelong … they can have four.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/24/whateley-and-king-rank-their-top-four-seeds-after-round-10/

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2021, 09:28:39 PM »
Had a crack at the ladder predictor and have us finishing 9th equal points with GWS, Swans. 
That's with us losing to WC, Geelong & GWS. 
The auto fill option is the same.

So we are 9th at the moment and you have us finishing 9-3 and still placing 9th. Think somethings wrong with your predictor.

Nope, just the teams above us currently win the same amount of games. Obviously won't pan out this way due to upsets but that's why they call it a predictor.

Nah. Your prediction is absurd
Winning 14 and missing the 8 will NEVER happen under the current format

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2021, 02:30:08 PM »
Don’t be fooled by Richmond’s .500 record.

With as long an injury list as any team in the comp, they’ve lost five games – all to top seven teams. They’ve also handed the Bulldogs their only loss, defeated GWS, St Kilda and Carlton, the teams right behind them, and lost to Port by two in Adelaide.

(It seems odd to say their least worthwhile win was over the Hawks.)

The schedule they’ve faced has been brutal. They face only three more top-seven teams the rest of the way: West Coast and rematches against Geelong and Brisbane, both at the MCG.

In our simulation, we had them winning eight or nine of their last 12.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/05/25/round-11-preview-demons-dogs-and-eight-filler-games/

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2021, 09:19:37 PM »
Our biggest challengers are the umpires, the MRO and the Tribunals

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2021, 01:23:45 PM »
Where do Tigers fall? AFL Power Rankings

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1. WESTERN BULLDOGS (9-1, 161.9%) ........ Last week: 4 (up three)
2. BRISBANE LIONS (7-3, 127.6%) .............. Last week: 2
3. MELBOURNE (9-1, 137.7%) ..................... Last week: 1 (down two)
4. GEELONG CATS (7-3, 131.4%) ................. Last week: 3 (down one)
5. PORT ADELAIDE (7-3, 119.1%) ................. Last week: 5
6. GWS GIANTS (5-5, 100.1%) ..................... Last week: 9 (up three)
7. WEST COAST EAGLES (6-4, 109%) ............ Last week: 6 (down one)
8. RICHMOND (5-5, 99.3%) ......................... Last week: 7 (down one)

We can already see exactly how Richmond’s season is going to go, and it sounds incredibly familiar. We get this little patch of being worried because they’re middle of the pack; then after the bye they have an easy fixture and get players back, allowing them to go on a run and finish on between 13 and 15 wins. Seriously; after their post-bye game against West Coast in Perth, their toughest games left are Brisbane at the MCG, Geelong at the MCG and GWS in Sydney. Otherwise it’s all bottom ten teams, with six matches in total at the MCG. If things truly are different this year, the Tigers will slip up more than expected and need to go on a run just to reach 12 wins, but we’re nowhere close to writing them off.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-power-rankings-after-round-10-afl-analysis-stats-every-team-ranked-ladder-top-eight-predictions/news-story/2654f4c8644f5ac3939a6257d856efd4

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #114 on: May 29, 2021, 07:36:13 PM »
Well we're back in the Eight without playing  ;D.


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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #115 on: May 30, 2021, 11:44:24 AM »
And we’ve dropped back to 9th thanks to the Eagles

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2021, 04:18:13 AM »
WOAH, WE’RE HALFWAY THERE - SO WHO’S LIVIN’ ON A PRAYER?

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Just like that, half of the season has come and gone, with every club having now played 11 of their 22 home and away matches.

Perhaps now people will stop tweeting ‘it’s only [whatever month it is], stop worrying about the finals’; because half a season tells us a hell of a lot about the premiership race.

If you want to win the flag, you need to finish in the top four - only the 2016 Bulldogs have done it from outside of there under the existing finals format. And it’s very hard to make up ground if you’re not close after 11 games.

Just look at Richmond, who had to fight hard just to get past Adelaide and sneak back into eighth. They have a pretty easy draw in the second half of the season, but it’s still going to be extremely difficult for them to make the top four.

They’re trying to catch Brisbane (8-3 record, 133.5%) and/or Geelong (8-3, 130.6%); meanwhile the Tigers are 6-5 with a percentage of 102.4%.

That percentage gap is worth an extra win; they’ll need to win three more games than the Lions or Cats from here to pass them on the ladder.

Is that possible? Yes. Is that likely? No.

And as history tells us, if you’re in the top four through half a season, you’re likely to remain there; but not a certainty.

HOW MANY OF THE TOP FOUR AFTER 11 GAMES FINISHED IN THE TOP FOUR? (18-team era)

2019: Two (#2 GWS and #4 West Coast out, #5 Brisbane and #6 Richmond in)

2018: Two (#3 Melbourne and #4 Sydney out, #7 Collingwood and #10 Hawthorn in)

2017: Four

2016: Two (#1 North Melbourne and #4 Western Bulldogs out, #5 Hawthorn and #6 GWS in)

2015: Three (#4 Collingwood out, #6 Hawthorn in)

2014: Two (#1 Port Adelaide and #4 Collingwood out, #6 Geelong and #7 Fremantle in)

2013: Three (#4 Essendon out, #5 Fremantle in)

2012: Two (#3 West Coast and #4 Essendon out, #5 Adelaide and #6 Hawthorn in)

Average: 2.5 mid-season top four members remain in the top four

As you can see, we should expect a change or two - unsurprisingly it’s the fourth-ranked team that most frequently drops out of the top four. That makes sense given they’re the closest to the chasing pack.

In contrast, only three times has a top two team at mid-season dropped out of the top four. Two of those teams did extremely well anyway - GWS in 2019 made the Grand Final, and Port Adelaide in 2014 was a kick away from beating Hawthorn in the prelim.

Only North Melbourne in 2016, the perennial outlier in these discussions after falling from 10-1 to 12-10, truly collapsed.

So, the lessons:

- Melbourne (10-1) and the Western Bulldogs (9-2) are almost locked into the double chance, or at least making the final four in September;

- We’d expect one of Brisbane (8-3) or Geelong (8-3) to drop out of the top four, though it’s not a certainty;

- The most likely teams to come in are unsurprisingly the ones sitting fifth and sixth right now, Port Adelaide (8-3) and Sydney (7-4)

- It’s very uncommon to come from outside the top six at mid-season to make the top four, so West Coast (6-5) and Richmond (6-5) would be going against historic trends.

You can also get a sense of how hard it is to crack into the top four by looking at how often teams get there from specific records.

Using data from 1995-2019, these are the historic chances:

9 wins, 2 losses: 86% to make top 4, 100% to make top 8

8-3: 60% to make top 4, 93% to make top 8

7-4: 47% to make top 4, 82% to make top 8

6-5: 15% to make top 4, 58% to make top 8

5-6: 4% to make top 4, 25% to make top 8

4-7: 0% to make top 4, 12% to make top 8

This all makes sense at a glance; at most, one of the four 5-6 teams (Essendon, GWS, Fremantle and St Kilda) will end up making the eight, while you’d suggest the top four race is down to the current top six (with Sydney the rank outsider).

As for Carlton, Gold Coast and Adelaide - the latter two were always unlikely to make it this year, but the Blues need to get on a run right now if they’re to live up to expectations.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-round-11-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-essendon-rebuild-run-home-top-four-chances-melbourne/news-story/741d00701562c545f374956731ee3379

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #117 on: May 31, 2021, 02:14:59 PM »
Brisbane v Melbourne round 12 then Geelong v Port round 13, Geelong v Bulldogs round 14 and then in round 15 Geelong v Brisbane and Syd v Port

At the end of Round 15 we will have a clearer outlook for the ladder

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #118 on: May 31, 2021, 02:58:57 PM »
Brisbane are rightfully the Premiership favorites at this point.  Their likely challenger is Melbourne.

Geesook will fall away as their old campaigners get injured and sore and Dogs & Port I don't feel are good enough.  Both are flat track bullies that don't have a defensive game plan to win big finals.

We are a chance but need a 5th or 6th finish and a soft elimination final against an interstate team before we hit the harder finals.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #119 on: May 31, 2021, 03:53:46 PM »
Gerard Whateley and David King have named their top four seeds in the AFL after Round 11.

King's seedings

1. Melbourne

“They’re flying.

“We probably think they’re going to stay one for a little while.”

2. Brisbane

“On the move, won their last seven, percentage of 172 over the last seven weeks, that’s big.

“The way they’re playing is brutal, clearance game in good order, their forward half work is probably the best in the competition right now.”

3. Western Bulldogs

“They’ve gone down one which is in line with my previous set of rules.

“They’re 5.2 over the last seven weeks, losses to Richmond and Melbourne drops you down one spot.”

4. Geelong

“The Geelong Football Club, and reluctantly.

“I actually flirted with the idea of bringing Sydney in this week, but they’re 6-1 over the last seven weeks and probably should be 7-0 given the one loss was to Sydney where they brained them.”


Whateley's seedings

1. Melbourne

“It has to be Melbourne.”

2. Brisbane

3. Western Bulldogs

“They sit at three.”

4. Vacant*

“I can’t have Geelong at four having watched that on Saturday.

“No four seed this week. Geelong don’t deserve four this week.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/31/whateley-and-king-rank-their-top-four-seeds-after-round-11/