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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #375 on: October 16, 2021, 11:50:39 AM »
Geez we delist Garthwaite, Nyuon and Astbury retires. Miller has done nothing and i will say again has already gone from the list proper to a rookie.
The more i look at this area a player like Rhett Bazzo would be ideal

Then we look at the forwards and at the risk of repeating myself too much there is just Riewoldt at 33 and Lynch at 29.

Looking at a purely list balance type view i hope we go and get two talls and two mids with our top 30 picks.

For me the only question is in what order do we do it.

Id say all the players that should interest us will be about the place at each of our picks.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #376 on: October 16, 2021, 01:06:32 PM »
No doubt the focus will be on talls for Pick 7.

We cant afford not to take one of JVR, Andrew, Gibcus, Bazzo, Williams at Pick 7, and hopefully get one of them at 15 as well.

The list will benefit from a couple of developing talls

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #377 on: October 16, 2021, 01:41:04 PM »
Geez we delist Garthwaite, Nyuon and Astbury retires. Miller has done nothing and i will say again has already gone from the list proper to a rookie.
The more i look at this area a player like Rhett Bazzo would be ideal

Then we look at the forwards and at the risk of repeating myself too much there is just Riewoldt at 33 and Lynch at 29.

Looking at a purely list balance type view i hope we go and get two talls and two mids with our top 30 picks.

For me the only question is in what order do we do it.

Id say all the players that should interest us will be about the place at each of our picks.

Miller was good in his debut. Your attacks on the young man are unfair and unnecessary. I agree on Bazzo.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #378 on: October 16, 2021, 01:42:43 PM »
No doubt the focus will be on talls for Pick 7.

We cant afford not to take one of JVR, Andrew, Gibcus, Bazzo, Williams at Pick 7, and hopefully get one of them at 15 as well.

The list will benefit from a couple of developing talls

Id like 3 midfielders and 1 key position. I think we will miss on JvR but can get Bazzo. We can take another tall next year but we need to make sure we get 3 decent players out of this draft and mids are the safe option.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #379 on: October 16, 2021, 03:32:59 PM »
The general consensus seems to be that KPP wise it's a draft full of Thorpes & Polaks not Jacks & Buddys...   :shh
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #380 on: October 16, 2021, 04:39:49 PM »
Richmond goes into the draft with its best suite of picks in a couple of decades, and is ready to capitalise on that, as Tigers General Manager of Football Talent Blair Hartley explained . . .

“We are in a position where we want to replenish while we can contend . . . where we can get the best available talent,” Hartley said.

“We have some flexibility (to repackage picks) . . . to bundle them up or pick them where they are.

“We made the decision to trade into this draft.

“At the end of last year, we traded our first-round pick to take Geelong’s first round (in 2021), to give us those two picks in the first round.

“We are excited with who we might get . . .”

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1025851/tigers-set-to-maximise-strong-draft-hand

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #381 on: October 16, 2021, 08:46:43 PM »
Geez we delist Garthwaite, Nyuon and Astbury retires. Miller has done nothing and i will say again has already gone from the list proper to a rookie.
The more i look at this area a player like Rhett Bazzo would be ideal

Then we look at the forwards and at the risk of repeating myself too much there is just Riewoldt at 33 and Lynch at 29.

Looking at a purely list balance type view i hope we go and get two talls and two mids with our top 30 picks.

For me the only question is in what order do we do it.

Id say all the players that should interest us will be about the place at each of our picks.

Come on clawki.

Garth was C grade. A few serviceable games is all he has to show for what, 4 years on the list? He is no loss.

Biggie to be re-listed. Not loss.

Astbury was cooked AF. No loss.

Miller I think should have played at least 6-8 games this year and it's an indictment on the club that he didn't, but he looked solid in his debut and is still on the list so who knows maybe he'll make it. Hard to bust into a backline of Rance, Grimes, Broad, Astbury. Balta clearly had a more mature body at a younger age and is probably a better player in all ways.

Chol was C grade IMO.

CCJ despite the hype I dunno, still wasn't sold but he showed some promise I guess.



Tarrant in. Draft a kid. Pick up Schlensog. Soldo back. Suddenly we are fine.

Rucks. Nank, Soldo, Ryan, Collina. Could probably do with another for depth but Balta can ruck if worse comes to worse.

KPD. Grimes, Tarrant, Broad, Miller, Biggie, Balta.

KPF. Problem here. Jack, Lynch....could we try Balta if Tarrant and Miller work out?

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #382 on: October 17, 2021, 10:28:38 AM »
Agree with most of that Andy. My guess is that we’ll target trade or free agency to replace Jack in 2023 and I reckon we’ll take the same approach to replace Tarrant in season 2024.
Get the mids in this draft to replace Cotch, Dusty (who goes forward more and more from 2023) and Meatie.
Hopefully one of RCD, Ross, Martyn, Dow or Ralphsmith can start to emerge from 2022/2023.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #383 on: October 17, 2021, 10:50:08 AM »
For me this draft we fix midfield and get 1 key position.
Ward or Hobbs, Johnson, Taylor in the draft as mids, Bazzo as the next key defender to develop to replace tarrant.

Draft 3 junior players next year and target 1 or 2 free agents as cotchin, riewoldt retire. If we get our next 2  drafts right we are set for the next decade with bringing in free agents.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #384 on: October 17, 2021, 12:17:32 PM »
Tend to agree, I would like Jvr and Bazzo if available with the rest including our first as best available midfielder
Hoping and praying for this draft will get us some 100plus gamers

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #385 on: October 17, 2021, 04:36:48 PM »
Tend to agree, I would like Jvr and Bazzo if available with the rest including our first as best available midfielder
Hoping and praying for this draft will get us some 100plus gamers


I am interested in any Vic key position players which might be available and are currently under the radar. We have been exposed to the WA and SA kids only and all the talk is about JVR and Bazzo. Don't get me wrong, these boys look good however I think there will be others selected who are not yet talked about. I would take Aleer before any of these guys.   

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #386 on: October 17, 2021, 04:47:50 PM »
Agree HRT. Thought Dow showed a bit in late '21. Hair cut helps.

Ross has to make or break in '22. Club should stop stuffing around. Put some weight on him and leave him inside.

I am worried that RCD still doesn't seem to have the running ability he needs to stay in games after 3 years. I wonder if he'd be better off as a medium forward. Good kick for goal.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #387 on: October 18, 2021, 06:23:10 AM »
HeraldSun's Jay Clark's top 10 mock draft:

Early call: Is this how the draft will play out?

Next month’s national draft is fast approaching. Which kids are lighting up talent boards and who is your club looking at? Jay Clark makes an early top ten prediction.

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18 October 2021


The 2021 AFL national draft is fast approaching.

As clubs finalise their talent boards many are also working the phones, with trades still permitted that could shake up the order.

Who is your club looking at?

Jay Clark looks at how the cards may fall.

1. North Melbourne: Jason Horne-Francis - South Adelaide
184cm midfielder-forward
The player: The buzz around Jason Horne-Francis has gone through the roof over the past fortnight after North Melbourne knocked back a truckload of top picks from Adelaide and Richmond for rights to the goal kicking playmaker. Likened to Sydney Swans’ Isaac Heeney, the exciting blonde turned on a blinder in the SANFL preliminary final snagging three goals from 24 disposals and 11 clearances. Recruiters already knew he was the top talent, but this was an astonishing performance on the eve of the draft that will surely see the competitive midfield-forward make an immediate impact for the Kangas next season. Wins his own footy in the air and on ground level and is polished and impactful with his ball use. Will put bums on seats.
The pick: Adelaide offered three first-round selections for the Roos’ No. 1 pick and will keep knocking on that door for as long as the South Australian Horne-Francis is wearing football boots. Watch North Melbourne attempt to lock in Horne-Francis with a very early contract extension.

2. Collingwood: Nick Daicos (Father-son bid) - Oakleigh Chargers
183cm midfielder
The player: Nick Daicos would have played a considerable number of games for the Magpies this year if he was already on their senior list. The big-time ballwinner zips through congestion and has regularly shown he has elite vision in tight spaces, finding tough targets by hand and foot. Played some exceptional football in the NAB League this year and could have a Sam-Walsh style impact in his first few seasons, according to the talent gurus. Son of Collingwood great Peter Daicos and the younger brother of Josh. Averaged 36 touches and two goals a game in the NAB League. Will be the face of the Collingwood list rebuild.
The pick: This hurts. Collingwood originally had this pick but traded it to GWS last year, meaning the Magpies could have taken Daicos plus another top-three talent if they held it. Ouch. Instead, GWS or any club the Giants trade this pick to will surely bid on Daicos here, making the Pies pay full tote odds for one player.

3. Western Bulldogs: Sam Darcy (Father-son bid) - Oakleigh Chargers
204cm key forward-ruck
The player: The Bulldogs are truly blessed to have access to this skillful and versatile big man, adding to the incredible riches already down the club’s spine. Darcy has excelled playing at centre half forward, kicking six goals in a Vic Metro trial game, and in defence where he set tongues wagging with his aerial work and rebounding earlier in the year. There hasn’t been as much hype around Darcy as there is around Horne-Francis and Daicos, but as one top scout said, the big man is equally special. Can kick on both sides of his body and is smooth around the ground.
The pick: The Dogs are certain to match a bid for Darcy at this spot and will have a wealth of talented tall options over the next decade, if they can all be kept at the club, with Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Aaron Naughton, Tim English and Darcy. Son of Bulldogs’ great and club director Luke Darcy.

4. GWS: Finn Callaghan - Sandringham Dragons
189cm midfielder
The player: This left-footed wingman has significant upside and has risen up recruiters’ draft boards all season long. The speedster is damaging on the outside in a way that has drawn comparisons to Hugh McCluggage, but it is his size, creativeness, and potential growth as a tall inside midfielder that has clubs wondering whether he can blossom like Marcus Bontempelli. That is why a club can hit the jackpot with this pick. Callaghan takes on the opposition with his weaving run and carry and is a nice marking option at his height. Has lots of tricks by hand and is a penetrating kick.
The pick: This is where the big moves can start. GWS owns this pick and would happily take Callaghan, but the reality is the club already has loads of gun midfield talent and would prefer a tall such as Mac Andrew or Josh Gibcus. That is why the Giants are considering trading several spots down the order if they can get something else in a deal, such as an early future pick. A swap with Hawthorn makes sense as it would give the Hawks a blue-chip midfielder such as Callaghan (which they need) and allows the Giants to nab a big man. But Richmond, Gold Coast and Adelaide are all in the same conversation.

5. Gold Coast: Josh Gibcus - Greater Western Victoria Rebels
195cm key defender
The player: Springy defender is an intercept marking specialist. Gibcus has a canny knack of floating in from the side and reaching above the rest of the pack as he reels in his grabs. He was impressive in a recent series of club interviews and is a top-six lock for some recruiters. Like Alex Rance, Gibcus is handy linking up on the rebound and will look to develop that side of his game. Given the emphasis on scoring on the turnover in the modern game, Gibcus’s marking power makes him a stand-out prospect.
The pick: Gold Coast is loaded with midfielders and has been found wanting in the key position department, especially in the back end. Gibcus would help form an excellent twin tower combination with Ben King at the opposite end as part of sound long-term play. Suns could try to shuffle this pick up or down the order depending on where the Suns think Gibcus will be taken, if the club is prepared to be patient with him. Stuart Dew may prefer a midfielder such as Ben Hobbs to get the instant impact.

6. Adelaide: Ben Hobbs - Greater Victorian Western Rebels
183cm midfielder
The player: Already been dubbed a future-captain in the making, Hobbs is certain to thrive at AFL level as a hard-as-nails inside midfielder. The strong-bodied onballer stepped up impressively this season after an early ankle injury and will be a safe bet at the pointy end of the draft. The competitive beast won admirers for his excellent contested ball work, all-round defensive application and team-first attitude. Vic Country captain shines in the clinches and will be a key pillar in an AFL onball unit in a similar manner to Collingwood’s Taylor Adams.
The pick: Adelaide has been strongly linked to Josh Rachele as an exciting and creative small forward and could yet trade up or down the order. But it would be hard to pass up Hobbs here as a long-term Rory Sloane replacement.

7. Hawthorn: Josh Ward - Northern Knights

181cm midfielder
The player: Reliable onballer has earned comparisons to Essendon star Zach Merrett for his polish and work rate in the middle. Might not be as flashy as others but Ward is a consistent performer who is clean around the stoppages and hits targets. Was named captain of the NAB league team of the year averaging 25 disposals a game. May not have the size as some of the other top draft prospects but he uses his huge tank and determination to work hard to get to the next contest. Scouts say coaches will love knowing that they can count on him on game day. Averaged 30 disposals and six clearances a game in the NAB League. He would be right up Sam Mitchell’s alley.
The pick: This would be a dream get for the Hawks at this pick as Ward could become the face of the next generation Hawthorn midfield alongside Will Day. Sam Mitchell would rate Ward’s foot skills, work ethic and ability to connect through the middle of the ground. His great grandfather, Alex Lee, played 31 games for the Hawks between 1933-35.

8. Fremantle: Jye Amiss - East Perth
195cm key forward
The player: The smart key forward is a snug fit for the Dockers as they can lock-in a local talent to become a spearhead for the next decade. Amiss has impressed in the WAFL Colts bagging 53 goals and is the best key forward prospect in the country. He has a strong-lead up game and works hard to kick goals in different ways, either second-chance opportunities at ground level, pressuring the opposition or linking up. Even better, he is an accurate kick for goal from set shot and general play. Has nice hands.
The pick: The Dockers need another developing key forward and it will be hard to pass up on the local star goal kicker. Richmond has the next pick and could also snap him up after losing Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones, so if the Dockers really want they may have to pounce here.

9. Richmond: Josh Rachele - Murray Bushrangers
180cm forward-midfielder
The player: Rachele this low in the top-10 would be an excellent pickup for the Tigers if he is still available. The crafty goal kicker has an exciting mix of speed and talent in the forward half and could develop into an absolute match winner at AFL level as his fitness builds. He can blow past defenders, create play out of nowhere and hit the scoreboard and there is significant upside in his midfield prospects. Lethal in the air and at ground level, and will be a fan favourite.
The pick: The Tigers would be keen to get their hands on Hobbs as a Trent Cotchin replacement, but there is a lot to like about Rachele if he slides this far. Easy to see the Tigers snapping him up given the way they have used small forwards like him in the past. And could impact early.

10. Fremantle: Mac Andrew - Dandenong Stingrays
200cm ruck-key forward
The player: One of the buzz players of this year’s draft has continued to rocket up draft orders across the season. At 200cm the exciting ruck-forward has Nic Naitanui-like qualities the way he can reach above those around him to either mark the ball or tap down to his teammates. And in-play he has a capacity to have a big impact with his tackling and follow-up and ground level. The spring-heeled Andrew is also developing his game in the forward half and according to the talent gurus can be anything in a few years.
The pick: Is this Fremantle’s Nic Natanui moment? Fremantle has two choices inside the top-10 which gives them flexibility to take the key forward they need (Amiss) and if not a midfield replacement for Adam Cerra, then the super athletic Andrew. Greater Western Sydney could take him as high as pick two, they rate Andrew so highly. He is tied to Melbourne’s next generation academy but there is no chance he slides past pick 20 which is what needs to happen to land at the Demons. Tall midfielder Neil Erasmus also in the mix.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2021-jay-clark-looks-at-how-the-cards-may-fall-in-next-months-afl-national-draft/news-story/a348a3c9e3e0b0a0f4874108d1c7f354

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #388 on: October 18, 2021, 06:48:08 AM »
From another of BF's draft watchers Smythe:

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RCD has the best centre clearance of the afl rising stars this year, so that is a good start. Hes is right up there in a lot of those stats so, he, as a future midfielder is a good start. His burst from a pack with the ball and spread from the pack without it is fantastic and quick.

Dow is more of your at pace get through traffic style of midfielder who does lots right but needs bulk and more game time.

Martyn can get a lot of the ball and the future could be good for him once he learns to tackle more and had a really good vfl season this year.

NONE of them are inside grunt ball winners, they are the team that gets around that guy to take the ball forward or tackle hard if we dont win the contest, RCD is the closest and will get a lot more inside ball sooner rather than later.

Jack Graham is your inside leader and gut running tackle machine.

Jack Ross is a solid footballer who will never get to great heights as he is not athletically gifted as the others but he too, is learning the role of the aforementioned Jack Graham except he will be the gut running tackle machine solid half backline player that will go into the middle whilst others rest.

Chesser although not much football played over two years has speed and athletic traits that Ross and Graham dont. He can go on the inside with grunt and dispose with finesse. Has mostly been a def/wing and has poise and control when with the ball, a thumping boot and is a productive player and good two way runner.

Hobbs is an inside beast. Not the quickest but one of the smartest inside mids with his positioning and attack on the ball after reading the play but also has Joel Selwood kamikaze style attacks too which is not a bad thing for a ball/clearance winning mid to have.

Van Rooyen has, as a forward, a Nick Reiwoldt style of play to him, running way up to the wing sometimes on a lead or to help win the ball then turn and he will beat his opponents back to the fwd line. Has also played down back and shown he can read the play well and intercept but his 1 v 1 work is a fair way off from AFL level. He is a good kick and good below his knees.

Gibcus is a good defender and very good interceptor at the under age level but with not much footy in 2 years and no champs against some of the best of his age i dont see why i would take such a risk with a high pick, if he was available at 17 i understand. Remember Fischer McAsey??

I would take neither at Richmonds first pick, but if Gibcus was there at 17 then yes, that is value, but he wont be available as he has his fanciers. I think it will be a close call as to whether JVR is there at 17 and if he is maybe he is a chance.

ALSO remember with all these kids, the club recruiters are the only ones who know about the kids who will have homesickness or will be no good attitude and maturity wise if they leave home for a team far away. Some of them are just messed in the head as well (anyone remember Tom Lamb) and we (stuck at home for most part of 2 years) wouldnt know. So some kids will go higher than other and some will drop a lot and we here on this sight all get surprised by it. but it happens every year, so it will, again happen this year.

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If Amiss is available at 9, take him. Best KPF in the draft (Darcy is a ruck/fwd) and a need for Richmond to have a young one to develop after losing CCJ.

The Tigers are keen on a few early prospects and are hoping 1 falls to them, they like Hobbs, Callaghan, Ward, Rachele, Amiss and Gibcus. With Horne-Francis, Darcy, Daicos, Callaghan and Andrew most likely gone, 3 of the former will be available.

Pick 9 - Ward has more speed, agility and is more athletically gifted than Hobbs with a predicted higher ceiling however Hobbs is similar to a young ollie wines and that is a need for Richmond, inside bull. My guess is they take best available that fits a need and that would be Hobbs. Ward is a similar style of player to a few of the young Richmond mids so having someone a little different that fits the need for and inside bull to compliment the others would be a good fit.

Pick 17 - Chesser. Sinn needs to work on his inside game more and out of the two Chesser's disposal is much better. I would not be picking Roberts in the first round at all, and Johnson most likely will not be there at 17 but even if he is i would rather chesser.....HOWEVER, if Wanganeen-Milera is available at that point i wouldn't hesitate to grab him.

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Richmond do not need to pick Schlensog as anyone can sign him during the DFA for free, i cant see anyone wasting a national draft pick on him. Richmond have spoken to him that is no secret, but i think there was something they didn't like otherwise they would have already signed him up.....or.....they might be (along with a few teams, geel, frem, wce, wb, haw etc.) waiting for a list lodgement after draft to see where the list sits and who they picked in the draft, and see if they have a spot for a young developing backman.

I personally think he [Schlensog] will not be at Richmond. Ben Miller is a very similar type and style of player however Miller is better 1v1 than Schlensog and in return Schlensog is a better interceptor. Richmond like Miller’s growth so will stick with him.
If it were my choice, I would draft for other areas and then sign Schlensog up as long as he takes a rookie contract and earns a spot like others have done. The Matt Parker influence may help too Coming from the same club.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #389 on: October 18, 2021, 04:49:14 PM »
I'm warming to Rachelle, not sure why just seems like a good mover from the 2 min clip that makes me an expert. 
Dont want Mac Andrew.