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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #510 on: November 06, 2021, 05:32:27 PM »
We have a habit of selecting someone outside the box not linked with us. No one knows except our recruiting team who were keen in, as it should be.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #511 on: November 06, 2021, 06:50:59 PM »
THREE TALL DEFENDER DRAFT PROSPECTS THAT HAVE IMPRESSED KEVIN SHEEHAN IN 2021

Josh Gibcus

GWV Rebels, NAB League / Eastpoint FC / St. Pat’s College
State: Victoria (Country)
Height: 196cm
Weight: 87kg
Date of Birth: 04/04/03

Sheehan says: “One that I want to talk about is Josh Gibcus, who plays very much like Jake Lever,” he told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.

“He’s a similar type at the same age, his size is 196 cm, he’s up at Ballarat and plays for the Rebels up there in the NAB league.

“He stepped right up for a couple of rep games this year, and that really caught the eyes of all the scouts.

“The first time was when a national group, an Under 18 group was thrown together to play Geelong’s VFL side … he stood up against the big bodies.

“He stood up in that, then he stood up again when he played a representative match for Vic Country against Vic Metro, he stood on Sam Darcy for a while that game.

“(Darcy) is a highly promising forward, well Josh Gibcus was able to match it with him.


Leek Alleer

Central Districts, SANFL
State: South Australia
Height: 195cm
Weight: 81kg
Date of Birth: 21/08/01

Sheehan says: “This boy turned 20 during the year and then was switched from the ruck and the forward (roles) he played as a junior at Central Districts, and they threw him to centre half-back.

“This boy’s had a wonderful back half of the year.

“Then at our testing session over in Adelaide, he’s broken Nic Naitanui’s record of 102 cm (for the running vertical jump), he’s gone to 107 cm.

“He’s got an absolutely magnificent spring that made him a great intercept marker, playing there in the SANFL this year.

“He’s rocketed into contention based on his senior year, the senior full year that kids in Victoria couldn’t have.


Charlie Dean

Williamstown, VFL / Sandringham Dragons, NAB League / Collegians, VAFA
State: Victoria (Metro)
Height: 195cm
Weight: 86kg
Date of Birth: 19/06/01

Sheehan says: “In his 20th year also, he had those nine games that most of the VFL boys got, but he did enough to star across half-back.

“We’ve seen him as a junior at Sandringham Dragons, but his marking is sensational and he can sneak to the other end as well and play as a forward.

“He’s really started to mature in his 20th year.

“He won an award that really has been a great lead to mature-age players (doing well in the AFL), it’s that Fothergill-Brown-Mitchell Medal … Luke Ryan’s won that, Bayley Fritsch has won that, so they normally step up and do pretty well.

“So he’s regarded as the most promising player in the VFL in Charlie Dean.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/06/three-tall-defender-draft-prospects-that-have-impressed-kevin-sheehan-in/

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #512 on: November 06, 2021, 07:35:00 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzsPLtYtCjs

Article about Johnson: https://www.afl.com.au/news/686639/covid-tests-at-1am-to-bog-wa-gun-ready-for-anything-after-wild-year

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Sounds like the Dockers are interested in Erasmus.

Ex-Dockers fitness boss Jason Weber compares Neil Erasmus’ preparation to Freo’s top-10 picks

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-draft/afl-draft-2021-ex-dockers-fitness-boss-jason-weber-compares-neil-erasmus-preparation-to-freos-top-10-picks-c-4450313

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #513 on: November 06, 2021, 08:28:48 PM »
Hobbs is seen as a replacement for Cotch by many as he has tenacity , ward ,johnson,  eramanus , Rachele , Amis are all in the ballpark but Hobbs is most likely to slip through to our pick

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #514 on: November 06, 2021, 08:52:15 PM »
No way will we let Hobbs slip through and take Andrews
Not that Andrews won’t be a good player but A class midfielder would be 1st priority.

Why the love for Hobbs

He is not fast
He is not agile
His tank isn't the biggest
His kicking is average
He has no x factor

With so many deficiencies why do posters see him as top ten pick?

He is an inside.bull, extractor and accumulator.

Prestia also isn't fast, agile clean by foot nor does he have any x factor. But before hammies he was probably one of our most important players.

Not everyone is Dustin Martin. Perhaps we have been so spoiled by having him that we forget most of them are just human.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #515 on: November 06, 2021, 10:49:44 PM »
Just a question

If Richmond picked Josh Fahey at 9 after the Daicos Darcy bids and GWS matched. What would that do to GWS pick at 13 would they lose that meaning we go up one spot in the draft at that point.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #516 on: November 06, 2021, 10:54:33 PM »
Or they don’t match and we are stuck with Fahey (likely)

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #517 on: November 06, 2021, 11:54:16 PM »
Rumour has it we would be happy to get stuck with him. Although Im on the Johnson bandwagon myself.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #518 on: November 07, 2021, 01:47:22 AM »
Just a question

If Richmond picked Josh Fahey at 9 after the Daicos Darcy bids and GWS matched. What would that do to GWS pick at 13 would they lose that meaning we go up one spot in the draft at that point.
Short answer is no.

GWS would move up to pick 9 in matching our bid to grab Fahey and we plus everyone else between pick 9 and the Giants' first (pick 15 after Daicos/Darcy bids) move back one spot.

Before bid:            After bid:
9. Rich                  9. GWS - Fahey (matching our bid)
10. Freo              10. Rich
11. StK               11. Freo
12. WC               12. StK
13. Ess               13. WC
14. Port              14. Ess
15. GWS             15. Port
16. Bris               16. Bris
17. Rich              17. Rich


ps. The Giants next pick 53 will move back to pick 58 but that doesn't affect us.

Pick 9 is worth 1469 pts. After the 20% discount, GWS will need to find 1175 pts to match our bid.

Pick 15 is worth 1112, so they will need to use up an additional 63 points from their next pick. So Pick 53 (= 233 pts) drops to 170 pts (pick 58).


pps. It's a risky strategy. As camboon says, GWS may not match our bid at that price. They may see not matching as an opportunity to effectively move up one spot in terms of the draftees still left on the board with us out of the way having used our first pick on Fahey.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #519 on: November 07, 2021, 01:43:50 PM »
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No way will we let Hobbs slip through and take Andrews
Not that Andrews won’t be a good player but A class midfielder would be 1st priority.

Why the love for Hobbs

He is not fast
He is not agile
His tank isn't the biggest
His kicking is average
He has no x factor

With so many deficiencies why do posters see him as top ten pick?

He is an inside.bull, extractor and accumulator.

Prestia also isn't fast, agile clean by foot nor does he have any x factor. But before hammies he was probably one of our most important players.

Not everyone is Dustin Martin. Perhaps we have been so spoiled by having him that we forget most of them are just human.

He is a inside bull , but to many weaknesses me for a player top 10.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2021, 05:46:41 PM by georgies31 »

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #520 on: November 08, 2021, 03:48:30 AM »
The best AFL Draft prospect for your club

Which top talent should each club be hoping to land at this month’s draft?

Mitch Keating
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November 7, 2021


RICHMOND

Mac Andrew (Dandenong Stingrays)

The Tigers will carry one of the strongest draft hands into this month's count following a bust trade period and a finish outside of the top eight in 2021.

A factor for their 4,865 draft points total comes from the departures of Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones this off-season, with the pair leaving large voids in both Richmond's attack and youthful stocks.

Draft Profile: Mac Andrew

The sky’s the limit for this versatile tall.
 
Dandenong's Mac Andrew is a versatile key position prospect coming out of Victoria.

The Egyptian-born South Sudanese player is one of the rawest prospects at the top end of the draft. Andrew's potential is also one of the highest. He has an elite level of athleticism with a great vertical leap for his size. This helped him dominate the ruck, with the ability and touch to find teammates. Those clean hands translate to around the ground, being able to mark at the highest point.

His light frame is something that opposition players will be able to exploit. At only 70kg, he will need to add size to his frame to fully realise his potential. It appears that he is already addressing those issues however.

“I’ve put on about 10 kilos this year, so I’m about 80 now,” Andrew recently told The Age.

“I’m still pretty light, but Melbourne, they gave me a [weights] program to do and I reached out to the nutritionists that they’ve got. The [Dandenong] Stingrays as well, I’ve got a lot of people helping me with it.”

Andrew is a part of Melbourne's Next Generation Academy (NGA). With the changes to the NGA rules, only players drafted outside the top 20 selections can have their bids matched. After showing significant improvement this season, Andrew has skyrocketed up the draft boards. This means that it is unlikely that Melbourne will not get the opportunity to bid on their star prospect at the National Draft.

In a draft that is light on tall prospects, Andrew finds himself at the top end of the obtainable players in his class. With Sam Darcy going to Western Bulldogs as a father-son selection, Andrew could be the next best target. His ability to play at ground level and in the air makes him one of the most unique prospects.

He is considered a long term project, who is unlikely to have a serious impact in his first few seasons. His draft range will be influenced by whether there are any trades in the top end of the draft. Teams needing tall forwards either now or in the future (Richmond, GWS, Fremantle) would all be considering Andrew in the 2-10 range.

Team: Dandenong Stingrays
Position: Ruck/Forward
Height: 200cm
Weight: 70kg

Strengths
Versatility
Athleticism
Potential

Weaknesses
Raw
Strength/size

Draft Range
2-10

Potential Landing Spots
Greater Western Sydney (Pick 2), Gold Coast (Pick 3), Fremantle (Pick 6/8), Richmond (Pick 7)

AFL Comparisons
Nic Naitanui
Luke Jackson
Paddy Ryder

Expert Comments
“He’s a 200cm boy, mobile, terrific mark, can play both ends of the ground and can play in the ruck, he’s an exciting prospect is young Mac Andrews.” - Kevin Sheehan (SEN).

"What I love about the ‘Big Mac’ is just how competitive he is. He really is a great option. When he’s in the air and the ball is up for grabs he goes for it, and he fights for it at ground level." - Cal Twomey (Sportsday WA).



https://www.zerohanger.com/the-best-afl-draft-prospect-for-your-club-93919/

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #521 on: November 08, 2021, 10:24:03 AM »
Unless they are generational type player or absolute gun I would never take a ruckman with a first rounder.  Either they take too long to come on or when they are about to they get poached like CCJ and bugger off. 
I would be very disappointed if we walked away with Mac Andrew on draft night. 

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #522 on: November 08, 2021, 11:21:17 AM »
Unless they are generational type player or absolute gun I would never take a ruckman with a first rounder.  Either they take too long to come on or when they are about to they get poached like CCJ and bugger off. 
I would be very disappointed if we walked away with Mac Andrew on draft night.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #523 on: November 08, 2021, 01:45:18 PM »
History of our first pick (which will be #9 after the Daicos/Darcy bids):


Pick 9 history since 2000

Picks: Kayne Pettifer, Luke Molan, Hamish Mcintosh, David Trotter, Jordan Russell, Mitch Clark, David Armitage, Ben McEvoy, Jack Ziebell, Andrew Moore, Dion Prestia, Adam Tomlinson, Nick Vlaustin, Christian Salem, Darcy Moore, Sam Weideman

Average games played: 120

Average Brownlow votes: 13

Combined All-Australian selections: 1

Combined club best and fairest awards: 1

Overall, this spot inside the top 10 has delivered some very good team players which may lack the accolades of other spots. The lone All-Australian selection belongs to Darcy Moore, while the one club best and fairest belongs to Dion Prestia in Richmond's 2019 premiership year.

David Armitage, Ben McEvoy, Jack Zieball, Adam Tomlinson and Nick Vlaustin have all gone on to become vital players at their respective clubs, while Christian Salem seems to be entering his prime.

Key-forward Sam Weideman has looked to break onto the scene on multiple occasions but has battled with consistency. Still young, Weideman possesses real key position talent and could mould into a quality forward for the Demons.

https://www.zerohanger.com/the-success-rate-of-top-10-draft-picks-92075/

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #524 on: November 08, 2021, 01:46:15 PM »
Prospective top-10 draft pick Mac Andrew says two of the 16 AFL clubs he has spoken to have stood out in particular.

Having held talks with all bar two AFL clubs, Andrew says the Giants and Hawks are the pair that he has connected with, peculiarly through ‘speed dating’.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/07/how-potential-top-10-draftee-connected-with-two-clubs-over-speed-dating/

Both clubs before our first pick.