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Tiges v Crows thread / We won't take Tigers lightly
« on: May 18, 2006, 08:24:46 AM »
From the 'Tizer:

 ANDREW CAPEL
18may06

RHETT Biglands says the Adelaide players are being driven by competition for positions in the team and there is no chance they will take struggling Richmond lightly at Telstra Dome on Saturday.

While Biglands expects a strong backlash from the Tigers after their shocking 118- point loss to premier Sydney last week, he said the Crows' motivation to continue to perform was being driven from within.

High-flying Adelaide, which is off to its best start to a season with a 6-1 record, has enormous depth with six players pushing for inclusion in the team that thumped the Kangaroos by 56 points and experienced pair Scott Welsh and Jason Torney poised to return from long-term injury in the SANFL.

"There is an enormous amount of pressure that's been put on (the players) from within this club," the Crows ruckman said.

"Each and every player knows there's probably three or four blokes fighting for every position. And they are in very good form, whether it be in the AFL or SANFL."

Biglands said such pressure for spots had improved every player and the evidence could be seen in their results and training form.

"That (internal pressure) improves the club as a whole," he said.

"We've been very fortunate in regards to the financial security of this club and those sort of things which take care of themselves but when you've got each and every individual on the playing list trying to improve every week, it's amazing.

"You always know you have to be performing, otherwise, particularly after a loss, more changes will come."

Adelaide expects to have key defender Nathan Bassett (neck) and rover/forward Matthew Bode (head/back) back from injury against the Tigers while Hayden Skipworth and youngsters Bernie Vince, Ivan Maric and Richard Douglas are pushing for selection with outstanding form in the SANFL.

The Crows' depth is emphasised by the fact that first-choice players Ian Perrie, Nathan Bock and Ben Hudson - sidelined for another eight weeks or more with injury - are still to come back into the team.

"There are some tough decisions for the big money earners and the coaching staff," Biglands said of Adelaide's match committee meeting to decide the 22 to take on Richmond.

Andrew McLeod (foot), Michael Doughty (abdominal strain), Bassett, Jason Porplyzia (leg) and Vince (quad) missed yesterday's main training session at AAMI Stadium but are expected to train tomorrow and be available on Saturday.

Forward Luke Jericho will miss a week with a shoulder injury.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19172531%255E25397,00.html
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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 08:28:21 AM »
Don't think they'll be taking us lightly out of respect for us, going on past comments by players, especially Scott Welsh i remember years back was quite condesending on what he thought of us.  Unfortunately, he has given us a bath on a few occasions, and is in line for a return to the line-up.  Along with Jason Torney, who wouldn't find it hard to play well against us. 

I'm predicting we'll get another touch up this week, but who knows.

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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 09:37:57 AM »
The crux of this article is that everyone wants to get a game. The next article in the Tiser talks about resting key players. The bottom line is that the Crows are already planning for a home prelim final - they are taking nearly every team lightly now and certainly won't have spent more than 10 minutes analysing Richmond. In fact, don't be surprised if the Adelaide backs bring a BBQ onto the ground, set out some deck chairs and start throwing a frisbee around. Lets hope they do.

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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 12:03:41 PM »
When we played them at TD, in 2004 I think it was, there was one passage of play where the Adelaide players had control of the footy and it just seemed like our players may as well have not even been out on the ground.  It was probably the most demoralising feeling I've ever had at a game; and that's saying something.

The sign of a good, confident team, with lots of belief, is one that spends more time on what they need to do to win, rather than focusing on the opposition.  And it probably says something about the teams that spend so much of their preparation time on the opposition.

Adelaide seem so well drilled and disciplined that even if they did take us lightly, unfortunately, we still wouldn’t get within 6 goals, I reckon.

Teams seem more able to get close to WC because of the way they play, but Adelaide, to me anyway, seem to have a harder edge to their game and just don’t let the opposition in that easily.  They would need to have an absolute shocker for some teams to even get close to them, or just be up against very good opposition.
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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2006, 03:18:58 PM »
Even when we haven't had such a young side the Crows always seem to outmuscle us. The past few years they've just played with us after blowing us away in the first half  :-\.   

The Adelaide Advertiser say Welsh and Torney will be coming back via the SANFL.





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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2006, 11:09:57 AM »
Just going through the Tiser today (which doesn't take long) there quite a bit of coverage of the Tigers - being the Glenelg Tigers (Royce Hart's old team) who are doing well this year. Hard to determine who the Crows are playing this week. When you do find it, there's little mention of the absence of a backline - just a reference to deck chair changing, and that's from Rucci, who is about the only decent footy journo they have (being a Port man he is less likely to grease up to the Crows, but fact is that if you don't you'll get cut off and be out of business).

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Understanding the Tigers (Sportal)
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 05:32:17 PM »
Understanding the Tigers
4:15:17 PM Fri 19 May, 2006
Alan Shiell
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Neil Craig says Adelaide has a 'real understanding of Richmond's mentality' for their duel at Telstra Dome on Saturday.

The Crows are steeling themselves for a full-bore assault from the Tigers, knowing Terry Wallace's men will be anxious to try to make amends for the 118-point flogging (28.12 to 9.8) they received from Sydney at Telstra Dome last Saturday.

Adelaide copped a 141-point hiding (29.15 to 6.12) from the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba in round 17 of 2004 - only Craig's fourth game as the Crows' senior coach - but rebounded to beat the Kangaroos by seven points at AAMI Stadium the following week, after the Roos had won four of their previous five matches.

Reminded of this after training on Friday, Craig said: "They (the Tigers) have been in similar shoes - not quite as good as us. We were 140-something points. They were only 118. It doesn't sound much but it's a big difference, I tell you.

"It's amazing how it turns around. It's an experience very few clubs have been through. This one has. Our playing group has - I was a part of that.

"So you have a real understanding of Richmond's mentality. It makes it pretty clear. There won't be any guessing games about what their mentality will be because we've been through it ourselves. Having said that, they've won three out of four, even though they got beaten badly last week.

"But, quite clearly, we're just concerned about the way we approach the game and how we play it. All it settles down to be is that Richmond is going to be a really strong and good opponent, plus for us it's another chance to travel and to perform. So the way it's unfolded, it's a perfect game for us.

"We'll just go out and play our game, which has got a very strong defensive component to it, but we also like to think we can attack when it's appropriate. Whatever the opposition puts up against us will be good experience for us to handle, whether it be flooding or man-on-man tactics or total attack. All those experiences we need."

Asked how much more improvement he saw in his top-of-the-ladder team, Craig said: "Internally, we think we've got huge amounts of improvement - on our teamwork, on our transition from midfield to forward, some of the work we're doing in the back line needs to be practised and exposed by the opposition. That's just on strategy and the way we like to play.

"Then, of course, improvement from individuals. It's been great for us we've played quite a few first and second-year players this year, and we'll get an opportunity to do that again. So they'll only improve.

"We've got Mark Ricciuto playing full-forward. I think once he gets more comfortable up there, and Brett Burton gets more comfortable … and we can improve when a Nathan Bock, a (Jason) Torney, a (Scott) Welsh, (Ben) Hudson-type players become available. So there's enormous improvement in us and we look forward to it.

"But you can ask any club that and they would give you similar reasons why they can improve, and that's good. It makes you want to get up in the morning.

"There'll be things bob up that we don't even know about, whether it be injury or, hopefully not, a bad loss or anything. But that's all part of growing and being able to set yourself to be able to handle any situation, whether it be good or whether it be some adversity."

Craig said the Crows' main area of improvement needed to be in the 'transition from midfield to forward', and he added: "We've had some good stuff, we've had some wasteful stuff, and we just need to keep working on it because if we don't, it'll get us."

Asked how he 'kept a lid on success', he said: "Internally, it's got to be really clear about there we're going and where we sit, how much improvement we've got, to have respect for the opposition, keep looking for ways to do it better.

"We are dealing with a competition where everything is geared around equality on the field, if possible. Every club has highly motivated people and when you've got highly motivated people … every game is a difficult game, it really is. It's not like the old days when I played (in the SANFL) when there were some easy games. In this competition, there's not, so that keeps you pretty balanced."

Nathan Bassett (neck) and Matthew Bode (head and back knocks) got through training on Friday and will resume after missing the win against the Kangaroos at Telstra Dome last Sunday.

Jason Porplyzia (knee soreness), named as an emergency, dropped out of the squad and will not play for West Adelaide in the SANFL on Saturday.

Chris Knights will go to Melbourne as the Crows' 23rd player.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=267035

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Re: We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 06:19:01 PM »
finally my internet has been reconnected, i changed server thats why i havent been online this week

now , get ready for anoother thumping this week, i cant see us being able to match adelaide at all.

but

i hope im wrong!

what makes this game special to me is that its the first time all 5 draft  picks from last yr are playing together.  i really hope , no matter what the score is , that these 5 kids, lids, bling, meyer, patto and polo all show something for us to get excited about our future, add raines , jacko, harts , foley and we just maybe be onto something.  not really expecting much from us this yr, i feel and sense terry is changing his goals for the yr and wiped the yr out. he will play the kids as much as possible and rotate them as they need game time and mileage.

in saying that, footy is a funny game, if richo turns it on, and we move the ball long and quickly, we may have a fwd setup to stretch even adelaudes defence, if they play it smart and not bomb it to richo always.


good luck to the boys this week, i just hope our kids can improve.

bling played his best game 4 us last week, shame it was in a side that got thumped and he is showing signs

krak last week with richo was our best, lets hope he continues


cogs has to stop being selfish and stop kicking with that pathetic left foot of his!

tiv has to go, i dont care what all u tiv lovers say!!!!!

foley needs more time in the middle than cogs, he is better smarter and more sure!

cogs may ghet many hard balls , but continually stuffs up, that is not good 4 us!

keep krak around the stoppages, he was brilliant last week v the swans in this area

unfortunately i cant make it this week to the game, but will listen and watch the replay1

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Wallace puts some Tiger in the tank (The Australian)
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2006, 02:16:31 AM »
Wallace puts some Tiger in the tank
The Australian
May 20, 2006

RICHMOND will draw on the encouraging response to its previous thrashing when it takes on Adelaide at Telstra Dome today.

The Tigers copped a 115-point belting by the Western Bulldogs in the opening round but bounced back to lose to St Kilda by just 11 points seven days later.

It was a match they could have won but for a few wayward shots at goal in the final quarter and a season-ending knee injury to defender Will Thursfield, who until then had kept the shackles on Saints star Nick Riewoldt.

Lining up against the competition-leading Crows after a 118-point shellacking by Sydney last weekend, Tigers coach Terry Wallace is looking for a similar effort from his 11th-placed side.

Stand-in skipper Matthew Richardson said yesterday that Wallace had talked to the players about the way they rallied after the round-one loss.

"It's a similar scenario and Terry has mentioned that we need to make sure we do that," Richardson said. "We were very competitive with St Kilda and almost should have won that game but some poor kicking in the last quarter probably cost us."

While captain Kane Johnson and fullback Darren Gaspar won't return from hamstring injuries until next week, defender Andrew Kellaway is a certain starter which will add some much-needed experience to the backline.

The injury-hit Tigers will still be undermanned against the Crows, but Richardson said the club was trying to look at the situation positively.

"We're getting games into some younger players," he said.

"We've got our five first-round draft picks from last year playing tomorrow so we're taking that as a real positive."

He said his side needed to start well to have any chance.

"We've got to make sure we're competitive, if we can hang in there with Adelaide early and be competitive a result might come our way," he said. "We're not given much of a chance but we've got nothing to lose. It's an old cliche but it's true."

Meanwhile, Adelaide midfielder Simon Goodwin has issued an ominous warning for other flag contenders, saying his side still had a lot of improvement in it.

"There's definitely areas in our game that we're not happy with at the moment and things we need to work on," he said.

He agreed with coach Neil Craig's assessment that the Crows were vulnerable in the key position department.

"We've got a couple of guys out injured at the moment with Nathan Bock and Ian Perrie so they're two pretty important players for us," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19192890-36035,00.html

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Plough's band-aid solutions (Adelaide Advertiser)
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2006, 02:20:18 AM »
Plough's band-aid solutions
By RICHARD EARLE
Adelaide Advertiser
20may06

RICHMOND is a sick unit but the medicine cabinet contains only band-aid cures for coach Terry Wallace against Adelaide today at Telstra Dome.

Richmond's backline is devastated without key-position trio Darren Gaspar, Jay Schulz and Will Thursfield.
Moreover, its fallow forward line is suffering from destitute attacking entry.

Ominously, Crows coach Craig is far from satisfied with his league-leading structure - particularly midfield transition to attack.

The 11th-placed Tigers were smashed by 118 points against resurgent Sydney last weekend and stare at another 100-point blowout.

Adelaide faces the prospect of a nine-man Tiger backline flood from the outset today.

Craig suspects the Tigers will provide the "perfect" game whether focusing on "flooding, man-on-man tactics or all-out attack".

The Crows' supremacy will allow Craig to refine his strategies, player reactions and tackle second-term fade-outs while plotting a course to victory.

There's no gimme games in an equalised AFL but it's as close to "controlled conditions" that this super scientist/budding Messiah can get.

"We think we have huge amounts of improvement to go on our teamwork, transition from midfield to forward," Craig said.

"Some of the work we are doing on the backline needs to be practised and exposed by the opposition. It's all part of growing, being able to set yourself to handle any situation and just keep going whether it be good or adversity."

Defensive manpower is Wallace's key deficiency while Adelaide's attack is now direct but unpredictable with Mark Ricciuto at full forward and Trent Hentschel coming of age in 2006.

Chris Newman looms as an underwhelming opponent for the "Roo" while 200-game jewel Joel Bowden's defensive posting on Ken McGregor deprives the Tigers of critical run.

Scott Welsh booted eight goals and Ian Perrie five in Adelaide's round 13 70-point Tiger thrashing at the Dome last season but Ricciuto, Hentschel and Brett Burton are likely to cause "Plough" more headaches.

Adelaide has banked 722 points this season - trailing only Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs and will notch its ninth straight win against Richmond.

Spearhead Matthew Richardson has kicked 16 goals this year but Richmond's forward set-up is a shambles. Just 22.7 per cent of inside 50 forays result in a goal.

Brilliant Nathan Brown's absence is hurting - Richmond has the lowest scoring percentage inside 50 (47 per cent) and worst scoring accuracy (51.3 per cent) opposed to Adelaide's 62.6 per cent.

The Tigers' strength is hard-ball gets with Shane Tuck raking in 33 and midfield off-sider Mark Coughlan 26 but their work is wasted entering 50.

The Tigers are the least effective kicking side in the competition and No. 5 for clanger kicks.

Craig said Adelaide could be "vulnerable" with Richmond adding 204cm ruckman Trent Knobel and 207cm rookie Adam Pattison in a bid to shadow the Crows with height at the back.

Remember, the Kangaroos attempted the same ploy last weekend and were destroyed by 56 points.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19192957%255E21544,00.html

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Tiges against all odds
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2006, 02:26:52 AM »
We're so much outsiders that the odds for a close Crows win are far higher than a right royal thumping  :P.

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Betting markets have Adelaide to kick the highest score of round eight and perhaps beat its record of 29.11 (185) against the Tigers in 1997.

Also, the Crows are at short odds ($2.45) to win by 60 points or more. The markets are offering bigger prices for smaller winning margins - $6 for the one-to-19-point spread, $4 for 20-39 points and $4.35 for 40-59 points.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19192954%255E21544,00.html


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Re: Tiges v Crows thread / We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2006, 02:38:20 AM »
tiv has to go, i dont care what all u tiv lovers say!!!!!

Welcome back online X lol  :thumbsup.

what makes this game special to me is that its the first time all 5 draft  picks from last yr are playing together.  i really hope , no matter what the score is , that these 5 kids, lids, bling, meyer, patto and polo all show something for us to get excited about our future, add raines , jacko, harts , foley and we just maybe be onto something. 

All those names are our 2nd and 3rd year blokes. Whether they all make it or not is another thing but nine guys 20 years of age or under is major generational change at Punt Rd. Sadly in the short term that means pain before gain and up and down efforts and results a la last week.

not really expecting much from us this yr, i feel and sense terry is changing his goals for the yr and wiped the yr out. he will play the kids as much as possible and rotate them as they need game time and mileage.

The hard draw and the first round thumping would have made that decision easier. Wallace has 5 years which sounds a long time but he's already 18 months into it and the youngsters need at least roughly 4-5 years and 60 games experience to become regular influential senior players.

Still we could end up with around the same number of wins as last year. Hawks, Bombers, Blues, Lions and possibly the Roos and Port are just as ordinary as us so they're all winnable games. Young sides also usually have a day out at least once a year and cause a major upset when everyone is up and they click. I hoping that day is against the Pies  :thumbsup. I wouldn't be surprised if we do the opposite of 2005 and come home with a bit of a rush near the end against these bottom 8 teams. It would still mean we've got a long way to go but a few second-half season wins would give the Club some momntum going into the preseason and off-field help push us past 30,000 members next year.

keep krak around the stoppages, he was brilliant last week v the swans in this area

It would have been better if Krak didn't run over the ball alot of the time  ;).
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Re: Tiges v Crows thread / We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2006, 08:30:06 AM »
I don't know if I can bear to watch this game.

Maybe we should all have bets to see how much we will lose by?  I'll say a conservative 67 points.

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Re: Tiges v Crows thread / We won't take Tigers lightly
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2006, 09:25:25 AM »

Welcome back online X lol  :thumbsup.

what makes this game special to me is that its the first time all 5 draft  picks from last yr are playing together.  i really hope , no matter what the score is , that these 5 kids, lids, bling, meyer, patto and polo all show something for us to get excited about our future, add raines , jacko, harts , foley and we just maybe be onto something. 

All those names are our 2nd and 3rd year blokes. Whether they all make it or not is another thing but nine guys 20 years of age or under is major generational change at Punt Rd. Sadly in the short term that means pain before gain and up and down efforts and results a la last week.



keep krak around the stoppages, he was brilliant last week v the swans in this area

It would have been better if Krak didn't run over the ball alot of the time  ;).

thanx mt!

yes i know those blokes are 2nd and 3rd yr players but they are still young and along with the 5 picks playing from last last yr, and the kids from this yr and the ones we will get at the end of this season, our future is gonna be ok

about krak, more than half the times he ran over the ball he was pushed in the back , i cant believe the lack of free kicks he got, the umpires were blind! there was a period near the boundary where the ball kept on getting thrown in, and krak roved every ball but was man handlled on eacj occasion and not one free given!
and at least krak knows his ability/capabilities and is a team player , unlike cogs and tiv!  ;) :thumbsup

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Re: Tiges v Crows thread - stats
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2006, 10:50:09 PM »
Team Stats

Kicks      259-172
Marks     181-102
Handballs 98-132
Tackles    35-50
Hitouts     20-16
Frees      19-15

Individual Stats

Player              K H D M HO T FF FA G B
J.Bowden        28 6 34 20 0 4 1 2 0 0
P.Bowden        19 9 28 15 0 0 2 1 0 0
A.Krakouer      19 5 24 9 0 2 1 0 1 1
T.Simmonds    19 5 24 13 9 3 1 0 2 0
M.Coughlan    11 12 23 9 0 1 0 1 1 0
A.Kellaway      17 6 23 15 0 1 2 2 0 0
K.Pettifer        20 2 22 15 0 2 1 0 1 0
B.Deledio       14 6 20 11 0 0 0 0 1 1
A.Raines        13 7 20 10 0 1 1 1 0 0
C.Newman     16 3 19 6 0 4 2 1 1 0
C.Hyde            9 8 17 7 0 2 1 0 0 1
S.Tuck           13 3 16 8 0 4 1 0 1 1
M.Richardson   10 5 15 9 0 0 0 0 0 2
G.Tivendale      9 5 14 4 0 0 0 0 0 1
N.Foley            8 4 12 3 0 2 2 1 0 0
A.Pattison        8 3 11 7 0 2 1 1 1 0
D.Polo             8 1  9 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
B.Hartigan       5 2  7 3 0 0 1 0 0 0
D.Jackson       4 3  7 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Tambling      6 1  7 6 0 3 0 0 1 0
D.Meyer         2 2  4 0 0 2 2 3 0 0
T.Knobel         1 0  1 1 11 2 0 0 0 1