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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2006, 05:48:08 PM »
we did not flood, adelaise flooded and didnt man up, and allowed us to play ro the plan teerry had organised!

That's exactly right X. What did these critics expect us to do. Kick it straight down the throats of 5 Crows zoning in our forward line  ::). Wallace was able to counter their flooding tactics and the game could have been an open free flowing more conventional spectacle if the Crows had just manned up straight away instead of waiting till the last final minutes. Terry's strategy parted the flood. Maybe his new nickname could be from now on Moses lol.
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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2006, 07:22:52 PM »
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i am really impressed because to maintain that game style all day with our "skill "level , was a gr8 achievement by the boys.

Gee X, we agree on another thing  ;D  :thumbsup

2 times in as many days, thats scary :D

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2006, 07:26:40 PM »
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i am really impressed because to maintain that game style all day with our "skill "level , was a gr8 achievement by the boys.

Gee X, we agree on another thing  ;D  :thumbsup

2 times in as many days, thats scary :D

hey bull, i have nothing against you, we cannot all think the same but at times we do. imagine we all had the same thoughts , none of us would be here discussing our team!

we may disagree at times but we are all in the wider tiger family

scary ? maybe but true lol :thumbsup

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Subdued Sheedy admits lining up the wrong man (The Age)
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2006, 01:53:03 AM »
Subdued Sheedy admits lining up the wrong man
By Stephen Rielly
The Age
May 23, 2006
 
DID Kevin Sheedy have the true culprit in the dock on Sunday night when he described the absolute possession game Richmond resorted to against Adelaide as "basketball crap"?

A number of his contemporaries believe not. Rodney Eade and Paul Roos, for instance. Even Sheedy, in oblique fashion, conceded yesterday that he might have charged the wrong man of crimes against football when he accused Richmond coach Terry Wallace of producing a style of game to defeat the heavily favoured Crows that won the four points but "might never go anywhere".

"It's important to win the four points, obviously. I don't think you can be over the top (about Wallace) because the deal in the end was that the Adelaide coach was flooding as soon as Richmond got ahead," Sheedy said. "I just don't like that possessional, uncontested marking game that footy's got at the moment."

Roos, the Sydney premiership coach who knows a little of life as a damned winner, said criticism of Wallace was misplaced. It was looking at the effect, not the cause.

"I think sometimes people fail to grasp the real problem," Roos said. "The real problem is Adelaide didn't pick anyone up. I mean, if I was the crowd, I would be booing Adelaide, not Richmond, because the only way you can actually chip the ball around is if you've actually got a free player.

"The idea of AFL football is to pick your opponent up as soon as the opposition has got the ball. If (the Tigers) choose to put players behind the ball and in the back half, the simple solution for Adelaide to get the ball back is to go 18 versus 18 and then Richmond have got no free players. If they had done that, then that would have ended the chipping."

Full article: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/05/22/1148150187544.html

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Wallace says history behind Sheedy sledge (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2006, 01:56:08 AM »
Wallace says history behind Sheedy sledge
23 May 2006   Herald Sun
Mark Stevens

TERRY Wallace last night questioned whether the ghosts of 2000 had played a part in Kevin Sheedy sledging Richmond for playing "basketball crap" in its upset of Adelaide.

As Bulldogs coach, Wallace masterminded a similar, against-the-odds, win against Sheedy's Essendon six years ago.

The Dogs' Round 21 triumph ruined Essendon's bid to go through a season unbeaten.

Wallace, who used a basketball-inspired zone defence to upset the Bombers that night, wondered if Sheedy was still smarting about missing a chance to create history.

"Sheeds has always been a very big person on history. I still think that (defeat) would burn in the back (of his mind)," Wallace said.

"It's like some of mine – the '97 preliminary final and the '84 Grand Final – we all have those."

The Tigers coach scoffed at suggestions he used basketball tactics to sink the Crows on Saturday, but said he did not take Sheedy's comments personally.

"I know Sheeds well enough. I've had a lot of fun with Sheeds along the way and I think we've had a good rapport," Wallace said.

Wallace yesterday received strong support from Tigers president Gary March.

"He (Sheedy) is a coach that's under pressure at the moment and he probably lashed out," March said.

"I'm not worried about Essendon – we beat them. It's water off a duck's back for Terry, too. We've got other teams to play that I'm more worried about."

Wallace did not know of Sheedy's comments until he sat down to watch Fox Footy on Sunday night.

When asked if he considered using keepings-off tactics to conquer West Coast on Sunday, Sheedy replied: "You can play that basketball crap all the time . . . you win four points, but you never go anywhere."

Wallace soon realised he was in for a hectic start to the week.

He said he had no contact from Sheedy yesterday. "To be honest, I don't expect to. Some things you may expect some sort of contact, but certainly not this one," Wallace said.

Wallace also found an ally in Tigers legend and traditionalist Tom Hafey, who supported the tactics – as long as they remained a one-off.

Although Hafey has strong concerns about the direction of the game – claiming anyone could win stats at times – he said four points could be more important than aesthetics.

"The important thing is the side has a win," Hafey said.

But Hafey has warned the Tigers not to repeat their tactics this week.

"You're not going to win premierships with that style, I've got no doubt about that," Hafey said. "These teams who do that often try it the next week and get annihilated."

Sydney coach Paul Roos said the real culprit was Adelaide, for its slow response to Richmond's strategy. "If I was the crowd, I would be booing Adelaide," Roos said.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said there would be no kneejerk reaction to the bizarre day of record-breaking stats.

"The Laws of the Game committee meets at least twice a year and won't make a decision on one game or a select group of games. It looks at the game as a whole," Anderson said.
 
 http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19225414%255E20322,00.html

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Re: Wallace says history behind Sheedy sledge (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2006, 01:17:17 PM »
"He (Sheedy) is a coach that's under pressure at the moment and he probably lashed out," March said.

Really  ???  :rollin :lol :clapping :rollin  ;D

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"I'm not worried about Essendon – we beat them. It's water off a duck's back for Terry, too. We've got other teams to play that I'm more worried about."


Me too  ;D

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AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said there would be no kneejerk reaction to the bizarre day of record-breaking stats.

"The Laws of the Game committee meets at least twice a year and won't make a decision on one game or a select group of games. It looks at the game as a whole," Anderson said.
 

Poor AA - muddled again it would seem.... I mean fair dinkum when doesn't the AFL have a kneejerk reaction to anything ;D
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Gone fishing for four points (HUN by T Wallace)
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2006, 03:24:46 PM »
Gone fishing for four points
23 May 2006   Herald Sun
Terry Wallace

MINUTES after our victory against Adelaide on Saturday, I spoke to the players and warned them the game would spark varying opinions.

We knew Richmond supporters would care only about claiming four points against a team we supposedly had no hope of beating, while those who are concerned about the aesthetics of the game would be calling for blood.

What I didn't anticipate in this conversation was the fuel that was added to the fire by Kevin Sheedy on Sunday.

How Richmond got embroiled in Sheeds' post-match media conference is quite bemusing and, in some ways, insulting.

In my tenure as a coach and media analyst I have been embroiled in my fair share of controversy, so all I do now is have a chuckle and get on with the next task at hand.

But for those hundreds of thousands of basketball fans who take their kids around every weekend, the game, at times, seems an easy pot shot for the "bully boy" mentality of some football people.

It's true that as a kid I grew up loving basketball, playing in junior representative sides.

Ten days ago, I gave up my Saturday night after our 118-point loss to Sydney to speak to the Victorian under-18 squad that was preparing for the national titles.

In my junior sporting days I have no doubt I was discriminated against by footy fathers because of my basketball background.

Eventually I left my local area because these people were not open-minded enough to accept that I actually had enough skill in both games to be worthy of selection.

Yet 35 years later it appears this mentality still exists.

The facts of Saturday's game were that our game plan had nothing to do with basketball.

In that sport you need to move the ball out of the back court within 8sec and you have a shot clock that guarantees the game remains at a rapid attacking pace.

What we did on Saturday was much more like fishing.

We threw out a lure for Adelaide to stop flooding numbers behind the ball.

Our idea was to lure the Crows to playing one on one instead of having their wings and half-forwards push down defensively and then run in a tidal wave back to their goals.

Sheeds should understand that this is called transition and all transitional games around the world – soccer, hockey, basketball – have tempo play involved.

To suggest you can't win the premiership playing tempo football is quite ridiculous. Anyone who knows our game will tell you Sydney is the master of this style of play.

To all Tigers supporters, be assured we are developing for future success and working on a style of game that is attacking and creative.

In our three victories on end leading up to our Round 7 loss to Sydney, we were the No. 1 inside 50 team in the AFL.

The hat-trick culminated in an attacking victory over Essendon in the Dreamtime game at the MCG.

Our club had also set its sights on developing a group of young players. The club has 30 players under 24 years of age, 11 teenagers and 20 under the age of 21.

Although our record stands at 4-4, we have tried more players at senior level than any other club this year.

This controversy reminds me of the furore that broke out from the evening I coached the Bulldogs in Round 21, 2000.

That night we were playing the rampaging Essendon, which was striving to go through the season unbeaten.

The team at the time was devastated by injury so we put a plan in place to play a zone defence to restrict their superstars. This was a basketball tactic and I wonder whether Sheeds is still smarting because he would have been in the record books for all time.

Just like 2000, on the weekend we went into this game massively undermanned.

What has been lost amid all the tactical discussion is that I had a group of players who were tough enough to win first use of the footy, tackled hard and kept the opposition under pressure for four quarters.

I think their performance in this area has been undersold.

The state of the game is important to everyone who is a stakeholder. But fans still want to be able to come through the turnstiles knowing their team will be doing everything in its powers to get a victory in each and every game.

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2006, 04:46:38 PM »
Bombers coach errs by turning on his own kind
By Caroline Wilson
May 23, 2006

IN A weekend of football-related media stunts that blurred the lines between theatre and reality, it was fitting that Kevin Sheedy chose after a record seventh loss to turn the spotlight not towards his 16th-placed Bombers but instead to his old foe, Terry Wallace.

Fitting but out-of-line, unsporting and not a little hypocritical. No one has ever denied what the legendary Essendon coach has done for the game. Andrew Demetriou told this columnist on the weekend an AFL job was waiting for Sheedy whenever he wanted it.

But neither can it be denied that the old fox at times can turn on his own. Nor can it be disputed that Sheedy himself has sacrificed the more spectacular and even sporting elements of football in the name of victory. And who could blame him?

Sheedy invented icing the clock. The 15-metre penalty was expanded to 50 metres two decades ago in response to Essendon's tendency to jump on opponents who marked and showed even the slightest sign of playing on. Remember Michael Long's treatment of Troy Simmonds in the 2000 grand final? Sheedy had no issue with that.

He remained on the front foot early yesterday, telling his old teammate Kevin Bartlett on SEN that he had been watching the Richmond-Adelaide game on TV but turned it off — presumably in disgust. He said that flooding was ruining the game and should be outlawed.


Certainly it ruined his perfect record in 2000 when Wallace's Bulldogs flooded and inflicted the Bombers' only loss for the season. But on Saturday it was Neil Craig who initially flooded, not Wallace, who simply took Adelaide on at its own game and won.

Later yesterday Sheedy back-pedalled to The Age and conceded he might have picked on the wrong coach. The truth is he shouldn't have picked on anyone. Wallace, who played basketball for years, was emblazoned on the back page of one newspaper yesterday in basketball gear.

Sheedy said on Sunday: "You look at Terry, you look at me and we're very different people. I hope." That comment could be taken as somewhat personal. The fact is that two days ago his team put in a gallant performance against a premiership favorite and lost.

On Saturday Richmond did the same and won, albeit in a far inferior spectacle. The young Tigers, who have not experienced what it's like to win on even a semi-regular basis, learnt a thing or two about self-belief.

Fans do not blindly accept a win here and there in a rebuilding period as the be-all and end-all. But you don't need to question whose supporters went to bed happier on Sunday.


This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/05/22/1148150187553.html

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2006, 05:05:04 PM »
Article in today's Gold Coast Bulletin by John Salvado

"Sheedy not grinning - or winning"

Whoever coined the phrase that "winners are grinners and losers can please themselves" would be entitled to raise a quizzical eyebrow about Kevin Sheedy's comments regarding Richmond and coach Terry Wallace.

For the vast majority of Sheedy's extraordinary 26-year AFL coaching tenure the Bombers have indisputably been winners.

As Sheedy is so fond of saying, his coaching record reas four premierships from seven grand final appearances - plus two one-point preliminary final losses and only six seasons without any  September action.

The comparison with Richmond's record since 1982 could hardly be more stark.

The team which rode roughshod over the competition by winning five flags between 1967-80 has falled on the toughest of times, with only two finals campaigns in the last 23 completed seasons.

In that time the Tigers have flirted with bankruptcy and gone through 11 coaches.

So with Essendon propping up the ladders with a dreadful seven-game losing streak, what does Sheedy do?

He tees off at Wallace's tactics in Saturday's victory over premiership favourites Adelaide.

(.... then the bit about winning premierships not playing basketball ....yadda yadda yadda...)

The Tigers went into the Telstra Dome clash having lost their last eight matches to the Crows.

TAB Sportsbet listed Adelaide as the near unbackable favourites at $1.11 with Richmond the roughshod of the round at $5.75.

So it's hardly surprising the Richmond theme song with sung with even more gusto (there you go Oxx!) after the Tigers recorded a famour three-point win.

Coaches often get mroe credit - and blame - for the on-field fortunes of their team than they deserve.

But this was a victory that had Wallace's fingerprints all over it.

The ultra-high possession style that meant Richmond finished the game with an all-time record of 181 marks - all but 18 of them were uncontested - was crucial in ensuring the victory.

Unattractive?  Yes.

Effective?  Absolutely.

Certainly, losing Crows coach Neil Craig had no problems with the Tigers' tactics.

So Richmond improved their win-loss record to four-four and sit outside the top eight on percentage only.

And Essendon are last.

No wonder Wallace took Sheedy to taks for suggesting he was the only one building towards a premiership.

Wallace also stressed the keepings-off style was not something he planned to implement on a regular basis.

Perhaps the most surprising of all, Sheedy got personal.

"Terry can do what he wants to do, you look at Terry and you look at me, we're very different people - I hope," said Sheedy, a playing legend at Tigerland before changing stripes to coach the Bombers.

"It's none of my business (you got that right), if he wants to play a game of billiards up the back the good luck to him."

Given his time over again Sheedy would probably have kept personalities out of it.

One other thing worth remembering is that the wily Essendon boss is the master of diversion.  And this spat has certainly drawn attention away from the Bomber's off-field woes.


John Salvado is apparently from AAP.

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Basketball Terry (Sportal)
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2006, 05:30:38 PM »
Basketball Terry
4:22:40 PM Tue 23 May, 2006
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Richmond coach Terry Wallace has made light of Kevin Sheedy's "basketball crap" jibe by jiving into his regular Tuesday media conference twirling a basketball on his finger to the accompaniment of the Harlem Globetrotters' signature tune, 'Sweet Georgia Brown'.

Wallace said he didn’t take personally Sheedy's curt criticism of the Tigers' 'keepings-off' tactics which helped the club to secure a famous victory over Adelaide at Telstra Dome on Saturday.

"You can play that basketball crap all the time … you win four points, but you never go anywhere," Sheedy replied when asked if the Bombers should have played 'keepings-off' against West Coast on Sunday.

Wallace said his grand entrance to his media conference reflected just how seriously he'd taken the debate in the media over the past 48 hours.

"I haven’t spoken to Kev, and I didn't think there was any need from either party," Wallace said.

"I took (his comments) openly and didn’t take it as a personal affront, but it had no issue from a personal basis."

Wallace said that he was especially looking forward to matching it with Sheedy in round 21 when the clubs are drawn to clash at the MCG.

"We'll cross paths somewhere along the line - I think he was talking about a Hot August Night when the two sides meet each other next time around," Wallace said.

"I have enormous admiration for Sheeds as a coach and from my aspect I have no problems with regards to our relationship whatsoever."

Quizzed about personnel changes for Saturday's match against Geelong at Skilled Stadium, Wallace kept the one-liners coming.

"We'll probably get the opportunity to get a couple of players back into the line-up - that'll be pleasing for us," Wallace said.

"I don’t know whether it's Gaze and Anstey that will be coming into the side…"

http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=268054

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2006, 06:29:01 PM »
 :lol

What a pee-er TW was today with his press conference!

Coming out spinning a basketball with globetrotter music in the background!!!

I love it! :cheers

IN YOUR FACE SHEEDS!!!!!

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2006, 11:28:57 PM »
:lol

What a peeer TW was today with his press conference!

Coming out spinning a basketball with globetrotter music in the background!!!

I love it! :cheers

IN YOUR FACE SHEEDS!!!!!

Just saw Wallace with the basketball on Sports Tonight. Great stuff!  :ROTFL
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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2006, 01:50:00 AM »
From: Sheedy stirs Tigers, now for the Eagles
The Age
May 24, 2006

Sheedy, who after criticising Richmond coach Terry Wallace for his tactics in its shock three-point win over Adelaide on Saturday, admitted yesterday that the Tigers were possibly closer to a premiership than his Bombers.

"Obviously they are at the moment because they beat us by a kick last time," he said referring to the two-point Tigers win at the MCG in round six. "But by round 21, they mightn't be."

Full article: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/05/23/1148150255039.html

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Pagan says he wanted to use our 'keepings off' tactic
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2006, 06:30:04 PM »
Poor ol' Sheeds lol.

Tigers stole our thunder: Pagan
3:34:46 PM Wed 24 May, 2006
Jennifer Witham
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Carlton coach Denis Pagan says the Tigers have beaten the Blues to the punch by playing keepings off to defeat the Crows at Telstra Dome last Saturday.

Pagan told his Wednesday media conference that he was considering employing the very same tactics against Adelaide at AAMI Stadium this coming Saturday, but will now have to think up something new.

"(The Tigers) were very good with what they did," Pagan said.

"I wish they hadn't of done it then…because we were going to do it anyway. So we can't now and we'll have to come up with something different."

While Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy was outspoken in his criticism of the tactics, Pagan – who said he was on the edge of his seat towards the end of the game - congratulated Richmond for employing them and coming away with the win.

"I just thought Richmond were outstanding. It was a fascinating game to watch, I was intrigued by it, and the way they did it and executed it was sensational," Pagan said.

"They've stolen our thunder so we'll have to come up with something different now."

Full article: http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=268341

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Re: Sheeds takes aim at Wallace
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2006, 07:30:44 AM »
Bogut backs Terry Wallace
24 May 2006   Herald Sun
Jim Wilson

AUSTRALIAN basketball superstar Andrew Bogut has made himself available for the Boomers' world title campaign and the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

But the NBA star's return to the national squad was overshadowed at yesterday's announcement when he was quizzed about the row between rival AFL coaches Terry Wallace and Kevin Sheedy.

Bogut left no doubt what he thought of Sheedy's "basketball crap" comment about Wallace's successful tactics against Adelaide on Saturday.

"That basketball crap is played all around the world and it's probably the No. 2 sport in the world behind soccer," Bogut said.

"So it can't be too crap if every country in the world is playing it. I think footy is only played in how many countries? One I think."

It was a measured dig from someone who has grown up in Melbourne and is an AFL fan.

Bogut said after watching Richmond's win, Wallace's tactics would become common practice at the elite level.

"I think a lot of teams are going to adapt that style now and you can win like that," Bogut said.

"It's ugly but if you get the win and get to the Grand Final, fans will be happy."

Boomers coach Brian Goorjian said he enjoyed watching Wallace's tactics, but believed the AFL would eventually have to look at rule changes.

"I think Terry did an outstanding job and I think it was great for the sport," Goorjian said. "One of the things that has transpired in basketball is the half-court line and 24sec clock. I have always thought it was a matter of time that strategies like that are put in place in football.

"You control the tempo of the ball, have less kicks at goal, keep the game close and have a chance to win. Football over the course of time will have to change its rules."

Goorjian said rules similar to the half-court line and 24sec clock would eventually come into football.

Bogut said he was committed to raising the profile of basketball in Australia.

"I'm trying to promote the game more and want more kids picking up a basketball, as opposed to a footy, or a rugby or soccer ball," Bogut said.