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Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« on: March 23, 2022, 03:28:12 PM »
“THIS ISN’T FOR ME AN OVERREACTION TO ROUND 1”: CORNES WORRIED TIGERS ERA IS OVER

By Mae James
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23 March 2022


Port Adelaide games record holder Kane Cornes believes that Richmond’s golden era is over.

Richmond experience their first Round 1 loss to Carlton since 2012 after their team's 25-point loss last Thursday. SEN SA Breakfast hosts Cornes and Andrew Hayes have stated that they feel this is an indication of what’s to come for the yellow and black.

“This isn’t for me an overreaction to Round 1,” Cornes said.

“This has been building, they’ve won three out of the last 10 (premierships), their best players always get injured, and their best players are old, now that’s the price you pay for success.

“If someone said to me your team is going to win three flags in the next 20 years I would take it, let alone three flags in the last six years and with that you pay a bit of a price … so I think the era is over,” he finished.

Four-time SANFL premiership player Hayes agreed with his co-host.

“Richmond’s era and their dynasty that has been around for four or five years, I think it’s done.”

“There’s a lot of Richmond fans out there who are still bullish that the Tigers can give it one more crack because right now the players that were the absolute catalyst for those premierships, it’s going to sound harsh, but they are probably past their prime.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/03/22/this-isnt-for-me-an-overreaction-to-round-1-cornes-worried-tigers-era-is/

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2022, 03:59:32 PM »
Sadly he might be right.  When we don't bring pressure we are a bottom 4 side. 
I used to love it when other teams just couldn't escape their defensive 50 or get it pat the wing.
Remember when we used to destroy teams in the last 10 minutes of quarters and last quarter of games.  Where has that gone?

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2022, 04:56:02 PM »
Kane should be more worried that his career is about to be over.

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2022, 05:04:39 PM »
Sadly he might be right.  When we don't bring pressure we are a bottom 4 side. 
I used to love it when other teams just couldn't escape their defensive 50 or get it pat the wing.
Remember when we used to destroy teams in the last 10 minutes of quarters and last quarter of games.  Where has that gone?
Probably same place you’d find pressure and full body tackling.  :rollin
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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2022, 05:17:15 PM »
"worried".....lmao....
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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2022, 08:13:01 PM »
Sure , about as worried as I am of  his bad breath and the rash I heard he has developed or his opinion on anything Richmond.

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2022, 09:28:45 AM »
The era of Dynasty teams always finishes so not sure why he would worry. Unless he won't have as much to mudrake to keep his click count high

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2022, 12:25:33 PM »
The era of Dynasty teams always finishes so not sure why he would worry. Unless he won't have as much to mudrake to keep his click count high

True Gracie but I feel the hawks era didn’t seem as sharp as I suspect ours is.

Without any midfielders in this latest draft, we may be close to the bottom for years.



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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2022, 12:52:38 PM »
Hawthorn topping up combined with Clarkson's superior coaching was able to delay the inevitable for a couple of years....but they're paying for it now....we've at least started to bite the bullet by hitting the draft and didn't trade out all our draft capital even while were up like they pretty much did....... :shh

 
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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2022, 12:56:15 PM »
We need the last crop to be good. Gibcus looks ok. Lets see what the rest bring to the table.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2022, 09:04:43 PM »
We need the last crop to be good. Gibcus looks ok. Lets see what the rest bring to the table.

At least we have the HBF sorted for the next decade at both AFL and VFL level.

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2022, 01:05:59 PM »
Hawthorn topping up combined with Clarkson's superior coaching was able to delay the inevitable for a couple of years....but they're paying for it now....we've at least started to bite the bullet by hitting the draft and didn't trade out all our draft capital even while were up like they pretty much did....... :shh

Not looking for an argument here but i have never  bought into them topping up and TOTALLY missing out on young players.

From 2010 onwards yes they traded out of top 30 picks and the only one i would not have done is Wingard.

2010 They went and got David Hale they needed a ruck fwd and they knew they were close to another flag so they were getting needs. they paid pick 27 for a 26yo who played a significant role in their flags. Pretty astute if you ask me.

2011 they paid 24, 46, 63 for Gunston who was just 20 so they got a 20yo  kid instead of a 18 19 yo kid.In anyones language he has had a very good career for Hawthorn and would play in all three premierships.

2012 just lost a g/f and the need was for a full back. They gave up a bit for a 30yo in Lake  21 and 43, but he was the missing defensive piece to the puzzle and play kpd in three premierships. They would later add an ageing Frawley thru f/a. As we are finding out KPP'S just dont grow on trees.

 they gave up pick 27 and 63 for 20 yr old Jed Anderson. Yep he was a bust but still a kid and they obviously thought him a better bet than any kid in the draft around that pick. 20yr old is hardly a top up.

2013 They wanted a ruckman with max bailey retireing they used pick 18 on 24 yr old McEvoy hes been a good  investment for 8 or 9 seasons now.

2014 they traded for ORourke  with 19 and 40 another kid at just 20yrs. Like Anderson a bust for them but hardly a top up at 20.
Highly touted and bust or not they thought it worth a go.

2015 they used their picks. having just won three in a row.

To this point i think they have got it right. From here is where it gets interesting and depends on what your definition to  topping up is.

2016 they traded pick 10 and a second  for O'Meara he was 22 at the time still a kid basically who was just getting thru issues.Is a 22yo opting out of taking kids not imo.

Tom Mitchell was also taken this year  at age 23 they gave up picks 16 and 58. probably about as old as you want in giving up first rounders for a player.  He  would go on to win a brownlow be runner up win three best and fairests and make two a/a teams. We got Prestia as a 24 year old and i bet most don't look at him being a top up not at age 24.

2017 They traded for Jarman Impey a 22 year old with picks 33 and a 4th rounder. Top up nope. 22 yo Impey or pick 33.This imo is not ignoring youth.

2018 They made finals and did not read the writing on the wall they traded for Wingard and what a mistake imo. They gave up Burton a kid, 18 and 40 when they should have been going to the draft.

2019 - 2021 they have gone to the draft.

For me 22 23 yr olds are not top ups. top ups for me are players who are short term fixes.The 22 23 year olds they took  are very much medium to long term players for any club who takes them imo.

Any way just a different way of looking at it

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2022, 04:11:25 PM »
Hawthorn topping up combined with Clarkson's superior coaching was able to delay the inevitable for a couple of years....but they're paying for it now....we've at least started to bite the bullet by hitting the draft and didn't trade out all our draft capital even while were up like they pretty much did....... :shh

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A good analysis and fair point. Only real mistake they've made is the 2018 period.

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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2022, 07:25:34 PM »
Hawthorn topping up combined with Clarkson's superior coaching was able to delay the inevitable for a couple of years....but they're paying for it now....we've at least started to bite the bullet by hitting the draft and didn't trade out all our draft capital even while were up like they pretty much did....... :shh

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Any way just a different way of looking at it


A good analysis and fair point. Only real mistake they've made is the 2018 period.


One other glaring omission was the trading of pick 29 (Bolton) for free agent T. Vickery. Hit a home run there didn't they
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Re: Cornes worried Tigers era is over (SEN)
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2022, 07:32:41 PM »
Everyone in the media clutching their pearl necklaces.
Personally all great teams come to an end.
Winning three when most didn’t think we’d win one.
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