List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist

[Broadsword]

Ok, now that we are officially a rubbish team again it's time to fantasize about list management during our return to the top.

RETIRE

Riewoldt
Edwards
Lambert

DELIST

Caddy
Castagna
Aarts
Parker

Trade

Ross
RCD

7 players could easily go just this year--and that's just for starters.

Good signs from Sonsie and Cumberland today.

If we can trade in some young A-grade mids and draft a couple of young KPFs then it might not hurt for too long--but we need young guys with upside who can run out games now.

Taranto, Hopper, Fogarty ...

[TigerLand]

I wouldn't retire Jack. He can't be main forward. We need another tall forward when Lynch isn't there. It is not Balta.

[TigerLand]

Personally think a dumb club like Essendon or North would take Castagna for a 3rd.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Ok, now that we are officially a rubbish team again it's time to fantasize about list management during our return to the top.

RETIRE

Riewoldt
Edwards
Lambert

DELIST

Caddy
Castagna
Aarts
Parker

Trade

Ross
RCD

7 players could easily go just this year--and that's just for starters.

Good signs from Sonsie and Cumberland today.

If we can trade in some young A-grade mids and draft a couple of young KPFs then it might not hurt for too long--but we need young guys with upside who can run out games now.

Taranto, Hopper, Fogarty ...

Agree with pretty much all of that.

There’s a lot that needs to be done.

[Andyy]

Merge with my other thread same.topic.

[Tiger Khosh]

So with bakes resigning we’ve now got the following players out of contract at years end.

Cotch
Edwards
Riewoldt
RCD
Cumberland
Martyn
D.Rioli
MRJ
Ross
Stack
Aarts
Pickett
Miller
Biggy
Colina?

The 3 champs are either going to retire or sign 1 year extensions at the end of the season.

Think D.Rioli will be the next priority resigning and everyone else will need to wait until the end of the season.

Can honestly see all the rest except Martyn being offered extensions. You could say Aarts shouldn’t be offered but if he keeps getting games above the others on the list then surely they’d be gone before him. RCD and Stack are the interesting ones for me. Not getting a look in for the most part but maybe they see the light at the end of the tunnel with a few retirements on the way.

[the claw]

starting point for me is the numbers we have in each area ie mids breaking them down to type inside, outside, both, and size, small  182cm and under, med 183cm - 189 and  tall 190+. Then its age longevity and quality.

The club has the following players named as mids
Prestia, Bolton, Sonsie, Dow short, Graham Edwards. All smalls imo
Cotchin, Ross, Pickett, Martin as mediums imo.
McIntosh, RC-D at tall mids imo.

Just in numbers i think we are 3 or 4 mids shy of where we need to be. Especially bigger medium and tall mids where the numbers are low. But age with  Cotchin, Martin, and Pickett all at least 30 next year and being in a group of just 4 medium mids is perilous.
Imo this is exacerbated by McIntosh just being average and RC-D possibly gone as we dont seem to rate him at all.

Can do it for all types and we do need to break down the roles especially with the talls on the list.

[Broadsword]

Just in numbers i think we are 3 or 4 mids shy of where we need to be. Especially bigger medium and tall mids where the numbers are low but age with  Cotchin, Martin, and Pickett all at least 30 next year and being in a group of just 4 medium mids.
Imo this is exacerbated by McIntosh just being average and RC-D possibly gone as we dont seem to rate him at all.

Agree very much with this. It's nice to be able to mix things up at a stoppage or center clearance by throwing the smaller, clever types like Edwards, Bolton, and Baker in there, but they can't be doing the bulk of the work. Need bigger bodies desperately.

[one-eyed]

Hardwick is aware that the roster he won three flags with is in transition and tough calls will have to be made, with clubs often fond of staggering retirements.

Cotchin believes he is playing well enough to earn another contract – Hardwick said he was having a ‘great’ year – and Riewoldt hinted he would continue, while Edwards planned to join the management team from the list of retired Tigers.

But when Edwards will make that leap is yet to be determined.

“Kane Lambert has retired and we’re going to work our way through those other decisions with those players,” he said.

“They have been exceptional servants to us. But the first thing we have to think about is what is the best thing for Richmond Football Club.

“These players understand how it works; they were part of that system and created that system for what it is today. So what does it look like moving forward? we have time.

Source: West Australian.

[Andyy]

Good news only Cotch and Jack to go on.

[the claw]

Over the next few years id hope we look to actually realign the list as far as size goes.
By that i mean look at the numbers of small, mediums,and talls we have. Imo it is way out of kilter with way too many smalls.

I reckon we have so many smalls because its easier to find an okay player there than it is with mediums and talls. In some ways it has become a sort of mantra with us where its better to play a small who will give you something than a tall who will give little. The trouble with that is you tend to keep taking smalls rather than doing the hard yards with the others.

How many smalls do we need at the most two small defenders especially when most clubs are lucky to have one in the team.
Small fwds  id say two maybe three specialist small fwds that does not include your classy small mids who have a nose for goals.
Of course your classy and also nuggety small mids, the number imo depends on the quality and versatility here. One thing for sure though these small mids need bigger medium and tall mids to bear the bulk of the load.

I count 16 smalls and imo that should be closer to around 10. What happens with so many smalls is you tend to be light on for Talls and mediums and that is certainly the case with us.

Your medium sized players are the key to your list we have just 12 and Caddy and Parker are now retired that number is down to just 10.

Throw in two facts W Martyn J Ross are under the pump,and have to take steps up or could easily be gone. imo it does not look good with either. Also RC-D  a big tall  mid at 191cm  one of just two we have is probably gone as well.
Then throw in Cotchin if he goes again will be 33 next year, picket will be 31 Dusty will be 31.In the blink of an eye we could be down to as few as 6 or 7 medium sized players.

Excluding the two tall mids we have we have just 12 talls imo this should be closer to 16.

 Imo the breakdown should go 4 KPF, 4 KPD, 2 Tall FWDS, 2 Tall DEF. 3 Rucks 1 ruck/fwd.

We have

2 KPF, 1 Tall FWD. In a bit of trouble here given Riewoldts age
5KPD, 2 Tall DEF.  including 33yo Tarrant and Balta who could become a fwd who knows so the numbers are good given Tarrant will retire in a year. Grimes as a Tall def is also 31 and Broad is 29. Probably should be looking at a similar type and size to Grimes.

With Cumberland and Parker retireing we have just the one medium sized fwd and cumberland at 183 is a small medium. we could do with another one here at the end of the scale.

Just a few thoughts on it people may disagree but i think we suffer in games because of our size and all the rule changes have not helped us.

[Andyy]

Cumberland at 183 is a small.

Medium I'm thinking probably at least 185-192. Jack not overly tall but always played tall due to aerial ability.

[camboon]

Yep 6 foot tall ,  Cumberland has very good hands / marking  so probably plays as a medium / small but either way we are light on forwards over 6 foot

[Andyy]

Well a few months have changed some things.

2022 retirements
Caddy tick or was to be traded/delisted anyway
Lambert a year earlier than I hoped but tick
Edwards needs to happy

2023 retirements
Jack another year
Cotch another year
Tarrant contracted and looking good but he's old

Prestia has got his body right and looks the goods so keep for me until he's cooked.

Remove Cumberland from the Delistings. Keep the rest on that list TBH.

Take Rioli off the trade table.

Trade or delist Castagna.

Even for the most optimistic supporters I think the writing must be on the wall now. Timing your run still means winning games like Carlton and Saints when you have handy leads in the 3rd quarter but we have clearly lost our ability to run out games against even modestly talented teams.

I suspect this is because the oldies are too old and the youngsters are too green or not good enough.

Lots of retirements and delistings should be on the agenda IMO. Even if we stagger the retirements I'd like to see something like this:

2022 retirements
Cotchin
Riewoldt
Edwards

2023 retirements
Lambert
Prestia (would like to negotiate an early retirement here)
Tarrant (going fine now but we need a kid here)

2022 delistings
RCD
Martyn
Aarts
Ross
Nyuon
Cumberland
Stack

Kids who need to have a shot at the expense of older blokes
Miller
Mansell
Rest of the 2021 draftees

Trade bait
Rioli
Castagna
Caddy


Unfortunately not a lot to get excited about IMO, bar Balta and Bolton. Both have flags and might look elsewhere.

[tdy]

While we can posit who we would like to trade keep delist I suspect injuries will force our hand on a few of the older ones. Prestia and Grimes come to mind. Lambert and Caddy are already gone due to body issues. And it's only after the retirements due to old age that we can look at the rest.