Has Dimma sold the farm for one last flag crack? (HeraldSun)

[one-eyed]

Has Dimma sold the farm for one last flag crack?

Scott Gullen
HeraldSun
1 November 2022

Three flags in four years should have the joint named after Damien Hardwick, but have the Tigers gone all in for one last premiership crack to see veterans out on a high?

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DAMIEN HARDWICK (Richmond)

Coaches pressure rating: Warming up

Again this heat watch is not about Dimma’s tenure at Punt Rd. Three flags in four years means he should have the joint named after him but there is a clear selling-the-farm-for-one-last-crack vibe at the Tigers next year. Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper on 25-year deals say they’re loading up the midfield to help Dusty have one last “I’m the best player in the land” year and win Trent, Jack and Dylan a flag on their way out.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/scott-gullan-analyses-every-coachs-pressure-rating-ahead-of-the-2023-season/news-story/35742697d75bac547190d5868ea2fc6f

[Broadsword]

Has Scott Gullen used clickbait title to score article reads?

We can all ask ungenerous questions if we want. Big deal.

[Andyy]

They make it sound like coaches do all the list management etc

[Tiger Khosh]

Also make it seem like we gave up 3 top 5 picks. 3 mid-late teen picks for 2 gun players with 5+ years of their best footy ahead of them.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

What did the Cats give up for Jeremy Cameron?
How’s that looking for them right now????

[one-eyed]

The RFC responds with this article:


Tigers’ list in good shape for the now and the future

To suggest it’s a case of all or nothing for Richmond in 2023 is way off the mark.

By Tony Greenberg
Richmond Media
2 November 2022

There is a view being expressed by sections of the AFL football media that Richmond has “sold the farm for one last flag crack”.

Such opinion is based on the Club’s recruitment of star midfield pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper from Greater Western Sydney during the recent trade period, with both players receiving seven-year deals at Tigerland.

The criticism of Richmond’s list-management strategy is uninformed.

Just a little bit of research by those media members would reveal that the Tigers secured five young players in the top 30 of last year’s national draft – Josh Gibcus, Tom Brown, Tyler Sonsie, Sam Banks and Judson Clarke.

Three of those talented Tiger cubs – Gibcus, Sonsie and Clarke – debuted at AFL level during the 2022 season, along with Bigoa Nyuon and Noah Cumberland, while Brown and Banks showed plenty of promise at VFL level.

All five of the 2021 draftees have had their playing contracts extended, in a clear sign of how highly rated they are within the Club.

“We made an investment in the draft last year and it’s good to get those guys locked away long term,” Richmond’s general manager of football talent Blair Hartley said on the post-season special episode of the Club’s Talking Tigers podcast.

“They’ve all shown great signs and they’re important to our future.

“We’re looking forward to what they bring us next year . . .

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1243960/tigers-list-in-good-shape-for-the-now-and-the-future

[Andyy]

A much better and accurate perspective

[the claw]

A much better and accurate perspective

Hmm perspective. Well we sort of had to invest in the nd in 2021 as we traded out of it in 2020. Now we trade out of the nd again in 2022.
If we look at the draft over the last three seasons our investment with picks goes.

2020 - 40,51.
2021 - 9, 17, 28,29,30,
2022 - 53, 63.

Thats just nine picks and if you spread and balance out all the picks out over the  three years it goes like this.

2020 - 9, 40,63,
2021 - 17,30,53,
2022 - 28,29,51.
Broken down like that it means minimal involvement for three seasons and it is not eaxactly brimming with top end picks.
That means outside of one season in the last three our investment has been just picks 40, 51, 53, 63.
Okay we got two good players but the club can hardly claim it has been investing heavily in the draft in recent years as they seem to be doing.
It takes more than one draft to build a list we all know that.In many ways the journos are right to question.

[Broadsword]

Grrrr. You're right. I hate to admit it but you're right.

I'll never forgive Richmond for winning those premierships and sliding down the draft order from 2017 to 2021.

What could have been.

[the claw]

lol i just love what just a little bit of real perspective does to people.
We have had an opportunity to be more involved in the draft low finishes or flags we have chosen not to.
To get cut up when people question the strategy is quite amusing.
I suppose we havent lacked for mids or for that matter talls we dont lack for for class and polish to infer we get everything right is just ridiculous.
In case you have not noticed we have not won a final in two seasons and the list is getting ancient well the better players are.
If Taranto and Hopper don't get us a flag then the media will be all over it when the better players actually retire over the next couple of seasons. But hey you won,t complain about them will you now.

[Broadsword]

The Prestia trade is the one that still really irks me.

We gave away pick 6 for an A-grade inside mid for a crack at short-term success and got it spectacularly wrong.

Pick 6: Jaidyn  Stephenson, the next Reece Conca. You just don't throw away opportunities like that.

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but I swore after that trade that I would never again condone trading out first round draft picks for supposed A-grade inside mids.

ffs fmd sheesh will we ever learn our lesson? 

[Andyy]

A much better and accurate perspective

Hmm perspective. Well we sort of had to invest in the nd in 2021 as we traded out of it in 2020. Now we trade out of the nd again in 2022.
If we look at the draft over the last three seasons our investment with picks goes.

2020 - 40,51.
2021 - 9, 17, 28,29,30,
2022 - 53, 63.

Thats just nine picks and if you spread and balance out all the picks out over the  three years it goes like this.

2020 - 9, 40,63,
2021 - 17,30,53,
2022 - 28,29,51.
Broken down like that it means minimal involvement for three seasons and it is not eaxactly brimming with top end picks.
That means outside of one season in the last three our investment has been just picks 40, 51, 53, 63.
Okay we got two good players but the club can hardly claim it has been investing heavily in the draft in recent years as they seem to be doing.
It takes more than one draft to build a list we all know that.In many ways the journos are right to question.

This is the difference.

Those two players are top 10 picks and are performing at that level.

So you can essentially add two top 10 picks to your list of other picks.

On the back of 3 flags we have stuffing nailed it mate.

[the claw]

The Prestia trade is the one that still really irks me.

We gave away pick 6 for an A-grade inside mid for a crack at short-term success and got it spectacularly wrong.

Pick 6: Jaidyn  Stephenson, the next Reece Conca. You just don't throw away opportunities like that.

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but I swore after that trade that I would never again condone trading out first round draft picks for supposed A-grade inside mids.

ffs fmd sheesh will we ever learn our lesson? 

Im not surprised you hated the Prestia trade after all you havent got much else right over the years. Na just kidding ya.

The Prestia trade was a must we had a whole pile of good players in a window and he was a missing piece that was badly needed.
Today we have a whole pile of ancient players in a supposed window theres a big difference between an old list and a list in its prime in its window.

What your not grasping is the last three seasons we have not been heavily involved in the draft, its a fact. You can take the pee do what ya like i dont give a poo Im only here to give an opposing perspective.You can like that view or lump it.

The club is diverting away from the fact that in a three season period we have not participated in the nd to any large  degree by useing just one draft to say different. Fine you can agree with them but blind fred can see its not the case. 2021 had to happen having stayed out of 2020 yeah we won a flag but just two picks ffs.

Already the media are asking the question about the strategy and you and others here think they should not be asking those questions.
Well i disagree if we get a flag fine who can argue but if we don't then its going to set us back big time.

[Tiger Khosh]

How exactly have we not participated in the draft? We took 5 players in the top 30 last season. Spread that out over 3 seasons like you’ve done and that’s 1.67 players within the first 2 rounds of the draft. Throw in pick 40 from 2020 and that’s an average of 2 players taken within the first 2 rounds over the past 3 seasons. Ignoring trades that’s exactly how many each team is supposed to get under the drafting system. They’d obviously prioritised last seasons draft knowing the potential incoming trades they make this season would cost us picks.

[georgies31]

The Prestia trade is the one that still really irks me.

We gave away pick 6 for an A-grade inside mid for a crack at short-term success and got it spectacularly wrong.

Pick 6: Jaidyn  Stephenson, the next Reece Conca. You just don't throw away opportunities like that.

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but I swore after that trade that I would never again condone trading out first round draft picks for supposed A-grade inside mids.

ffs fmd sheesh will we ever learn our lesson? 

Im not surprised you hated the Prestia trade after all you havent got much else right over the years. Na just kidding ya.

The Prestia trade was a must we had a whole pile of good players in a window and he was a missing piece that was badly needed.
Today we have a whole pile of ancient players in a supposed window theres a big difference between an old list and a list in its prime in its window.

What your not grasping is the last three seasons we have not been heavily involved in the draft, its a fact. You can take the pee do what ya like i dont give a poo Im only here to give an opposing perspective.You can like that view or lump it.

The club is diverting away from the fact that in a three season period we have not participated in the nd to any large  degree by useing just one draft to say different. Fine you can agree with them but blind fred can see its not the case. 2021 had to happen having stayed out of 2020 yeah we won a flag but just two picks ffs.

Already the media are asking the question about the strategy and you and others here think they should not be asking those questions.
Well i disagree if we get a flag fine who can argue but if we don't then its going to set us back big time.

Back it up Claw you sit on fence to much one minute you go Taranto and Hopper is must and good gets and then you whinge were not going to the draft. 5 picks in the top 30 in 2021 mate there the facts. 3 flags in the space of 5 years your living in fairyland this team has done it's job it's no brainer we're in a transition stage now Blind Freddy can tell you that.