Tylar Young [merged]

[Andyy]

Let's agree to disagree

I'm disappointed that we're losing Young and everyone talks about Gray like we have a diamond in the rough lmao. He's done nothing  mostly in the rehab group.

I thought Blight showed more in the backline, forward line and ruck.

Funny I thought he showed plenty in his limited AFL games. Very good in his debut game....

Clearly, in the Club's view he shown more than Blight. Hence, the 2 year extension. And yeah from what I've seen of him at AFL and VFL level he has some great attributes and may just be the a diamond in the rough.

And let's be clear on one important point here Tylar has chosen to leave, which is his choice.

Bottom line here is that if Gray doesn't become a useful player then there will be some egg on some faces but I'm quite confident Young has done more and we should have just matched the WCE offer so he'd stay.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should simply just match contract offers for the sake of it so  players don't leave?

The Club made him offer. Offered him what they believe he is worth. Young has decided it's not good enough and wants to go, then he goes. That is his choice.

Bigger picture here going forward and it's called Free Agency targets in 2026.... would think that getting the war chest ready is a bit more important than whether Tylar Young stays.

All contract decisions aren't just about the now for our Club but the future as well

I think Gray has shown plenty, just not as much as Young comfortably and I think Blight showed more too.

Not saying we need to match $ for $, but then we also don't know how far apart they were. But if he surprised if Young was leaving for an extra $50k/year for example. So without knowing the true amount we'll have to assume it was significant. But are we suggesting it was absurdly big money? Probably not. With our list the way it is and the requirement to pay 95% TPP I would have no issue matching an offer for a best 23 player.

Agree about FA though. Hope we get Butters

[Damo]

I can’t believe the carry on about Young

Anyone would think it was Alex Rance

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I can’t believe the carry on about Young

Anyone would think it was Alex Rance

They have a lot in common. Both played in wooden spoon eras

[TigerLand]

I actually really like Young. But if we take this build seriously, he's not part of it next gen and replaceable. We have plenty of options down back. Don't like seeing players go but this is one that we can survive.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I agree TL but he will not be part of our next serious push for a flag and he probably stifles the development of the next key defender who will be

[Andyy]

Sorry for the delay, have been away and it's hard to reply to these longer posts on the phone.

Gray fmd why do people keep talking about him? He's done less than Blight and more injury prone but people talk about him like Kelvin Moore post hip injury.

Injury prone? How do you figure that one?

His first season he comes in as mid season rookie pick and does a hamstring

Yes, very bad hammy

This year he hurts his knee on a sub-standard surface out at Beaconsfield, same day as Juddy Clarke. From what I got told it was a unique injury likened to a syndesmosis injury to your knee. Then in his comeback game going back with the flight of the ball gets collected, badly broken nose and concussion. Not sure how that equals being injury prone 

Clarke has a knee problem and a predisposition, Gray hopefully does not. I don't think the surface can be blamed for Clarke's multiple knees. It's possible they both did knees because they're injury-prone.

To suggest Gray has shown less than Blight is a bad call because clearly the Club doesn't see it that way. Interestingly out of the 3 re-signings announced yesterday Gray was the only one who got 2 years. Think you need to remember he can also play forward. Perfect swing man as they say

I guess I see it different to the club then. At the end of the day Blight managed 10 games (vs Gray's 3) and probably should have been given another chance at the end of 2025 but the club appears reluctant to trigger his extension. Pies interested now, hmmm. Was anybody asking about Gray?

I think with Balta, Miller, Gibcus, Gray as our keyback talls we have things covered.

I don't disagree, except that Balta's form has been so poor (hopefully improves) and Gibcus has hardly been fit and has played half a game in two years or whatever. Miller is the only fit and in-form one there. Young had returned from a knee reco and was in form (rated 7th best defender in the AFL, was he not, towards the end of the season?) whereas Blight was fit and in form in the VFL, carving it up pretty much every week. Makes you wonder if there's a personality issue? All we had to do was play him 1 game and extend him for a year but we decided we'd rather let him go for nothing which is odd...

IMHO Youmg showed plenty when he came back from his knee. Having not been a fan I will put my hand up and say I was genuinely surprised (pleasantly) with his improvement.

He has now made a choice to go, don't like it but that's the choice he's made. Time to get the deal done

We are not going to get a 2nd rounder for him, that's fanciful thinking.  3rd rounder seems right and fair to me.

I think it's a poor outcome if we end up with P40 or so, but at least we'll have a pick for Louis.

Let's agree to disagree

I'm disappointed that we're losing Young and everyone talks about Gray like we have a diamond in the rough lmao. He's done nothing  mostly in the rehab group.

I thought Blight showed more in the backline, forward line and ruck.

Funny I thought he showed plenty in his limited AFL games. Very good in his debut game....

Showed plenty before we subbed him off from memory

Clearly, in the Club's view he shown more than Blight. Hence, the 2 year extension. And yeah from what I've seen of him at AFL and VFL level he has some great attributes and may just be the a diamond in the rough.

Genuinely hope he is (diamond)

And let's be clear on one important point here Tylar has chosen to leave, which is his choice.

Bottom line here is that if Gray doesn't become a useful player then there will be some egg on some faces but I'm quite confident Young has done more and we should have just matched the WCE offer so he'd stay.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should simply just match contract offers for the sake of it so  players don't leave?

I guess it depends on the $$$ difference, but in some circumstances - yes. Isn't that the point of the RFA situation? However you'd have to think WCE offered significantly more money than us, so it's only worth increasing to a point, but there's also a point at which the difference is so small that someone like Young simply won't leave. For example if it's $50k/year and he's going to lose half in taxes and agent fees, uproot his life and move half way across the country...for what, $500/week? Doubt it.

The Club made him offer. Offered him what they believe he is worth. Young has decided it's not good enough and wants to go, then he goes. That is his choice.

Sometimes we pay overs, sometimes we get players to stay for less. I think with the current list and the TPP requirement we could have afforded to pay more to secure a key defender who another 3 clubs all enquired about.

Bigger picture here going forward and it's called Free Agency targets in 2026.... would think that getting the war chest ready is a bit more important than whether Tylar Young stays.

Don't disagree, but also don't think Young's contract would have any impact, we're talking peanuts compaired to the TTP limit. We are surely paying the 95% and have loads of space available given our current list. War chest is there and ready unless the club has seriously F'd something else up.

All contract decisions aren't just about the now for our Club but the future as well

[Andyy]

I can’t believe the carry on about Young

Anyone would think it was Alex Rance

Not Rance, but it's all about the moment. We're a rebuilding bottom 2 team and Young has become a decent defender and has 5+ years left in him easily bar a horror injury run. A 3 year contract isn't that long anyway.

If we end up with P40 for him we can use it on Kellaway but ultimately I think Young offers a heck of a lot more than your run of the mill 3rd rounder unless someone picks a freak slide like Chad Warner.

I actually really like Young. But if we take this build seriously, he's not part of it next gen and replaceable. We have plenty of options down back. Don't like seeing players go but this is one that we can survive.

How long do you think it will take to bounce back, if we can get back up to contention with our current drafting?

Hawks were dreadful for 4 years from 2020-23 and have just made a prelim, so going off that math we should be ready to hit finals in 2-3 years.

Young just turned 27 so if he stays fit he'd be 30 tops by the time we're competing again? Hardly a dinosaur.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?

And who’s spot is he taking?

Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?

He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.

[Andyy]

Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?

And who’s spot is he taking?

Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?

He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.

He's turning 28 after the 2026 H&A season.

I'm basing 5+ years on his current age + the usual retirement age for most established players which seems to be 32-34 these days.

1 more year > he turns 28
2 > 29
3 > 30
4 > 31
5 > 32
6 > 33
7 > 34

As for spots... has Gray pushed Young out with his 3 games to date?
Gibcus with his 67-ish minutes played in the last 18 months?


I think for me the bottom line for me is if we get pick 56 it will slide to nearly 65. Pick 37 will be nearly 45. Both are ordinary and we'd be better off with Young on the list, and it would be darned shame if we lost him for $200k/year out of the TPP when our list is currently so cheap.

[Loui Tufga]

Young is also ordinary, good luck to him at west coast, he will definitely need it!

[OneEyedRichmond]

Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?

And who’s spot is he taking?

Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?

He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.

He's turning 28 after the 2026 H&A season.

I'm basing 5+ years on his current age + the usual retirement age for most established players which seems to be 32-34 these days.

1 more year > he turns 28
2 > 29
3 > 30
4 > 31
5 > 32
6 > 33
7 > 34

As for spots... has Gray pushed Young out with his 3 games to date?
Gibcus with his 67-ish minutes played in the last 18 months?


I think for me the bottom line for me is if we get pick 56 it will slide to nearly 65. Pick 37 will be nearly 45. Both are ordinary and we'd be better off with Young on the list, and it would be darned shame if we lost him for $200k/year out of the TPP when our list is currently so cheap.

You are aware when clubs match bids they usually use up more than 1 pick yes?

[Andyy]

Young is 28 next year and has played 30 odd games.
On what possible basis does he have 5+ years left?

And who’s spot is he taking?

Balta, Gibcus, Miller, Trainor or Grey?

He might just shade Grey in that pecking order
And, he wants to go. Let him.

He's turning 28 after the 2026 H&A season.

I'm basing 5+ years on his current age + the usual retirement age for most established players which seems to be 32-34 these days.

1 more year > he turns 28
2 > 29
3 > 30
4 > 31
5 > 32
6 > 33
7 > 34

As for spots... has Gray pushed Young out with his 3 games to date?
Gibcus with his 67-ish minutes played in the last 18 months?


I think for me the bottom line for me is if we get pick 56 it will slide to nearly 65. Pick 37 will be nearly 45. Both are ordinary and we'd be better off with Young on the list, and it would be darned shame if we lost him for $200k/year out of the TPP when our list is currently so cheap.

You are aware when clubs match bids they usually use up more than 1 pick yes?

Am aware, although I often forget tbh.

It's a good point you make.

Still hoping for a decent trade value and I don't see the PSD threat as a significant factor. Clubs just don't seem to do it anymore.

At the end of the day it looks like he'll bring us a pick to use on Kellaway, so we'll bring in P3 + P4 + Kellaway which is all I really hoped for anyway tbh.

[ajGreen]

@MitchKeat
An agreement between West Coast and Richmond for Tylar Young could be one of the earlier deals done, with the two clubs having held multiple discussions over the past week.

Eagles have selections 37 and 56 in the later rounds of this year's draft
@zerohanger

[Andyy]

I want both picks!

56 for Kellaway.

37 for...fun.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I want both picks!

56 for Kellaway.

37 for...fun.

He wants 37 and 56?
 Tell him he’s dreamin!