List management: Keep, trade or delist?

[the claw]

Lyon: “There’s no real way of seeing that they’ve improved their list.”

Cornes: “I wonder whether they could have cut deeper and it would have been bold to do that and a move off course and a detour of what they would’ve been planning 12 months ago. Should they have looked at Tom Lynch on the trade table or Jack Graham or a Dion Prestia and cut a little bit deeper and try to fast track where this is going?”

Lyon: “Glass half full, Adem Yze gets a crack at this list after it lost a bit of spark. That’s what the Tiger faithful will be hoping.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/10/19/lyon-and-cornes-review-all-18-teams-afl-trade-period/

I wonder if cornhole did a review of how his beloved Port did.

Well if im not wrong they have pick 73 in the nd. Yep thats it pick 73 unbelievable.
They bought in  4 UNDERWHELMING players. And ended up with just pick 73 .

Those 4 players have not done a lot to date so it will be interesting to see if they can get improvement out of them.

It seems with their trading they just dont have a lot of faith in their kids or don't think they are ready.

[Jonesracing82]

Lyon: “There’s no real way of seeing that they’ve improved their list.”

Cornes: “I wonder whether they could have cut deeper and it would have been bold to do that and a move off course and a detour of what they would’ve been planning 12 months ago. Should they have looked at Tom Lynch on the trade table or Jack Graham or a Dion Prestia and cut a little bit deeper and try to fast track where this is going?”

Lyon: “Glass half full, Adem Yze gets a crack at this list after it lost a bit of spark. That’s what the Tiger faithful will be hoping.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/10/19/lyon-and-cornes-review-all-18-teams-afl-trade-period/

I wonder if cornhole did a review of how his beloved Port did.

Well if im not wrong they have pick 73 in the nd. Yep thats it pick 73 unbelievable.
They bought in  4 UNDERWHELMING players. And ended up with just pick 73 .

Those 4 players have not done a lot to date so it will be interesting to see if they can get improvement out of them.

It seems with their trading they just dont have a lot of faith in their kids or don't think they are ready.

Also no 1st rounder next yr. sound familiar? In his own words this yr they are all in & have sold their future draft picks, yet watch the narrative change completely. We on the other hand have 6 picks within 4 rounds. A Draft warchest

[one-eyed]

We currently have 33 senior listed players, 5 category A rookies and 2 category B rookies.

If I've got this right and we only use two picks in the national draft (giving us 35 senior listers), then that will leave two category A rookie spots open. I'm guessing one picked up in the rookie draft and the other spot left open for the pre-season supplemental selection. If Gibcus goes on the LTIL then that would open up another rookie spot but more likely used in the mid-season draft.

[the claw]

Hmm the list what is the make up as far as all the types go.

Start with the defenders.

Key defenders

Balta 194/100 24y/85g
Gibcus 197/?? 21y/18g
Young 196/97 25y/19g. Young so far for me anyway is too one dimensional.
Miller 195/95  24Y/25g.  Need to get another into the system with the Miller situation.

Tall Defender

Grimes 193/90 32y/229g.  Really in decline we really should have had his replacement in the system developing the last few seasons or more..
Broad 192/89   30y/126g. Like Grimes he could be classified as a medium as they both play smaller than they are well.
Bauer  192/86  21y/4y.  Put Bauer here because we need a replacement for both the aging Grimes and Broad. Better in the air than both and i think a better kick. Moves well enough to play on smaller opponents.

Medium defender

Vlastuin 187/87 29y/211g. will be 30 in april.
Brown   187/??  20Y/1g
Trezise  188/??  21y/1g
HRS      186/??  22Y/32g.. Serious doubts about this bloke.
Banks   187/??  21y/6g.  Developing nicely on a wing but his pedigree is as a defender so named him here also.

Small Defender

Short    177/??   28y/153g 
Rioli     179/79  29y/160g.  Imo  we need pace and delivery on the wings and Rioli would provide both allowing kids to play across hb.
Smith   180/??   19y/0g
Mansell 182/??  22y/32g. Played one very average season as a fwd. He is a defender and an average one at that.
Baker   173/72  26y/110g.Needs to play as a mid to allow smith Brown and the likes of Bauer to play in the back half.

My prefered Backline given all are fit.

FB: Vlastuin - Balta - Bauer
HB: Brown - Gibcus - Broad

C:  Rioli - Taranto - Banks.

[one-eyed]

Posted on twitter/X.

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2024 Richmond depth chart after the signing of Naismith today. The 21 in bold are who I have locked into my best side for 2024. That leaves 2 spots open. A big 12 months for the youth not in bold.


https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1719602277751906792

[the claw]

Posted on twitter/X.

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2024 Richmond depth chart after the signing of Naismith today. The 21 in bold are who I have locked into my best side for 2024. That leaves 2 spots open. A big 12 months for the youth not in bold.


https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1719602277751906792

How on earth do players like Mansell Rioli, Clarke, Sonsie, Coulthard Cambell and Graham get listed as mediums

How is Banks listed as a defender when all we have done is play him on a wing. Why arent Sonsie, Campbell and Martin listed as mid/fwds.

Looking at that you would think we have plenty of fwds when the opposite is the case.

There is also a critical lack of mids even if you names everyone who could possibly play there.

[Andyy]

Posted on twitter/X.

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2024 Richmond depth chart after the signing of Naismith today. The 21 in bold are who I have locked into my best side for 2024. That leaves 2 spots open. A big 12 months for the youth not in bold.


https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1719602277751906792

How on earth do players like Mansell Rioli, Clarke, Sonsie, Coulthard Cambell and Graham get listed as mediums

How is Banks listed as a defender when all we have done is play him on a wing. Why arent Sonsie, Campbell and Martin listed as mid/fwds.

Looking at that you would think we have plenty of fwds when the opposite is the case.

There is also a critical lack of mids even if you names everyone who could possibly play there.

It's dumb isn't it.

[the claw]

Hmm mids including wings and rucks.

Tall Wing
McIntosh 191/92  30y/168g. How the hell he keeps getting games is beyond belief.

Medium wings

Ross 187/86  23y/63g  Laughable that we play this slow plodder on a wing. I suupose they play him where they can get something anything out of him to the detriment of the team.

Pickett  184/84  32y/78g  32 yo and id say theres a good chance he will be doing porridge. Rather we give banks a game on the wing.

Banks 187/?? 21y/6g Has not done a hell of a lot but showed enough good signs to suggest we have to persevere.Most important ball use and good pace is needed in the mid field.

Small wing 

Rioli  179/79  26y/160g  If he can run off hb he can certainly run on a wing. Pace an ability to run lines and good ball use all things needed on the wings that we lack.
Rioli .

Brown, Smith, Short and Ralphsmith  all players we can try here or across hb.

Rucks

Nankervis 199/102  29y/136g
Ryan 206/???  23y/15g Probably the only one who can play ruck/fwd.
Naismith 204/??  31/??
Hayes -Brown A basketballer that will take time to develop

 small Mid fwd
Bolton 175/77 26y/113g
Sonsie 181/?? 21y/10g
Campbell 182/?? 19y/0g

Medium mid/fwd

Martin 187/92   32/289

Small mid

 Green 179/76  20y/0g
Prestia 175/84  31y/212g
Baker  173/72  26y/110g

Medium mid
Taranto  188/87  26Y/137g
Hopper  187/86  27Y/130g
Dow  183/79  22y/17g

Little comment from me here people know what i think about numbers the age of the better ones and the lack of quality ones and the lack of enough big mids..

The only development mids we have are Sonsie, Green, Campbell all smalls and Dow who is as skinny as they come and not big either and if honest has to be lucky not to have been delisted.
 

[one-eyed]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/what-is-the-state-of-your-club-s-list-ahead-of-the-afl-draft-20231102-p5eh2a.html


George retired. He wasn't delisted.

Oliver Hayes-Brown is already our second category B rookie alongside Colina.

We will have a spare category A rookie spot if we only use two picks in the National draft.

Senior spots:  34 ..... two picks will up this to 36
Cat. A rookies:  5 ..... one spare rookie spot.
Cat. B rookies:  2

[one-eyed]

Our finalised list for 2024:



https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-richmond-tigers

Footywire website forgot:

5    Jack Ross                    63    23yr 3mth     3 Sep 2000      187cm    87kg      Oakleigh Chargers     Midfield       
47  Oliver Hayes-Brown R    0     23yr 7mth    28 Apr 2000     208cm   114kg    Perth Wildcats (NBL)      Ruck

And Miller isn't a rookie anymore either.

[the claw]

Our finalised list for 2024:



https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-richmond-tigers

Footywire website forgot:

47  Oliver Hayes-Brown R    0     23yr 7mth    28 Apr 2000     208cm   114kg    Perth Wildcats (NBL)      Ruck

And Miller isn't a rookie anymore either.

Don't see Ross on that list either. Maybe a portent of things to come.

[one-eyed]

Don't see Ross on that list either. Maybe a portent of things to come.

Fixed.

5    Jack Ross                    63    23yr 3mth     3 Sep 2000      187cm    87kg      Oakleigh Chargers     Midfield       

[Diocletian]

 Don't see Ross on that list either. Maybe a portent of things to come.

Doubt the club consults Footywire on list management....

[the claw]

 Don't see Ross on that list either. Maybe a portent of things to come.

Doubt the club consults Footywire on list management....

Didn't say they do. Maybe Ross is so forgetable they need to do a bit of consulting.

[one-eyed]

RICHMOND

IN: Jacob Koschitzke (Hawthorn), Oliver Hayes-Brown (Cat B rookie), Sam Naismith (delisted free agent, formerly Sydney) Liam Fawcett, Kane McAuliffe (draft)

OUT: Bigoa Nyuon (North Melbourne), Ivan Soldo (Port Adelaide), Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt, Robbie Tarrant, Jason Castagna (retired), Kaelan Bradtke (delisted).

AVAILABLE LIST SPOTS: 1

It’s hard to see much automatic improvement in Richmond’s list based on the players brought into the club. Koschitzke struggled for much of 2023 at Hawthorn, Naismith has been in fine form in the VFL but hasn’t played AFL since 2020 and the others will likely take time. Riewoldt will be missed, Cotchin was probably done and the Tigers got nothing out of Tarrant, Nyuon or Castagna this year. While Soldo was probably surplus to requirements, he was still a useful back-up ruck. A bunch of second and third year Tigers will need to step up for Adem Yze to make finals in year one. The Tigers have opened the doors to East Perth’s Mitch Schofield and Richmond VFL’s Mykelti Lefau to claim the open spot on the list.

VERDICT: List has gone backwards for 2024

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-every-clubs-offseason-ins-and-outs-and-list-ratings-for-next-year/news-story/7a97f60b25776891444aaaa00547371d