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What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« on: May 26, 2023, 01:55:14 AM »
What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach?

Marc McGowan
The Age
May 25, 2023


List analysis guru Chris Pelchen believes Richmond could have made a call sooner on some of their premiership veterans, but did not err in recruiting ex-Giants Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper.

Interim Tigers coach Andrew McQualter assumes the reins of the AFL’s fourth-oldest and second-most experienced list after Damien Hardwick’s shock resignation this week.

The Tigers’ average age and games played entering round 11 is 26.64 years (behind Geelong, Collingwood and Western Bulldogs) and 108.7 (trailing only the Cats), respectively, ahead of their clash with Port Adelaide at the MCG on Sunday.

Those are the demographics of a team that typically would be contending for a flag, but Saturday night’s heart-breaking last-gasp loss to Essendon left Richmond in 14th, with three wins and a draw from 10 matches.

Pelchen, who worked at Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and St Kilda, told Money Talks he did not expect the Tigers to play finals this year or next in the post-Hardwick era, but would not be surprised if they rebounded quickly after that.

“Their list is sound without being ready to take another leap forward,” he said.

“They went out to get Taranto and Hopper in the hope of maintaining their standing, and with a better run of injuries, try to compete for a premiership again – but that’s gone awry.

“It certainly hasn’t worked out how they would have planned. Giving up the high draft choices doesn’t read as well now as it potentially did in the pre-season. I wouldn’t say they were mistakes, but it was a high-risk strategy.”

The Tigers’ list is in transition after the club’s extraordinary success between 2017-20 that netted three premierships and a preliminary final appearance, but they are attempting to do so on the run.

That much was obvious when they offloaded picks 12 and 19 last year for 25-year-old Taranto, and this year’s first-round selection and No. 31 in 2022 for 26-year-old Hopper and picks 53 and 63.

Taranto should be leading Richmond’s best-and-fairest award, while Hopper played some strong games before injuring a calf in round nine.

Pelchen rates both players highly and one reason he remains positive about the deals is that he felt the Tigers needed to add to their 24-to-27 age group.

Shai Bolton, Noah Balta, Liam Baker, Daniel Rioli and Jack Graham join Taranto and Hopper as important members of the mid-20s group.

But Richmond’s struggles this year means that the Hopper deal would currently hand the Giants what is provisionally the fifth pick in a strong draft, although Pelchen said all decisions on future trading were speculative.

Two of the club’s modern greats, Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt, are expected to retire at season’s end, as almost certainly will ex-Kangaroo Robbie Tarrant, which would reduce the number of players older than 30 to six.

Co-captain Dylan Grimes re-signed for another year this month, while fellow premiership stars Dustin Martin and Dion Prestia are also contracted until the end of next season, and Tom Lynch is locked in until 2025.

Nathan Broad is an unrestricted free agent who has been linked with a move home to West Coast, and Marlion Pickett is out of contract but has played every game this year – and discussions are tracking positively for him to be retained.

Nick Vlastuin, co-captain Toby Nankervis and Kamdyn McIntosh also turn 30 in 2024.

“Traditionally, you wouldn’t want to ever have more than half a dozen players over 30,” Pelchen said.

“You need a tapering in your list demographics ... what conspired against them was the group was so talented that they held on for longer – usually two or three would fall away as a natural rate of attrition, from form or injury.

“With a little more luck with injuries – Nankervis and Lynch particularly – they could be in a very different position this week, and people would not be having this conversation.”

The Tigers’ best 22-and-under talent includes Josh Gibcus, breakout big man Samson Ryan, Maurice Rioli, Hugo Ralphsmith, Tyler Sonsie, Jack Ross, Judson Clarke, Noah Cumberland and Thomson Dow.

“It’s not the best under-22 group in the competition, but you wouldn’t expect that with where they have [been] picked in the draft,” Pelchen said.

“It’s an acceptable young group, it’s OK, and it’s not a case where they need to start again, but they do need to invest in the draft in the coming years.”

Others without a deal for next year are Ralphsmith, McIntosh, Rhyan Mansell, 2019 first-round draft pick Dow – brother of Paddy – rookies Bigoa Nyuon, Mate Colina, Jacob Bauer, Seth Campbell and Kaelan Bradtke.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/what-shape-is-the-tiger-list-in-for-next-coach-20230522-p5daa5.html

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2023, 11:43:57 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2023, 11:05:10 AM »
i think the list is in terrible shape. There are holes everywhere and without top end talent we are in strife for 3-5 years following the hawks position.

at the earliest i see top draft picks coming next year, and even then they wont reach 50 games until 2026. Lynch after next year will be cooked so his departure can add further misery to our forward line.

I see our best line being our defence with balta, baker, riolo and gibcus relatively young and very classy players.

Bolton is a great player when he wants to be. Who else have we got coming through? guys like Brown will decide how quickly we rebound. if we botched that up which i suspect we have then are in big trouble. Add to that dow who i think is a very average player and our good picks were all duds.

Hopper was a mistake ,no matter how you dress it up. If we were chasing another flag, which most people know we were, then Tom Mitchell could have slotted into that role and we would have banked those picks.


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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2023, 11:53:08 AM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2023, 12:27:11 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Exactly. Why bother posting when some narcist will just come along and insult you, the players, the coaches, the recruiting team, the medical team and whatever else they think they know better about. Fact is most here (like me) have no inside knowledge of what is really going on in any of these fields. Sure we have some opinions but If we are honest ourselves we really know stuff all about the reasons things happen inside the Club. Those in charge of all those fields are not stupid and there will be reasons behind the decisions they make, they may not pan out as expected but given this is a results based industry they will normally pay the price if they make too many bad ones.

I count myself blessed to be around during this amazing period of the RFC success. Its a tough game and premierships are hard to win, there must of been a lot of good decisions made in the last 10 years. Some should maybe reflect on that before they comment.
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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2023, 12:42:14 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Exactly. Why bother posting when some narcist will just come along and insult you, the players, the coaches, the recruiting team, the medical team and whatever else they think they know better about. Fact is most here (like me) have no inside knowledge of what is really going on in any of these fields. Sure we have some opinions but If we are honest ourselves we really know stuff all about the reasons things happen inside the Club. Those in charge of all those fields are not stupid and there will be reasons behind the decisions they make, they may not pan out as expected but given this is a results based industry they will normally pay the price if they make too many bad ones.

I count myself blessed to be around during this amazing period of the RFC success. Its a tough game and premierships are hard to win, there must of been a lot of good decisions made in the last 10 years. Some should maybe reflect on that before they comment.
Wow!  Nailed it!    :cheers
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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2023, 02:22:02 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Exactly. Why bother posting when some narcist will just come along and insult you, the players, the coaches, the recruiting team, the medical team and whatever else they think they know better about. Fact is most here (like me) have no inside knowledge of what is really going on in any of these fields. Sure we have some opinions but If we are honest ourselves we really know stuff all about the reasons things happen inside the Club. Those in charge of all those fields are not stupid and there will be reasons behind the decisions they make, they may not pan out as expected but given this is a results based industry they will normally pay the price if they make too many bad ones.

I count myself blessed to be around during this amazing period of the RFC success. Its a tough game and premierships are hard to win, there must of been a lot of good decisions made in the last 10 years. Some should maybe reflect on that before they comment.
Wow!  Nailed it!    :cheers


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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2023, 08:27:04 PM »
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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2023, 10:52:28 AM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Exactly. Why bother posting when some narcist will just come along and insult you, the players, the coaches, the recruiting team, the medical team and whatever else they think they know better about. Fact is most here (like me) have no inside knowledge of what is really going on in any of these fields. Sure we have some opinions but If we are honest ourselves we really know stuff all about the reasons things happen inside the Club. Those in charge of all those fields are not stupid and there will be reasons behind the decisions they make, they may not pan out as expected but given this is a results based industry they will normally pay the price if they make too many bad ones.

I count myself blessed to be around during this amazing period of the RFC success. Its a tough game and premierships are hard to win, there must of been a lot of good decisions made in the last 10 years. Some should maybe reflect on that before they comment.

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2023, 06:15:31 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Exactly. Why bother posting when some narcist will just come along and insult you, the players, the coaches, the recruiting team, the medical team and whatever else they think they know better about. Fact is most here (like me) have no inside knowledge of what is really going on in any of these fields. Sure we have some opinions but If we are honest ourselves we really know stuff all about the reasons things happen inside the Club. Those in charge of all those fields are not stupid and there will be reasons behind the decisions they make, they may not pan out as expected but given this is a results based industry they will normally pay the price if they make too many bad ones.

I count myself blessed to be around during this amazing period of the RFC success. Its a tough game and premierships are hard to win, there must of been a lot of good decisions made in the last 10 years. Some should maybe reflect on that before they comment.

  :thumbsup

With all that said I am not convinced the next crop of players coming though are going to keep us in contention. I àm very willing to be proven wrong though.
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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2023, 06:19:39 PM »
Fluffy I get your fear about out future.I too am starting. To worry , however I do think these youngsters need time and games to develop , we just got to be patient

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2023, 08:37:50 PM »
Agree, If we can’t make the finals we need to play all the kids , if they can’t show anything no good persevering  but they deserve an opportunity in most cases

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2023, 10:04:23 PM »
Thought this would be a popular thread apparently no one has an opinion these days on where the list and kids sit.

There are multiple extensive threads on the state of our list, you nonce…

Most of which are ruined by your long-winded, predicable, self-important rants.  :lol

Of course there are other threads but this one actually asked the question of which the rose coloureds chose to ignore until someone asked why.
And look at the replies which says more about you nuffies than this nonce. ;)

I just love the name calling it says without a doubt what im saying is hitting home. To extract such hysterical replies it only shows some people don't like to hear the truth and are not living in the real world.It really does show they are closed books and only want to hear good things about their club. Yep just ignore the bad it isn't really happening.
As usual many of those who complain about me are coming around to what i say.You only need look at this thread.

Most like you never address whats been said because then you would have to be realistic and honest with yourself. Nope better to pretend all is well and abuse instead and then complain when it comes back at ya.

Oh and just to finish this is another thread where it has not been me who started the abuse i rarely do, but again ive shown im more than happy to wear  it.
 softies like you who start it squeal like stuck pigs when you cop it back.

Ah well onwards we go. This week like you im gunna stick my head up my arse and pretend things are all good.


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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2023, 10:06:58 PM »
i think the list is in terrible shape. There are holes everywhere and without top end talent we are in strife for 3-5 years following the hawks position.

at the earliest i see top draft picks coming next year, and even then they wont reach 50 games until 2026. Lynch after next year will be cooked so his departure can add further misery to our forward line.

I see our best line being our defence with balta, baker, riolo and gibcus relatively young and very classy players.

Bolton is a great player when he wants to be. Who else have we got coming through? guys like Brown will decide how quickly we rebound. if we botched that up which i suspect we have then are in big trouble. Add to that dow who i think is a very average player and our good picks were all duds.

Hopper was a mistake ,no matter how you dress it up. If we were chasing another flag, which most people know we were, then Tom Mitchell could have slotted into that role and we would have banked those picks.

Ah some honesty well done sir. A bit to negative for some id say. Can i ask are you too a narcissist. :snidegrin

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Re: What shape is the Tiger list in for next coach? (Age)
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2023, 11:40:19 PM »
Pear shaped.... :shh
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