Injury update 2024

[Damo]

Thanks to those who didn't answer the question and rather made it another reason to pot their favourite whipping boy

And thanks Andyy for actually answering without the need to pot

I SPECIFICALLY answered your question

I could have actually gone far harder

If you really look at the comment THAT YOU highlighted..

It makes Jack Graham sound lazy, un-dedicated and someone that is doing less that he could be (or the bare minimum). It seems as though blame is being transferred from the strength and conditioning team to the player himself. Which I don’t recall them saying about any other player.

But until YOU pointed it out I wouldn’t have thought about it.

If you don’t want people commenting on “their favourite whipping boy”, then why WOULD YOU ask for them to comment. That’s my question.

I stand whole heartedly by my original comments.

I also stand by my question, THAT YOU ignored.

If he was as fit and he could be, and ran as slow as he does, I don’t believe he would ping muscles. You do understand the difference between fast twitch and slow twitch athletes I assume? Graham has a tank, he doesn’t have speed. Him pinging muscles every other week makes limited sense.

Would it stand to reason that a 100m sprinter would do more muscles than a marathon runner? I’d suggest the answer is obvious. Of course a burst athlete would.

[WilliamPowell]

Damo,

I'll answer your questions and discuss your post when we get home from the Vets.

Regards,
WP

[WilliamPowell]

Just cheap shots, Damo. Nothing but cheap shots at Jacky G

As a mod I let most of the stuff directed at me (I'm talking about the clear baiting and snide comments etc) go

But AT this is your final warning.

It is clear the above is a clear bait towards me to go with you calling me "Clueless", belittled me by saying I was "well out of your depth over here" because I didn't agree with your ideology...

Quit the baiting, trolling and snide comments towards all poster that don't share your views. Debate the topic as much as you like but the baiting stops now

[WilliamPowell]

What I want to know is this
How can someone that runs as slowly as Jack keep pinging muscles
He’s hardly going like Usain Bolt

Fair question but why has the likes of Prestia who isn’t the quickest bloke going around either but keeps pinging muscles (calfs, hammies) as well? Is he not fit enough? Applying your argument his injuries make little sense as well.

I SPECIFICALLY answered your question

I could have actually gone far harder

If you really look at the comment THAT YOU highlighted..

No need to YELL

It makes Jack Graham sound lazy, un-dedicated and someone that is doing less that he could be (or the bare minimum). It seems as though blame is being transferred from the strength and conditioning team to the player himself. Which I don’t recall them saying about any other player.

But until YOU pointed it out I wouldn’t have thought about it.

If you don’t want people commenting on “their favourite whipping boy”, then why WOULD YOU ask for them to comment. That’s my question.

And this is why I asked the question for people’s views. Why suddenly has the Magic Man gone down this path?

Every other player that has had any form of soft tissue injury has had the onus put clearly on the Fitness dept by all posters on this site (rightly). Meehan Magic is what it gets called.
 
Suddenly for the first time the Magic Man distances himself from something diverts attention away from something that has happened on his watch. So to me it makes little sense and because of that I was interested if people viewed it as strange, a cop out from Meehan or if it would just get ignored because of peoples’ disdain for a particular player.

What I didn’t expect probably naively was that people would actually just jump on the player and blame the player.

I stand whole heartedly by my original comments.

I also stand by my question, THAT YOU ignored.

Fair enough

If he was as fit and he could be, and ran as slow as he does, I don’t believe he would ping muscles. You do understand the difference between fast twitch and slow twitch athletes I assume? Graham has a tank, he doesn’t have speed. Him pinging muscles every other week makes limited sense.

Would it stand to reason that a 100m sprinter would do more muscles than a marathon runner? I’d suggest the answer is obvious. Of course a burst athlete would.

I do and as per my comments above with regard to Prestia he pings muscles it seems every 2nd week but I don’t see the pile on about him not being fit or professional enough. Ditto Lynch.. a 1 week hamstring is now a 6 week hammy but I don’t see people suggesting he is unfit. For those 2 it’s all Meehan Magic.

I’m going to suggest you’ll argue that both Prestia and Lynch are different because the “burst athlete” description sometimes applies to them. But I don't think Prestia has burst out of the blocks since he won the B&F 

As I said at the start I found Meehan's comments strange in light of how badly he and his team have operated this year. It was a very good deflection on his part IMHO

I’m also a bit worried about the backlash if we dare mentioned any Richmond player was on the fat side .. especially the ladies team , where the “political correctness” is a bit stricter

I will put my hand up and say I have an issue with female players being called “fat” and I don’t apologise for that. I will admit some of that is personal having seen what it does to people’s mental well being when they are constantly referred to as “fat”. It isn’t about people needing to “toughen up”, it’s more than that. I’ve been ridiculed a lot on her over the years when I say try walking in someone else’s shoes but on this I’d suggest people consider it. Anyways…
 
If the same rules were applied to the women as they’ve been applied to then men I might feel differently. But I have rarely read that an AFLW player isn’t fit enough and have it left at that. More often than not what get said is said a female player is simply fat, fat and therefore unfit and rarely they are just unfit. Apply the same standards around the commentary and discussion and then perhaps the “political correctness” becomes a non issue

Just my take

[Diocletian]

Can't recall an actual pig being released onto the field with a player's name & number written on it during an AFLW match but whatever... 

[Damo]

Lynch and Prestia are only 5 years older than Graham

But I guess that doesn’t come into it

[WilliamPowell]

Lynch and Prestia are only 5 years older than Graham

But I guess that doesn’t come into it

Prestia has been dealing with soft issue injuries since 2020, but no mention of him being unfit or unprofessional  at that age or now

And what about Hopper? Only 27 so in his case is it Meehan Magic, being unfit/unprofessional or something else?

[Andyy]

Despite me wanting Prestia to retire it's concerning that he's still one of our best mids when fit haha. He's a quality player but I just don't see any value in retaining him unless it's cheap money and he retired before MSD once he does a decent hammy or similar.

[Simonator]

Lynch and Prestia are only 5 years older than Graham

But I guess that doesn’t come into it

Prestia has been dealing with soft issue injuries since 2020, but no mention of him being unfit or unprofessional  at that age or now

And what about Hopper? Only 27 so in his case is it Meehan Magic, being unfit/unprofessional or something else?

It’s obvious Prestia and hopper are both injury prone. Suffered constant injuries throughout their whole
Careers. May Graham is the same, maybe he’s not.

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Just cheap shots, Damo. Nothing but cheap shots at Jacky G

As a mod I let most of the stuff directed at me (I'm talking about the clear baiting and snide comments etc) go

But AT this is your final warning.

It is clear the above is a clear bait towards me to go with you calling me "Clueless", belittled me by saying I was "well out of your depth over here" because I didn't agree with your ideology...

Quit the baiting, trolling and snide comments towards all poster that don't share your views. Debate the topic as much as you like but the baiting stops now

So who have I "baited" WP? When you and OE do your big snips of threads I'm rarely ever involved, so im hardly some deviant causing chaos on the boards.
My view is that you say some silly things from time to time, avoid the topic and just flat out make things up like when you said Donald Trump encourages behaviour like what happened to him when he was within an inch of losing his life.

You also say a lot of good things. However, when we or anyone has a disagreement with you it seems you think everyone is pummelling you with "cheap shots".

There's just no point engaging in debate unless the actual issue is being discussed on its merits. I see a lot worse on here every single day than whatever you think I've done to you. Literal abuse and it goes through to the keeper, yet I'm given a final warning for a light-hearted comment in here? We can take this to PMs if you want because I'm not looking for a public fight, just some middle ground

[Assange Tiger 😎]

Just on Jacky G. I don't think there's a pile on Meehan when Jack gets injured because tbh, no one wants him in the side apart from maybe 2 posters anyway. Hardly anyone wants him to be near the club anymore and that is due to him being an incredibly slow, average footballer. Actually calling him average is too high of praise for his output these days

The cause of his injuries? Who knows. He doesn't look in great shape. Could simply have a cooked body with some Meehan Magic thrown in

[WilliamPowell]

For what it's worth 

Injury Report: Round 21, 2024

By Richmond Media
3 hrs ago

Get the latest injury update from Physical Performance Manager Luke Meehan ahead of Saturday's Round 21 clash with North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium.


Injury Update: Taranto, Martin, Nankervis, Graham
Find out who will be available for selection this week to take on North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium.

Tim Taranto, back

"Tim developed a bit of lower back pain early in the game (Round 20). He's pretty tough, Tim, and he sort of battled along to half-time. We thought we'd try and get him to see if he could get going again in the third quarter, and he just wasn't able to. So, we subbed him out. He's pulled up pretty well from the game. At this stage we have to see how he trains on Thursday. So, he's a test."

Dustin Martin, back

"Dustin's been training pretty hard the last week or so. Again, he needs to train really strongly on Thursday, and we'll make a call on him then."


Toby Nankervis, concussion

"Toby's feeling really good and he's looking forward to playing again."

Jack Graham, hip flexor

"Jack turned the corner last weekend. He still needs to train really strongly on Thursday, and we'll make a call whether he's available."

Jack Ross, foot

"(He's tracking) really well. It's probably been the last four or five weeks working really, really hard. He, at this stage, is going to be available for the VFL game after the bye in two weeks' time."


Tom Lynch, hamstring

"Lynchy's back into full training. We're going to put a couple of weeks' work into him and then we'll make a decision on what we do with him then."

Maurice Rioli and Marlion Pickett

"Both pulled up really well (from the VFL on Sunday). Marlion only played a half, and Maurice was available for three quarters. They won't be available for AFL selection this week, they're going to have a really hard training session on Saturday morning. It'll be the week after we're looking at (for their AFL returns)."

Liam Fawcett, back

"Big Liam's been charging around at training the last couple of weeks, which has been good to see. At this stage, we're looking for some game time after the VFL bye."


Ollie Hayes-Brown, concussion

"Ollie's really good. He's going to be in full training this week."

Campbell Gray, hamstring

"Campbell's going well. He's working really, really hard with one of our strength and conditioning coaches. He's still got a few weeks to go before we see him into training. But, we're hoping he might be available for the VFL finals if we make it."

Richmond Injury List:

Test

Dustin Martin, back

Tim Taranto, back

Toby Nankervis, concussion

Ollie Hayes-Brown, concussion

Jack Graham, hip flexor
 
Unavailable

Jack Ross, foot (1 week)

Liam Fawcett, back (1 week)

Tom Lynch, hamstring (2-3 weeks)

Campbell Gray, hamstring (4-5 weeks)

Mate Colina, back (TBA)

Dylan Grimes, back (season)

Mykelti Lefau, knee (season)

Tylar Young, knee (season)

Sam Naismith, knee (season)

Josh Gibcus, knee (season)

Judson Clarke, knee (season)

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1614613/injury-report-round-21-2024

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Why don’t they make Funky Cold Collina’s back as “season”?

[Andyy]

Anybody not currently available or test should be written off for the year.

And I'd add Jack Graham that is to the list, goodness forbid we make his abysmal trade currency any worse with a 10 week hammy in R24.

[MintOnLamb]

Liam Fawcett 1 week!!!

Is a dodgy back a transmissible affliction??