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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2024, 10:24:33 PM »

Probably didn’t pay a free kick because she was on her arse from a push from behind and the other umpires weren’t concentrating

It obviously should have been paid a free kick .. blatant

I was referring to the non officiating umps. Agree no excise they didn't pay the free

But it is just anther example of the sub-standard umpiring in this competition

What level accreditation are the umpires?
I ask that seriously and not knowing

Are they all woman umpires? Or male as well?
Is the idea that the AFLW is a training ground for the second tier AFL umpires trying to get into the AFL list?

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2024, 07:17:18 AM »


What level accreditation are the umpires?
I ask that seriously and not knowing

Are they all woman umpires? Or male as well?
Is the idea that the AFLW is a training ground for the second tier AFL umpires trying to get into the AFL list?

There are a couple of retired AFL umpires running around. They clearly stand out.

Then there a couple of VFL umps who haven't umpired many VFL games. The rest are the next rung down. Boundary and goal umps seem to be kids TBH

No, mixture of men & women

To your final question IMHO yes.
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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2024, 12:03:26 PM »
Not quite sure how one can intentionally make contact with an umpire when you don't actually make contact with an umpire  :huh3

If that is the wording of the charge then we should be able to get the charge struck out.

The wording in the specific instance should read;

Sheerin has been cited for intentionally causing contact to be made with an umpire

However since the AFL is so PC screwed up, who knows what will happen.

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2024, 01:19:39 PM »
Not quite sure how one can intentionally make contact with an umpire when you don't actually make contact with an umpire  :huh3

If that is the wording of the charge then we should be able to get the charge struck out.

The wording in the specific instance should read;

Sheerin has been cited for intentionally causing contact to be made with an umpire

However since the AFL is so PC screwed up, who knows what will happen.

Shouldn't have posted that Chuck

Laura will read it and change the charge.

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2024, 01:26:36 PM »


What level accreditation are the umpires?
I ask that seriously and not knowing

Are they all woman umpires? Or male as well?
Is the idea that the AFLW is a training ground for the second tier AFL umpires trying to get into the AFL list?

There are a couple of retired AFL umpires running around. They clearly stand out.

Then there a couple of VFL umps who haven't umpired many VFL games. The rest are the next rung down. Boundary and goal umps seem to be kids TBH

No, mixture of men & women

To your final question IMHO yes.

Thanks for the detailed answer

Hard for supporters of the comp to complain about the umpiring every week if this is the case

Just have to grin and bare it

And as for the comp itself, if it wants the product to improve, how about employing competent top level umpires! Hard to take a competition seriously when it’s clearly not being serious about a vital part of the game

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2024, 02:27:00 PM »
Not quite sure how one can intentionally make contact with an umpire when you don't actually make contact with an umpire  :huh3

If that is the wording of the charge then we should be able to get the charge struck out.

The wording in the specific instance should read;

Sheerin has been cited for intentionally causing contact to be made with an umpire

However since the AFL is so PC screwed up, who knows what will happen.

Shouldn't have posted that Chuck

Laura will read it and change the charge.
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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2024, 08:24:50 PM »
‘Pretty significant’: Finals heartbreak likely for hamstrung Tiger

Ed Bourke
Newswire
October 29th, 2024 6:10 pm


Experienced Richmond forward Sarah Hosking faces finals heartbreak after scans revealed a “pretty significant” injury to her troublesome right hamstring in Darwin on Saturday.

The 28-year-old, who has returned a career-best four goals this season, reached for her hamstring late in the drawn Dreamtime clash against Essendon and finished the game on crutches.

Hosking missed the round 1 clash against West Coast after making a delayed start to pre-season training following off-season surgery on the same hamstring.

Richmond AFLW high performance boss Eliza Morrison said there was no timeline yet on Hosking’s return, but confirmed she would certainly miss this Sunday’s clash against second-placed Hawthorn at Punt Road.

“Sarah was pulled from the game in the final minutes. She has a pretty significant hamstring injury,” Morrison said.

“We took her for a scan yesterday, so we’ll have a good review of that today with the doctor and with Sarah herself, and then we’ll see what her plan is going forward. But she won’t be available for selection this week.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/aflw-2024-sarah-hosking-out-indefinitely-with-hamstring-injury-richmond-tigers-bianca-jakobsson-avoids-knee-surgery-st-kilda-saints-latest-news/news-story/84404ca438d9739693edd8752c8d7358

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Sheerin charge downgraded to a fine at the Tribunal (afl site)
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2024, 08:27:16 PM »
Richmond gun learns fate for umpire contact at Tribunal

By Sophie Welsh
afl.com.au
29 Oct 2024


RICHMOND has successfully had Eilish Sheerin's charge downgraded at the AFL Tribunal on Tuesday night, with the star midfielder fined just $200 and cleared to play in week 10 despite making contact with an umpire.

Sheerin was initially charged by the Match Review Officer with making intentional contact with an umpire, but the charge was downgraded to making careless contact in a two-and-a-half-hour Tribunal hearing.

Sheerin was sent straight to the Tribunal after the initial charge, but the Tribunal, chaired by Renee Enbom KC with panellists David Neitz and Michelle Dench, was unconvinced the contact was intentional and forceful, therefore the charge was downgraded to careless, attracting a fixed financial sanction of $200. Had Sheerin been found guilty of making intentional contact, it would have been up to the Tribunal to determine an appropriate sanction.

The incident in question involved a push from Sheerin on Essendon's Georgia Nanscawen that caused the Bomber to fall into the path of an umpire, which in turn sent the umpire tumbling to the ground during Saturday night's Dreamtime match in Darwin.

The incident occurred during a stoppage in the final two minutes of the match, when Sheerin, who was positioned around the ball-up, pushed her opponent Nanscawen into the path of the umpire, who was running backwards away from the contest after throwing the ball into the air. Nanscawen's head and shoulders made contact with the umpire's hip, causing the umpire to fall backwards onto the ground.

At Tuesday night's hearing, the AFL submitted that the contact was intentional as the push against Nanscawen was forceful, Sheerin knew where the umpire was, Sheerin made a conscious decision to push Nanscawen into the umpire's path, and that therefore contact with the umpire was inevitable given the proximity of the umpire.

The AFL contended that forcefully pushing an opponent into an umpire is a clear breach of the duty of care owed to umpires.

Richmond submitted that the contact was not intentional but merely careless, as the push wasn't forceful but umpire contact occurred due to the position of the umpire and Sheerin's understanding of an umpire's usual movements in backing out of a stoppage.

The Tigers contended the umpire fell due to location of the contact made to her, which was low down and therefore had a destabilising effect, rather than being due to the force of the push.

Richmond's counsel Jonathan Barreiro argued that Sheerin's push was not only a normal football action but "good football craft" as she "never took her eye off the ball".

Sheerin gave evidence during the hearing, admitting that while she was "obviously very strong", she didn't use her full strength in pushing Nanscawen away to create space at the stoppage, instead claiming that she was merely extending her arms into the side of Nanscawen.

"We're taught to body-on with our opponent, I'm using my body so I own the space at this stoppage. I'm nudging my player towards the stoppage to create more space for me and a greater competitive advantage," she said.

"Correct stoppage craft would be to use my advantage. She showed me her back, so I'm trying to minimise her space by pushing her towards the ruck contest."

Sheerin said that while she knew the umpire would likely run backwards out of the stoppage after throwing the ball up, she denied intending for Nanscawen to be in the umpire's path.

"I have awareness of where the umpire is. Am I looking at her? No, I'm looking at the ball at this stage," she said.

"This is my first season in the midfield, I've played 10 or so games there so I'm familiar [with how an umpire leaves a stoppage]".

When asked by the AFL's counsel Amara Hughes as to why she didn't body-on with Nanscawen in a similar fashion as other midfield match-ups around the stoppage, Sheerin said she was doing that, the only difference was that her teammates' opponents were "holding their body weight better" while Nanscawen wasn't, which caused her to fall over.

In giving the Tribunal's reasons for finding Sheerin guilty of careless contact rather than forceful, Ms Enbom said that Sheerin's evidence was consistent with the vision of the incident, that her push did not appear to include much force, and that the panel was not satisfied of Sheerin's intention to push Nanscawen into the path of the umpire.

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1250860/richmond-gun-learns-fate-for-umpire-contact-at-tribunal

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2024, 03:11:33 PM »
The Aholes

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1250860/richmond-gun-learns-fate-for-umpire-contact-at-tribunal

Update: AFL to appeal Tiger's umpire contact sanction
The League is appealing the $200 fine handed down to Eilish Sheerin after she faced the AFLW Tribunal on Tuesday night

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2024, 08:44:57 PM »
The Aholes

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1250860/richmond-gun-learns-fate-for-umpire-contact-at-tribunal

Update: AFL to appeal Tiger's umpire contact sanction
The League is appealing the $200 fine handed down to Eilish Sheerin after she faced the AFLW Tribunal on Tuesday night

rather than appealing tribunal decisions Laura and her team should focus on improving the standard of umpiring. The AFL says the AFLW is an elite women's competition. If that's true then they would be doing everything in their power to ensure to make it that way.

I know many on here don't believe it but the standard of play has improved year on year pity we cannot say the same about the umpiring. It has gone backwards year on year and I am of no doubt it is impacting on the scorelines we are seeing.

Would be hysterical if the AFLW wins the appeal and the appeals board hands out a $100 fine
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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2024, 09:37:54 PM »
I know many on here don't believe it but the standard of play has improved year on year

To quote you on many threads

Care to name names?

Because if you are referring to me .. you’re a mile off the mark

It’s DEFINITELY improving year on year .. and will continue to do so

For me (my opinion), it’s still unwatchable rubbish .. pathetic standard .. albeit far less pathetic than years ago

Hoping it continues to improve and can become like NRLW (which I find far better to watch)

Girls have only started playing at school in the last half a dozen years .. we are a generation away from genuine improvement and a product that is “watchable”

And when it comes to this , I’m in the majority .. bums on seats and TV ratings don’t lie

It’s a pathetic product that I hope gets better in time .. it has the potential to do so

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2024, 10:08:15 PM »
I know many on here don't believe it but the standard of play has improved year on year

To quote you on many threads

Care to name names?

Because if you are referring to me .. you’re a mile off the mark

It’s DEFINITELY improving year on year .. and will continue to do so

For me (my opinion), it’s still unwatchable rubbish .. pathetic standard .. albeit far less pathetic than years ago

Hoping it continues to improve and can become like NRLW (which I find far better to watch)

Girls have only started playing at school in the last half a dozen years .. we are a generation away from genuine improvement and a product that is “watchable”

And when it comes to this , I’m in the majority .. bums on seats and TV ratings don’t lie

It’s a pathetic product that I hope gets better in time .. it has the potential to do so

Unlike others I'm prepared to name; names

Yes I was referring to you, Dio, Frankie, the Italian, to lesser extent Andyy and anyone else who constantly criticises the comp but then at the same time claim to never watch it

As for the rest of your post, no issues with it; respect your opinion. Obviously don't agree but we can agree to disagree I'm sure  :thumbsup

and BTW a FYI: this week's final H&A game at Punt Road Oval is a sellout 
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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2024, 10:25:56 PM »
and BTW a FYI: this week's final H&A game at Punt Road Oval is a sellout

997 people turned up at Punt Rd for the GWS game

Average crowds this year of 1672

If every player got extended family and friends to come , and a few die hards like yourself, we would be at those figures

In the future the figures will improve tenfold as the product improves

But I still stand by bums on seats and TV ratings not lying

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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #118 on: October 31, 2024, 09:28:29 PM »
The Aholes

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1250860/richmond-gun-learns-fate-for-umpire-contact-at-tribunal

Update: AFL to appeal Tiger's umpire contact sanction
The League is appealing the $200 fine handed down to Eilish Sheerin after she faced the AFLW Tribunal on Tuesday night

Appeals Board dismissed the AFL's appeal  :lol

Fine of $200 stands
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Re: AFLW: Richmond vs Essendon @ TIO Stadium --- Round 9, 2024
« Reply #119 on: November 01, 2024, 09:40:06 AM »
The Aholes

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1250860/richmond-gun-learns-fate-for-umpire-contact-at-tribunal

Update: AFL to appeal Tiger's umpire contact sanction
The League is appealing the $200 fine handed down to Eilish Sheerin after she faced the AFLW Tribunal on Tuesday night

Appeals Board dismissed the AFL's appeal  :lol

Fine of $200 stands

AFL should be fined for time wasting