Is the Wallace Model Flawed

[PuntRdRoar]

After watching the bullies tonight we gotta ask is the Wallace Model Flawed. What I saw tonight, my view is you cant win a flag with a team like that. The bulldogs are flawed and wont win a flag, that means our current model is also flawed although unlike the bulldogs our position is not irreparible. After what I saw, I think we can continue for one more draft going along current lines if it continues beyond that we'll be stuffed.

You need hard nosed, hard bodied midfielders who can get through the clinches, the bullies ran and ran and ran...and in the 3rd quarter they got no where against a team which is structurally a better team. The eagles are a better model, they have a better structure as do the Sydney Swans.

Anyone elses thoughts

[Jackstar]

Too many light weight bodies the doggies have

[mightytiges]

The intensity and pressure lifts 100-fold in finals so the time and space you get in the H/A season mostly disappears. Just shows three things that you critically need: 

1. Being able to execute skills and hit targets under pressure
2. 1%ers - blocking, tackling, shepharding, smothers, second and third efforts - are still as vital as ever in finals. You need to protect and open channels for the ball carrier and for that you need bigger stronger bodies.
3. Premiership sides still need a quality power key forward - Hall, Tredrea, Brown and Lynch, Carey, etc..

The doggies lacked all three tonight.

Of those three things, the second one is of most concern IMO as we totally suck at 1%ers and have done so in the 2 years under Wallace. We've gone from 16th to 12th to 9th yet still remain the worse team for executing 1%ers and tackling. We don't do nowhere near enough of the team things. The Eagles and Swans are the best in that area so no surprise we were uncompetitive against both of them.   

[Rodgerramjet]

The dogs never got into the game, it was probably the worst game i've seen from the dogs for awhile, looked flat were always second to the ball, didn't play there normal run and carry game in the first half because of the weather.

The eagles on the other hand were up and about but will have to still improve quite a bit if they think they will win the Final. There best quarter was the last.

[wayne]

The other thing is that the Doggies have Brian Harris, he tried hard, but he's quite often beaten by the number 1 forward of the opposition.

They just don't have the spine yet. You can have all the speed in the world but you need a spine.

[letsgetiton!]

After watching the bullies tonight we gotta ask is the Wallace Model Flawed. What I saw tonight, my view is you cant win a flag with a team like that. The bulldogs are flawed and wont win a flag, that means our current model is also flawed although unlike the bulldogs our position is not irreparible. After what I saw, I think we can continue for one more draft going along current lines if it continues beyond that we'll be stuffed.

You need hard nosed, hard bodied midfielders who can get through the clinches, the bullies ran and ran and ran...and in the 3rd quarter they got no where against a team which is structurally a better team. The eagles are a better model, they have a better structure as do the Sydney Swans.

Anyone elses thoughts

its not the wallace model
the wallace model is similar but requires a power fwd or 2 and a power defender.  wallace mentioned this when he coachd the doggies, that he was one power fwd away from having his formula complete
dont stress, the way the doggies are atm , with injuries and lack of a power fwd, is not the wallace model

[PuntRdRoar]

The injured players if they were all fit would not have changed the result. The dogs got flogged - if they had all there players they would have lost by 7 goals anyway.

[mightytiges]

Remember the Eagles were minor premiers while the doggies finished 8th. Superior skilled and hardened cattle especially in the midfield and having a big key forward counted for more than strategy IMO.

We do though need to find a power key forward to replace Richo by the time he retires. 

[Darth Tiger]

After watching the bullies tonight we gotta ask is the Wallace Model Flawed. What I saw tonight, my view is you cant win a flag with a team like that. The bulldogs are flawed and wont win a flag, that means our current model is also flawed although unlike the bulldogs our position is not irreparible. After what I saw, I think we can continue for one more draft going along current lines if it continues beyond that we'll be stuffed.

You need hard nosed, hard bodied midfielders who can get through the clinches, the bullies ran and ran and ran...and in the 3rd quarter they got no where against a team which is structurally a better team. The eagles are a better model, they have a better structure as do the Sydney Swans.

Anyone elses thoughts

its not the wallace model
the wallace model is similar but requires a power fwd or 2 and a power defender.  wallace mentioned this when he coachd the doggies, that he was one power fwd away from having his formula complete
dont stress, the way the doggies are atm , with injuries and lack of a power fwd, is not the wallace model

Agree RT, even Eade conceded that he has improvement in 16 out of the 22 players from that side on Saturday.

Put another 30 to 50 games experience into the developing juniors and combined with 2 key forwards and another key back and that club has the potential to win a flag in 4 years.

Only problem is that the senior players like Grant, Johnson & West may not be around to be a part of it.

[PuntRdRoar]

After watching the bullies tonight we gotta ask is the Wallace Model Flawed. What I saw tonight, my view is you cant win a flag with a team like that. The bulldogs are flawed and wont win a flag, that means our current model is also flawed although unlike the bulldogs our position is not irreparible. After what I saw, I think we can continue for one more draft going along current lines if it continues beyond that we'll be stuffed.

You need hard nosed, hard bodied midfielders who can get through the clinches, the bullies ran and ran and ran...and in the 3rd quarter they got no where against a team which is structurally a better team. The eagles are a better model, they have a better structure as do the Sydney Swans.

Anyone elses thoughts

its not the wallace model
the wallace model is similar but requires a power fwd or 2 and a power defender.  wallace mentioned this when he coachd the doggies, that he was one power fwd away from having his formula complete
dont stress, the way the doggies are atm , with injuries and lack of a power fwd, is not the wallace model

Agree RT, even Eade conceded that he has improvement in 16 out of the 22 players from that side on Saturday.

Put another 30 to 50 games experience into the developing juniors and combined with 2 key forwards and another key back and that club has the potential to win a flag in 4 years.

Only problem is that the senior players like Grant, Johnson & West may not be around to be a part of it.

so lets say the models ok...truth is most of these young bulldogs have been in the system for 6 to 7 years only Griffen & Cooney have been around a couple...of there key youngsters, so the equation becomes if you gotta wait 6 or 7 years + another 4...then your looking at a 10 year turnaround, whilst replacing key experienced players as theyre required- thats a very big ask and thats something to think about.

[Darth Tiger]

so lets say the models ok...truth is most of these young bulldogs have been in the system for 6 to 7 years only Griffen & Cooney have been around a couple...of there key youngsters, so the equation becomes if you gotta wait 6 or 7 years + another 4...then your looking at a 10 year turnaround, whilst replacing key experienced players as theyre required- thats a very big ask and thats something to think about.

Really only MacMahon, Murphy & Gia have been in the system for the 6 to 7 years and they play predominately a flankers role.

Other prime running midfielders like Ray, Boyd & Cross have been around for less.

[Gracie]

Just because you have the right model and you get players to match doesn't mean you automatically get in line for a premiership.

With 16 teams in the comp even if every team won in order that is one premiership every 16 years. In that case there would be plenty of very good footballers miss out.

You need to get quality players who play well together and better than the opposition and have a large slice of luck.

[mightytiges]

The Swans are a very unconventional side structurely compared to other premiership sides so any model depends on having the best cattle who can apply and play the best under finals pressure. The Swannies change from run and carry to tempo footy and vice versa throughout a game depending on whether they have the momentum or not and play unrelenting pressure footy. The most important thing for us is to get our recruiting and development right every year from now on so our boys how the talent, smarts, speed, fitness and body strength to play and win finals footy.