Trade week expectations?

[WilliamPowell]

It is a tough time of the year for fans - no doubt about that.

Because try as we might we end up getting attached to our players - that is why we are fans

Having said I will admit that this time around I am trying to make myself immune to the idea of blokes getting traded. After the way Cubba Kellaway was cut - I sort of decided it was the best way to be. I suppose in a way it has made me realise that tough calls have to be made and I may not like them or even understand them but at least the club is prepared to finally make them

[Tiger Spirit]

Looks like my list of whose not up to it and should be gone and wont ever be RFC premiership players will get a good start lol, I gotta say I feel disappointed when I read stuff like I wont buy this or that or I wont go to games if we trade player x y or z. We gotta support the coach, its his decision and so it should be, hes the one who if he doesnt get success at Richmond will probably never get another gig again. Wallace and Richmond are now inextricably linked and we cant move to any other result other than success coz both the club and the coach need for it happen, If Wallace fails then we'll be stuffed and looking at a Premiership drought that could run for a number years still even after his gone. Wallace must succeed and he needs to be let to make the moves.

I know you’re right in many respects Ramps, and you can be disappointed, but not as disappointed as me.  You made your decision about how to follow a team, and I have my own way, which doesn’t come with a switch ‘off’ button for when it suits.

The more I post about things, the more I realise there’s not much about the game or competition that I enjoy.  Trade week is one of them.  The whole thing seems a bit too contrived and regimented for me, that it takes away the fun of sport.  And who ever heard of a contented Richmond supporter before?

Yeah, I know, I need to get in the real world, but I’d rather not.  I have my ideals and if I don’t agree with the majority of what I’m experiencing then why would I want to keep hitting my head against a brick wall, ad infinitum, and paying for the privilege, in more ways than one?

[Tiger Spirit]

I think you can dismiss the following players.  Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo.  (Gasper is also contracted)

Just my opinion.

Who does that leave in the top 10?

Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????

I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from? 

TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.

Thanks MT.  Guess I can see things a little differently now that some things have been cleared up.

Using logic for a sec., since 2002, if Cogs has finished 3rd, 1st, 5th and was second in the B&F half way through this season, then how does that equate to a player who can’t follow instructions?  If not then there’s some coaches who need to re-think their voting system.

Why do I let myself get sucked into these things? 

Ouch.

[mightytiges]

I think you can dismiss the following players.  Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo.  (Gasper is also contracted)

Just my opinion.

Who does that leave in the top 10?

Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????

I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from? 

TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.

Thanks MT.  Guess I can see things a little differently now that some things have been cleared up.

Using logic for a sec., since 2002, if Cogs has finished 3rd, 1st, 5th and was second in the B&F half way through this season, then how does that equate to a player who can’t follow instructions?  If not then there’s some coaches who need to re-think their voting system.

Why do I let myself get sucked into these things? 

Ouch.

TS, don't apologise for being passionate about the Tiges 

Cogs was not one of the players who I was told couldn't follow instructions  .

[Loose Cannon]

Here is what I would do.
I would try to upgrade our no. 8 to top 4 using Tuck. With that pick you would go for Gumbleton, Hansen or Sellar. A guy you can build a team around. Tuck is a limited footballer, who will not be missed in the long term. Failing that I would get Riewolt.

Why not just get a topline mid, rather than the no 5 or 6 KPP? We have plenty of mids and miller et al have demonstrated the ability to pick them up low in the draft.

No. 26 I would attempt to get Thornton with. I can't believe we aren't chasing hard after this guy!!! Hopefully it is all smoke ane mirrors. Failing that Polak.

Trade one or more of Hyde, Hartigan or Krak for the right player or a second/third rounder. Pick up young mids with the picks we have left.

If Richmond does this it has balanced out it's list in one fell swoop. We now have a spine you can seriously have a tilt at a premiership with over the next couple of years. The problems with ball winning out of the centre will fix themselves as players like Polo, Raines, Meyer, Howat, Foley, Deledio and Tambling gain experience and size.
 

[Jackstar]

Excellent post for your first post. Only problem is that most clubs will try and trade established players in this draft to secure more picks in the top 20

[one-eyed]

AFL trade week info
07 October 2006   Herald-Sun

The rules for AFL trade week.

Starts: Monday 10.30am Ends: Friday 2pm

Officials from the 16 clubs will formally meet on Monday at Telstra Dome from 10.30am to 2.45pm.

Trade rules
1. Clubs can trade a player for a player(s) from another club.
2. Clubs can trade a player for a pick(s) from another club.
3. This year, clubs can trade one or more national draft picks for the selections of another club, without a player involved in the swap.

Last year 13 players were traded from eight of the 16 clubs and 18 draft selections also were exchanged.

National Draft: Saturday, November 25.

All clubs must have at least three selections at the national draft, but there is no maximum. As such, any pick beyond Round 3 is dependent on whether clubs delist enough players to have those selections.

However, any traded selection must be used at the draft.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20538794%255E19742,00.html

[mightytiges]

Here is what I would do.
I would try to upgrade our no. 8 to top 4 using Tuck. With that pick you would go for Gumbleton, Hansen or Sellar. A guy you can build a team around. Tuck is a limited footballer, who will not be missed in the long term. Failing that I would get Riewolt.

In that trade or from another I would like us to gain another pick to keep the overall trade period at least "player neutral". Giving up two for one even for a young gun affects your depth in the long run IMHO.

Why not just get a topline mid, rather than the no 5 or 6 KPP? We have plenty of mids and miller et al have demonstrated the ability to pick them up low in the draft.

Based on last year it seems that's Miller's philosophy too. Going for a midfielder in JON at 8 once talls like Kennedy and Ryder were gone. Miller didn't rate Clarke or Hughes as top 10ers. Luckily Hughes was still around at pick 24.

Trade one or more of Hyde, Hartigan or Krak for the right player or a second/third rounder. Pick up young mids with the picks we have left.

Talk of Cogs and Tuck could be a smokescreen for another fan favourite in Hydey. Who knows!  ???

If Richmond does this it has balanced out it's list in one fell swoop. We now have a spine you can seriously have a tilt at a premiership with over the next couple of years. The problems with ball winning out of the centre will fix themselves as players like Polo, Raines, Meyer, Howat, Foley, Deledio and Tambling gain experience and size.

I still think we need to add a classy ballwinning centreman in the Luke Hodge mold to our list of young mids. Perhaps Rainsey will eventually move full-time into the midfield for that role but that might be putting too much pressure on him trying to emulate his dad's efforts instead of just achieving his own destiny.

[mightytiges]

A top 5 pick is difficult but if rumours are correct then Brisbane are taking Armitage at 4, for mine Armitage would still be there at 8 so Brisbane could consider a deal of sorts, I havent exactly thought it through anyway Carlton supporters are getting excited with Tuck rumours also many of them believe offers of pick 17 & 19 or 17 & 24 (24 would be a pick generated from Hawthorn for Thornton) could get us to let Tuck go. Anyone consider 17 & 19 or 17 & 24 as worthwhile? These picks would leave us with 8, 17, 19 (or24), 26, 42 and 58.

If the club rates Calib Mourish highly then pick 17 would probably get him given all clubs will most likely use their first rounders on more familiar youngsters from the draft camp. We got picks 12 and 16 for Otto so trading for picks 17 and 19 isn't too dissimilar. I would prefer of course the Hawks coughing up pick 6 to Carlton for Thorton and then us getting that as part of a trade. Maybe get Birss from the doggies with a late pick similar to Paddy last year. Add Hyde or Krak + 42 for Perry + 20. That'd leave us with 5 picks in the top 26 of the draft - 6, 17, 19, 20 and 26.