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Trade Week: RFC Style
« on: October 12, 2006, 10:29:22 PM »
Everyone has their interpretation of trade week and this is mine.

Maybe it’s just me, but as each season goes by, more and more it seems like trade week has become an out clause that excuses Clubs from everything they told supporters leading up to that point.  Otherwise, why do I suddenly feel like someone who’s just been cheated on and lied to?

Over the years I’ve copped rattling tins, humiliating defeats, having my Club be the laughing stock of the AFL and even people laughing in my face when I said I was a Richmond supporter.  I didn’t like it, but I wore it.  What I won’t cop is the negligent way the Club now seemingly treats its players and supporters, with absolutely no regard for any relationships developed by the Club, leading up to trade week.

On the one hand, Clubs do all they can to build camaraderie, team harmony and spirit amongst players and have them develop an affinity for the place, and then spend time telling supporters how wonderful the future will be with these players, yet when it comes to trade week it’s like we’re played for fools or something.

Are people just expected to take everything the Club tells them as gospel, even though they say one thing on one day and then do another when it’s convenient?  I’m usually willing to go along with what’s best for the Club and have never had an issue with that, but there’s a limit for everyone and I don’t support messing with people’s emotions and generally treating them like they don’t really matter, in comparison to what’s good for the Club.

This might just be a game to them, or a job, but there are supporters who have invested and devoted themselves to the RFC cause.  Does that give the Club right of way to prey on people because they know that, no matter what happens or what they do, people will get over it, in time?  And anyway, the Club is always bigger than the individual, and that’s professional sport.

Which apparently makes it seem ok for Clubs to treat people with contempt.  An example of that, for me, is Cogs.  Whether he was genuinely put up for trade I don’t know, but where there’s smoke there’s fire.  The thing that gets me is that, when he started out he was seen as this shining light and blah blah blah and trundled out whenever the Club needed to dodge some bullets from the angry hordes, or put a positive spin on things, through some ordinary times.  He no doubt did it because it was in the best interests of the Club.  And anyway, down the track the Club would surely repay his faith.

That was then and this is now, and what is good for the club one day doesn’t necessarily correspond with what is good for the club on another, because circumstances change.  That may be so, and to be expected even, but where’s the consistency in the way people are treated from one day to the next, especially during trade week?

Regardless of all the attempts made to convince players that this is the place to be and that their best interests will be taken care of by the Club, come trade week, that all seems to count for nothing.

Instead, players and supporters alike are supposed to conveniently forget everything that happened before and go along with whatever the Club is telling us is in its best interests now.  Never mind the carcases that lay strewn, and the endless list of tortured souls, all of whom nobly suffered in the best interests of the Club.  After all, they’re not what matters in all of this, are they?

And when the week is over and deals fall through, or whatever, they’ll just expect everyone to just resume normal transmission, won’t they?  No big deal really.

Well, they can expect that, but not when they promote the current flavour of the month player(s) as the future of the Club, have supporters develop attachments to them and then when it comes to trade week just pretend none of that ever happened and that it’s ok to use them as trade bait, because it’s in the best interests of the Club.

In the real world, where I choose to make infrequent appearances, players get traded for various reasons, each year.  Sometimes it’s best for a player and Club to part company.  Fine.  Some even get to play in premierships because of it, ironically, just none that have been traded to RFC in recent memory.  Good luck to the lucky ones.

Maybe players are so well drilled and resilient enough to deal with these things and recover quickly from such things.  But it doesn’t alter how it reflects on any Club.  Not to me it doesn’t.

Where is the credence when they can feed us sweet nothings for 51 weeks of the year and then when trade week comes around they adopt the ‘anything (and anyone) goes’ approach?  How is my battered mind supposed to deal with that?  Are they stark raving mad?  That could explain it, otherwise I don’t get it.

And what exactly has G. Polak done throughout his career thus far, to justify such attention, apart from being tall enough to be a KPP?  And no, I haven’t read the ‘Could Polak play Full Back’ thread.  Like I care right now.

Apart from the mixed messages this time of year sends, this ‘use and abuse’ mentality doesn’t fill me with the confidence to think that the Club is building the foundations for success.  Rather, if this is an example of things to come, it seems to expect to find the answers to its shortcomings by replacing what seemed like foundations already set in concrete with those built on flimsier stuff.

The whole thing just makes me feel like I’ve been taken for a ride.  Ha, sucked in again.
First they sell their spin to those players and supporters who will listen, spend years building up their emotional attachment to all things RFC, and then inexplicably proceed to put them through the wringer, without even blinking.

If that’s what they think of the people that have given the most, and how they treat them, then what hope is there of this Club ever achieving anything of any significance?  I ask myself.  And where is the pride in any of that?

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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 11:00:25 PM »
I get the feeling theres gonna be alot of disappointed people tomorrow.

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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 11:36:16 PM »
Maybe it’s just me, but as each season goes by, more and more it seems like trade week has become an out clause that excuses Clubs from everything they told supporters leading up to that point.  Otherwise, why do I suddenly feel like someone who’s just been cheated on and lied to?

Over the years I’ve copped rattling tins, humiliating defeats, having my Club be the laughing stock of the AFL and even people laughing in my face when I said I was a Richmond supporter.  I didn’t like it, but I wore it.  What I won’t cop is the negligent way the Club now seemingly treats its players and supporters, with absolutely no regard for any relationships developed by the Club, leading up to trade week.

On the one hand, Clubs do all they can to build camaraderie, team harmony and spirit amongst players and have them develop an affinity for the place, and then spend time telling supporters how wonderful the future will be with these players, yet when it comes to trade week it’s like we’re played for fools or something.

While there is alot of truth to your post TS, I don't think it is always that one-sided. Gas and Holland put the "give me X dollars or I'm off" threat towards the club while Otto wanted out and basically blamed the RFC for his poor form. Even Cambo threatened to walk to the North if change wasn't implemented. Heading the other way we got a bulldogs favourite in Browny and Roy boys like Brodders and Micky Gale. There's also the legal requirement for the AFL to have a "trade week" to avoid being taken to court over restraint of trade. Players come and go whether traded or delisted and football changes from week to week let alone what circumstances arise from year to year. Who would have thought when Cogs was our "it's in the blood" banner boy that he'd a suffer from OP and then do a knee  :'(. He's still a Tiger btw unless something surprising happens before the 2pm deadline.

The average AFL footballer lasts for what 3 years (?) in the system (and it is the system). Most players would be aware this week's meat market is part of being an AFL footballer. Also don't forget the coach. It's his head gone too if the club fails to perform over a period of time. Sometimes tough unpopular decisions need to be made.

As for us supporters it's probably wise to step outside the spin now and then. I mean who actually believes every single word from the puff pieces written by a certain club media manager  ;). Hope is one of the key selling mechanisms for every club especially for those whom haven't had success for a very very long time like us. Without it and the overall sense of love and loyality why would almost 30,000 people hand over their hard earned to a group of basically strangers who run and play for a footy club that has only made the finals twice in the past 24 years.

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And what exactly has G. Polak done throughout his career thus far, to justify such attention, apart from being tall enough to be a KPP?  And no, I haven’t read the ‘Could Polak play Full Back’ thread.  Like I care right now.

If you can answer that one TS then we'd all like to know. Almost 200 posts on a non-Richmond player.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 11:38:42 PM »
Everyone has their interpretation of trade week and this is mine.

Maybe it’s just me, but as each season goes by, more and more it seems like trade week has become an out clause that excuses Clubs from everything they told supporters leading up to that point.  Otherwise, why do I suddenly feel like someone who’s just been cheated on and lied to?

Over the years I’ve copped rattling tins, humiliating defeats, having my Club be the laughing stock of the AFL and even people laughing in my face when I said I was a Richmond supporter.  I didn’t like it, but I wore it.  What I won’t cop is the negligent way the Club now seemingly treats its players and supporters, with absolutely no regard for any relationships developed by the Club, leading up to trade week.

On the one hand, Clubs do all they can to build camaraderie, team harmony and spirit amongst players and have them develop an affinity for the place, and then spend time telling supporters how wonderful the future will be with these players, yet when it comes to trade week it’s like we’re played for fools or something.

Are people just expected to take everything the Club tells them as gospel, even though they say one thing on one day and then do another when it’s convenient?  I’m usually willing to go along with what’s best for the Club and have never had an issue with that, but there’s a limit for everyone and I don’t support messing with people’s emotions and generally treating them like they don’t really matter, in comparison to what’s good for the Club.

This might just be a game to them, or a job, but there are supporters who have invested and devoted themselves to the RFC cause.  Does that give the Club right of way to prey on people because they know that, no matter what happens or what they do, people will get over it, in time?  And anyway, the Club is always bigger than the individual, and that’s professional sport.

Which apparently makes it seem ok for Clubs to treat people with contempt.  An example of that, for me, is Cogs.  Whether he was genuinely put up for trade I don’t know, but where there’s smoke there’s fire.  The thing that gets me is that, when he started out he was seen as this shining light and blah blah blah and trundled out whenever the Club needed to dodge some bullets from the angry hordes, or put a positive spin on things, through some ordinary times.  He no doubt did it because it was in the best interests of the Club.  And anyway, down the track the Club would surely repay his faith.

That was then and this is now, and what is good for the club one day doesn’t necessarily correspond with what is good for the club on another, because circumstances change.  That may be so, and to be expected even, but where’s the consistency in the way people are treated from one day to the next, especially during trade week?

Regardless of all the attempts made to convince players that this is the place to be and that their best interests will be taken care of by the Club, come trade week, that all seems to count for nothing.

Instead, players and supporters alike are supposed to conveniently forget everything that happened before and go along with whatever the Club is telling us is in its best interests now.  Never mind the carcases that lay strewn, and the endless list of tortured souls, all of whom nobly suffered in the best interests of the Club.  After all, they’re not what matters in all of this, are they?

And when the week is over and deals fall through, or whatever, they’ll just expect everyone to just resume normal transmission, won’t they?  No big deal really.

Well, they can expect that, but not when they promote the current flavour of the month player(s) as the future of the Club, have supporters develop attachments to them and then when it comes to trade week just pretend none of that ever happened and that it’s ok to use them as trade bait, because it’s in the best interests of the Club.

In the real world, where I choose to make infrequent appearances, players get traded for various reasons, each year.  Sometimes it’s best for a player and Club to part company.  Fine.  Some even get to play in premierships because of it, ironically, just none that have been traded to RFC in recent memory.  Good luck to the lucky ones.

Maybe players are so well drilled and resilient enough to deal with these things and recover quickly from such things.  But it doesn’t alter how it reflects on any Club.  Not to me it doesn’t.

Where is the credence when they can feed us sweet nothings for 51 weeks of the year and then when trade week comes around they adopt the ‘anything (and anyone) goes’ approach?  How is my battered mind supposed to deal with that?  Are they stark raving mad?  That could explain it, otherwise I don’t get it.

And what exactly has G. Polak done throughout his career thus far, to justify such attention, apart from being tall enough to be a KPP?  And no, I haven’t read the ‘Could Polak play Full Back’ thread.  Like I care right now.

Apart from the mixed messages this time of year sends, this ‘use and abuse’ mentality doesn’t fill me with the confidence to think that the Club is building the foundations for success.  Rather, if this is an example of things to come, it seems to expect to find the answers to its shortcomings by replacing what seemed like foundations already set in concrete with those built on flimsier stuff.

The whole thing just makes me feel like I’ve been taken for a ride.  Ha, sucked in again.
First they sell their spin to those players and supporters who will listen, spend years building up their emotional attachment to all things RFC, and then inexplicably proceed to put them through the wringer, without even blinking.

If that’s what they think of the people that have given the most, and how they treat them, then what hope is there of this Club ever achieving anything of any significance?  I ask myself.  And where is the pride in any of that?

 :help

Sounds like someone has thrown the baby out with the bath water.

What is it your actually trying to tell us?
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 11:44:12 PM »
I get the feeling theres gonna be alot of disappointed people tomorrow.


Coughlan, Polo or Deledio and pick 8 for Polak.

Mate the ferals really would burn down the clubhouse with Miller in it
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 11:45:39 PM »
Maybe it’s just me, but as each season goes by, more and more it seems like trade week has become an out clause that excuses Clubs from everything they told supporters leading up to that point.  Otherwise, why do I suddenly feel like someone who’s just been cheated on and lied to?

Over the years I’ve copped rattling tins, humiliating defeats, having my Club be the laughing stock of the AFL and even people laughing in my face when I said I was a Richmond supporter.  I didn’t like it, but I wore it.  What I won’t cop is the negligent way the Club now seemingly treats its players and supporters, with absolutely no regard for any relationships developed by the Club, leading up to trade week.

On the one hand, Clubs do all they can to build camaraderie, team harmony and spirit amongst players and have them develop an affinity for the place, and then spend time telling supporters how wonderful the future will be with these players, yet when it comes to trade week it’s like we’re played for fools or something.

Tremendous post MT. Spot on.

While there is alot of truth to your post TS, I don't think it is always that one-sided. Gas and Holland put the "give me X dollars or I'm off" threat towards the club while Otto wanted out and basically blamed the RFC for his poor form. Even Cambo threatened to walk to the North if change wasn't implemented. Heading the other way we got a bulldogs favourite in Browny and Roy boys like Brodders and Micky Gale. There's also the legal requirement for the AFL to have a "trade week" to avoid being taken to court over restraint of trade. Players come and go whether traded or delisted and football changes from week to week let alone what circumstances arise from year to year. Who would have thought when Cogs was our "it's in the blood" banner boy that he'd a suffer from OP and then do a knee  :'(. He's still a Tiger btw unless something surprising happens before the 2pm deadline.

The average AFL footballer lasts for what 3 years (?) in the system (and it is the system). Most players would be aware this week's meat market is part of being an AFL footballer. Also don't forget the coach. It's his head gone too if the club fails to perform over a period of time. Sometimes tough unpopular decisions need to be made.

As for us supporters it's probably wise to step outside the spin now and then. I mean who actually believes every single word from the puff pieces written by a certain club media manager  ;). Hope is one of the key selling mechanisms for every club especially for those whom haven't had success for a very very long time like us. Without it and the overall sense of love and loyality why would almost 30,000 people hand over their hard earned to a group of basically strangers who run and play for a footy club that has only made the finals twice in the past 24 years.

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And what exactly has G. Polak done throughout his career thus far, to justify such attention, apart from being tall enough to be a KPP?  And no, I haven’t read the ‘Could Polak play Full Back’ thread.  Like I care right now.

If you can answer that one TS then we'd all like to know. Almost 200 posts on a non-Richmond player.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 01:35:22 AM »
In my opinion, TS, a lot of your woes of trade week are a product of the commercialisation of the game. Sure, players have been crossing over to rival clubs since the league began, but it used to be really big news when a player changed clubs, now it is all bundled up into meat market categories like 'trade week'. The emergence of the player/manager has been a key to this atmosphere in footy that you are describing.
btw, where was Coughlan's manager when he was conned as a youngster to spearhead our promo campaign??

Anyway TS, my advice is get down to a local footy match and watch that once in a while (or play if you can!) You can get all the enjoyment that you can at the afl level, yet pies are only $2!
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Re: Trade Week - A ghoulish practice (The Age)
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2006, 02:12:57 AM »
A ghoulish practice
Greg Baum
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October 14, 2006

IT MUST have been like this once when slavers met to pick over the offerings. It is cruel, impersonal and absurdly protracted. Names and numbers become interchangeable. The names belong to people, flesh and blood, but that is easily forgotten in trade week.

It is entertaining, but only in the ghoulish way that medieval stocks were entertaining once, or a house auction now. It is the sort of entertainment that derives from watching others at the capricious mercy of forces they cannot control, but can expect to be malign: the crowd gathered before the stocks, market forces at the auction, the imperative of success in trade week.

The players sign up for this system from teenagehood, but it is not as if they have a choice. They want to play league football; well, this is league football.

Tacitly, all — clubs, managers, players — know from the day they sign that a parting is possible, even probable.

Nonetheless, when the time comes, folk get hurt. Even to be mentioned in trade talk is a form of rejection.

For those who go, this rejection is consummated. For those who ultimately stay, the relationship necessarily must become more strained than previously.

Jason Johnson is still at Essendon, but it is not hard to imagine that he is more cynically disposed to the club and the game than previously.

The hurt cuts the other way when a player rejects a club. Bret Thornton wanted to leave Carlton. Carlton baulked him.

The Blues doubtlessly thought they were making a statement. But it is impossible to think that Thornton can ever play good football for them again.

Trade week rarely serves its purpose. For all the speculation, only nine players changed clubs. Of these, possibly only three — Peter Everitt, Jason Akermanis and Graham Polak — went to their preferred destinations. Chris Tarrant wanted to go to West Coast. Others were reluctant to go anywhere. Moreover, it took until the 11th hour for six of the nine deals to proceed.

Meantime, all the players whose names were mentioned tried to sleep, eat normally and not jump when the phone rang. One former player yesterday called it a "horrible" week.

Clubs scarcely find it any more enjoyable. For managers, it is a contrary time. They don't like it much, either, but at the same time, it gives them a chance to show their worth.

Fans find it unsatisfactory. Their clubs rarely do the deals they want, and when the dust settles, they must come to terms with the disorienting image of a once — and perhaps still — favourite son in a foreign guernsey.

But football, for all the noble ideals claimed for it, is a dirty business. A 10th deal did emerge yesterday, that of Kangaroos chief executive Geoff Walsh to Collingwood. Plainly, that will hurt the Kangaroos, who are always vulnerable anyway. But it will help to re-establish football's natural order, with the Magpies among the most loathed.

So a hard, necessary week ends. As Winston Churchill said of democracy, so it might be said of trade week, that it is the worst system, except for all the other systems.

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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2006, 11:16:44 AM »
While there is alot of truth to your post TS, I don't think it is always that one-sided. Gas and Holland put the "give me X dollars or I'm off" threat towards the club while Otto wanted out and basically blamed the RFC for his poor form. Even Cambo threatened to walk to the North if change wasn't implemented. Heading the other way we got a bulldogs favourite in Browny and Roy boys like Brodders and Micky Gale. There's also the legal requirement for the AFL to have a "trade week" to avoid being taken to court over restraint of trade. Players come and go whether traded or delisted and football changes from week to week let alone what circumstances arise from year to year. Who would have thought when Cogs was our "it's in the blood" banner boy that he'd a suffer from OP and then do a knee  :'(. He's still a Tiger btw unless something surprising happens before the 2pm deadline.

The average AFL footballer lasts for what 3 years (?) in the system (and it is the system). Most players would be aware this week's meat market is part of being an AFL footballer. Also don't forget the coach. It's his head gone too if the club fails to perform over a period of time. Sometimes tough unpopular decisions need to be made.

The fact it’s not a one-sided thing doesn’t justify trade week being the meat market it is.  The attitude by clubs and some players/managers just perpetuates the whole thing.

Maybe if Clubs adopted a consistent approach to dealing with players, rather than stooping to the lowest of low levels through trade week, that the whole week wouldn’t unfold the way it does where, each year, bridges have to be mended with those players whose names have been put up for trade, for whatever reason, and then have fallen through.

If there was even a little bit of integrity in how the whole week happens, between clubs/players/managers then maybe it wouldn’t need to be the meat market it is.  It has to start from somewhere otherwise how can the system ever change?  But I guess that’s me just living in my own unreal world.

If a player/club relationship just isn’t working and they want to part company then we can’t really argue with that.  But if it ain’t broke why rock the boat?  And if there’s an issue with a player then be decisive and have the guts to follow through with dealings, rather than leaving people in two minds when half hearted attempts are made to instigate trades, and cause unnecessary angst for all concerned.  If they’re not truly prepared to deal, then at least have enough sense to consider that there’s life after trade week.  Where’s the credibility when clubs act in this way?

As for us supporters it's probably wise to step outside the spin now and then. I mean who actually believes every single word from the puff pieces written by a certain club media manager  ;). Hope is one of the key selling mechanisms for every club especially for those whom haven't had success for a very very long time like us. Without it and the overall sense of love and loyality why would almost 30,000 people hand over their hard earned to a group of basically strangers who run and play for a footy club that has only made the finals twice in the past 24 years.

Even though I might be gullible, I can make up my mind as to what’s spin and what’s not.  But because you want your club to succeed you’re happy to go along with what’s best.  Even so, how can you be expected to take them as mildly genuine or serious when trade week has the potential to unravel any credibility the club may have gained throughout the rest of the year, in its dealings with players/supporters and members?

We all have hope, but what gives us hope?  Does it come just from what they tell us, or we just have it?  Everyone will be different.

As much as Richmond has meant to me, what I really struggled with this week was that I couldn’t see myself supporting an organisation that had no sense of pride or responsibility towards the ground work done by many, leading up to trade week.

It was like any hope that I previously had was all but eroded, and that RFC was suddenly a fraud.
What saved things, to some degree, was that Gary March came out with some common sense, decency and perspective on things.  At least there’s one person at the Club who doesn’t seem to have been swallowed up by the huff and puff that is trade week.

Just the same, the whole week has left me flat and even more than a little disillusioned.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2006, 11:19:18 AM »
Sounds like someone has thrown the baby out with the bath water.

What is it your actually trying to tell us?

In a nutshell, I hate trade week and all it stands for.

What happens in 1 week of trade week goes against everything that happens for the other 51 weeks of the year.  If it makes sense and sits comfortably with people then I must be from a different planet.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2006, 11:24:59 AM »
In my opinion, TS, a lot of your woes of trade week are a product of the commercialisation of the game. Sure, players have been crossing over to rival clubs since the league began, but it used to be really big news when a player changed clubs, now it is all bundled up into meat market categories like 'trade week'. The emergence of the player/manager has been a key to this atmosphere in footy that you are describing.

Don’t I know it DC.  Me and professional sport do not a good mix make.  Me thinks.

btw, where was Coughlan's manager when he was conned as a youngster to spearhead our promo campaign??

When you see some of these things unfold, you wonder exactly who’s looking after whose interests at times.

Anyway TS, my advice is get down to a local footy match and watch that once in a while (or play if you can!) You can get all the enjoyment that you can at the afl level, yet pies are only $2!

Couldn’t play to save myself, DC.  But over the last few seasons I have thought that maybe local footy would be more my go.

Guess what keeps me interested in the AFL is some fanciful notion that maybe we’ll win a flag one day.  Hope I still have enough enthusiasm left for when that day arrives.  Would feel a bit cheated to get through all the miserable times and then not care enough when success finally arrives.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2006, 12:54:15 PM »
Like it or not, fans and players know what the deal is these days.
They know they can be traded, dumped, abused unmercifully (g'day Tiv lol) and thrown to the wolves.
They knew what happened when they originally signed on the dotted line, or put themselves up for the draft, that this was what it was all about, so there should be no bleating by players.
FFS, the youngest probably earns double I do  :banghead
 
To me, TS, the supporter is gradually changing their stripes as well.  With rare exceptions, like Richo, Knighter and probably few others, we couldn't care less where they went these days as long as the team was improving.  I mean, we care and get angry at first, but it lasts five seconds when we see something younger and better come along.
Harsh, but true.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2006, 08:59:29 PM »
To me, TS, the supporter is gradually changing their stripes as well. With rare exceptions, like Richo, Knighter and probably few others, we couldn't care less where they went these days as long as the team was improving. I mean, we care and get angry at first, but it lasts five seconds when we see something younger and better come along.
Harsh, but true.

Most are probably prepared to accept that’s how things are, Moi.  But I guess that’s partly why my enthusiasm doesn’t seem the same.  It’s all just a bit too clinical and matter of fact for me.

I still care, because I don’t know how not to, and I’m not sure what life is like without Richmond in it.  Besides, no one would ever believe me if they were any different.

I'm still here, so that must say something.  Or maybe I'm just angry about the whole thing that I need to vent.  Guess I'll find out if time heals all, as they say.  If it’s one thing I know, it’s never to underestimate RFC’s ability to kick you in the head and then, before you know it, restore your faith.  Guess I’ll find out soon enough if that ability is still there.

Doesn't mean things can't be done better, with more heart, more professionalism so that the negative feelinigs like you have don't fester and ruin it all for you.

I know they can be done better, it’s a matter of whether they will be that I can’t be so certain of.  One thing I’m sure of is that if people are prepared to accept things the way they are then nothing can or will change.  And it’s purely because the people it impacts on most accept them that they continue to happen in the same way.

Or maybe it’s just that the better clubs do business with a modicum of respect for people, while others flounder, and with good reason.

If you're that disheartened, take a step back and leave it for a while. Come March you'll be firing again :thumbsup

I can only hope.  What a kick in the head if I went through all this and then we win a GF and it means nothing to me.  How funny could that be? :nope
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2006, 09:32:06 PM »
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Tacitly, all — clubs, managers, players — know from the day they sign that a parting is possible, even probable.

Nonetheless, when the time comes, folk get hurt. Even to be mentioned in trade talk is a form of rejection.

For those who go, this rejection is consummated. For those who ultimately stay, the relationship necessarily must become more strained than previously.

Unless I’ve got this figured all wrong then it seems to me that the clubs that have gone on to have success are the ones that have nurtured team spirit amongst a strong core group of players, who have remained together for a number of seasons.

But the way some clubs approach trade week seems totally the opposite to that.  Come trade week, what generally seems to happen is that clubs float names to see what response they get from other clubs and to also gauge public reaction.

As far as good business sense goes, that would seem a nonsense, because unless those stronger clubs actually wanted to effect a trade then why would they put up names of valued players, just to gauge what sort of response they would get from other clubs and/or the public?  Thereby putting at risk the culture and team harmony they had started to develop if there were no takers.

The players off loaded by stronger clubs are generally those on the fringe, who either don’t fit into the team structure or don’t promote team harmony.

Without knowing anything really, it seems to me that what RFC did was to go the nonsensical way of floating some names, without knowing what the response from other clubs or the public would be.  Why wouldn't they already know that, to some degree?

Anyway, if they thought that any of the players mentioned didn’t fit in with the Club’s future plans then why are all of them still on our list, and, from their point of view, why does what the public think even come into it?  Those players are either of value to the future direction of the club or they’re not.

And if they are still of value to the team and club then why create a situation that has the potential to disrupt the, I assume, positive relationship that already existed between players and club?  It just seems such a risky way to do business and pays no respect to the players either.

And the only positive out of the whole thing is if it acts as a spur to those players.  You’d like to think that was the method in the madness, otherwise it was an exercise in the ridiculous, because the way the whole thing unfolded appears wishy washy, at best.
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Re: Trade Week: RFC Style
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2006, 04:26:39 AM »
The fact it’s not a one-sided thing doesn’t justify trade week being the meat market it is.  The attitude by clubs and some players/managers just perpetuates the whole thing.

Maybe if Clubs adopted a consistent approach to dealing with players, rather than stooping to the lowest of low levels through trade week, that the whole week wouldn’t unfold the way it does where, each year, bridges have to be mended with those players whose names have been put up for trade, for whatever reason, and then have fallen through.

If there was even a little bit of integrity in how the whole week happens, between clubs/players/managers then maybe it wouldn’t need to be the meat market it is.  It has to start from somewhere otherwise how can the system ever change?  But I guess that’s me just living in my own unreal world.

Trade week goes for too long in the first place. 5 days wasted for only 8 trades which aren't signed off until the final couple of hours is just plain ridiculous. IMO it just encourages gossip and names to be thrown about. I think it was Neil Balme this week who said having 5 days means two clubs will just about agree on one trade deal before another club will come along and offer a different deal followed by another and then nothing gets sorted out. At most all you need is 2 days. Trade period should be about getting trades done as quickly as possible; not who can hold the best poker face the longest.

It also is a joke when you have a certain Victorian club official telling porkies publicly and saying his club had received a (ficticious) better offer for their veteran ruckman to try and squeeze more out of another club. I wonder what happened to this better offer when his club accepted an inferior deal to the one he had claimed existed earlier in the week ::).

Even though I might be gullible, I can make up my mind as to what’s spin and what’s not.  But because you want your club to succeed you’re happy to go along with what’s best.  Even so, how can you be expected to take them as mildly genuine or serious when trade week has the potential to unravel any credibility the club may have gained throughout the rest of the year, in its dealings with players/supporters and members?

You're one of the last people I'd call gullible TS. Nothing wrong with questioning remarks and decisions made by the Club :thumbsup.

What saved things, to some degree, was that Gary March came out with some common sense, decency and perspective on things.  At least there’s one person at the Club who doesn’t seem to have been swallowed up by the huff and puff that is trade week.

He still contradicted Miller who had said we needed to trade a player on similar dollars to get Polak. I guess March can't now complain when Miller says to him he needs X amount of dollars more for the footy department lol. Miller did say afterwards that March had full confidence in his decisions and they would worry about finding the extra dough on Monday.
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