Cogs Gone Again

[mightytiges]

i have had 3 knee recos, no felt sorry 4 me.

X, you never won a B&F for the tiges mate thats why!

Coggers was a bright hope in a pretty dark period for Richmond. I hope he can come back, but honestly if he has done it in a slight slip in the shower then you'd have to wonder if the knee is up to it.
Also agree with Ramps, I thought the game was slipping away from him. He didn't even look interested towards the end, his body language was frustrating me, and he was huffing and puffing and giving up on contests.

lewis roberts thompson would have won a brownlow 4 us in that yr, ffs, if my knees never caved in and i played for the tigers that yr i would have won one.

cogs won won , but he will be forgotten in no time. he will be like pope john paul I, the pope that was really never the pope, forgotten in no time

Cogs won his B&F in 2003; not 2004. Should Joel hand back his first one because he played in one of the worst Richmond sides of all time? We did win 6 of our first 8 games in 2003 in spite of Spud's coaching  . All of us hacks wouldn't get near an AFL list, even Carlton's lol, let alone winning a club B&F.

Losing Cogs to injury during his prime years sets us back even taking into account his deficiencies. 80 games of experience and leadership lost.

[JohnF]

draga was worth the risk trying to hang onto. in the end , it didnt help hanging on, but draga was a far better skilled and smarter footballer than cogs. as ramps said, the game passed by cogs b4 , when he had pubic instability.

we should have traded him to WA as soon as he won the JD medal

Draga was not fit to polish Coughlan's balls

When he was fit Coughlan was still our best midfielder imo, despite his limitations. Will be missed, just as Tony Free was.

[Ramps]

I also have concerns with the training regime, especially of players like JON- Slight and lean in stature etc. The slight aboriginal boys cant be slaughtered on the track atleast not in the first 2 preseasons. Whats the point, JON hasnt done a preseason at all...we need to be more professional in this regard.

[Moi]

Yes I agree with Jack - it's a bit of a worry.

Yep, I kinda agree with Jack as well and that's a real worry 
But if the players don't get the mileage in their legs etc doesn't that create another set of problems fitness wise during a season?
Wouldn't it be better to run them hard over summer and taper off at some stage to get them through the season?

[Jackstar]

They need miles in the legs but the speed they are doing it in is a real concern,
They slaughted Tambling in his first year at Tigerland ,and now young Kids like JON are walking around on crutches.
We train too hard. The amount of injuries we have is a joke.
If you all remember, we used every player on our list lasy year, why ? Injuries. Heaps of soft tissue through bodies overworked.

[WilliamPowell]

Realistically though, his field kicking was poor last year, this will only set him back further.

Have to say I agree with Jack and X here - I reckon his kicking since he had the OP has been poor. It had no penetration and as a result he kicked high floaters. Also I reckon his pace suffered terribly (not that he was that quick to begin with) after the OP but that is all secondary now - massive ask to come back from 2 knee recos.

For what its worth, i reckon we train much too hard. Too many players are injured at present at thats a real worry.
Even this NAB thing in regards to players earning there spot makes young players peak way too early and by round 14 onwards, they are stuffed.
Dont see the swans or West Coast having too many injury problems lately

Another good point Jack.

With the Swans it is clear they don't really give a rats about the NAC Cup - where we are so desperate to win something, anything; that I reckon we train hard for it and late in the season we pay for it.

To be honest the thing that really concerns me with this injury is the fact that Cogs didn't say anything when it first happened. Why? He's coming back from a reco, he's hurt it and and it doesn't feel right but he keeps training.

I don't get it  ???

[mightytiges]

They need miles in the legs but the speed they are doing it in is a real concern,
They slaughted Tambling in his first year at Tigerland ,and now young Kids like JON are walking around on crutches.
We train too hard. The amount of injuries we have is a joke.
If you all remember, we used every player on our list lasy year, why ? Injuries. Heaps of soft tissue through bodies overworked.

Not saying our youngsters aren't trained hard but we had heaps of non soft tissue footy related injuries as well that were more costly:

Browny - Broken leg recovery
Newman - Broken leg
Cogs - ACL
Thursty - ACL due to collision
Schulz - Broken collarbone
JON - Broken collarbone
Meyer - Broken bone in foot
Hartigan - Broken bone in foot
Kellaway - hammy while surfing
Roach - Broken jaw

Soft tissue ones:
Chaffey - OP
Gas - knee
Richo - knee drained
Casserly - OP
Jacko - hammy
Browny - hammy
Moore - groin?
Razor - groin?
Knobel - groin?

[Jacosh]

What a fickle bunch we are, everyone loved him a few years ago. I hope he doesnt come in and read some of the posts, dont get me wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion.  My wish is all the best to him over the next twelve months so he can come back as good as can be and prove us all wrong by winning another B/F.

[mightytiges]

To be honest the thing that really concerns me with this injury is the fact that Cogs didn't say anything when it first happened. Why? He's coming back from a reco, he's hurt it and and it doesn't feel right but he keeps training.

I don't get it  ???

And Cogs did the same thing during the Hawks game. Hurt his knee, went off and then came back on before it completely went on him.

Another thing that stood out for me in terms of training was that Cogs just had compression bandages around his recovering knee while over at the Dogs training Murphy still is wearing some sort of proper knee brace even when kicking the footy. Now Cogs knee may have gone anyway anytime soon as the graft hadn't come good like it should have but slipping in a shower when you're coming back from a ACL is something that should be avoidable  .

[tiga]

Are we trying too hard to get to where we need to be?? Has Wallace been pressured by the club and sponsors to reduce his 5 year plan with the result players being pushed too hard during training in an attempt to achieve success too early? There are a lot of expectations for this season which may result in our undoing on the injury front.
Just like everyone here, I too want to see a premiership sooner rather than later but even if it takes another 20 years I will still be a tiger supporter through and through. Sponsors however may not be so forgiving and the board will be pressured to ensure revenues from memberships and gate takings continue their upward trend. Ultimately it is the coach and the players responsibility to perform and as others have said, I just hope we don't peak to early. The Cats are a classic example from last season.   

[the_boy_jake]

What a fickle bunch we are, everyone loved him a few years ago. I hope he doesnt come in and read some of the posts, dont get me wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion.  My wish is all the best to him over the next twelve months so he can come back as good as can be and prove us all wrong by winning another B/F.

Not really fickle is it seeing he's probably been paid $200k+ p.a. to be pretty schit at his job for the last two years. Couldn't give a fvk if he moves right along really - he's had the time of his life and he's hardly poor, people have to pick themselves up and start again in all walks of life.

[Jackstar]

Try $325,000 plus a year.
Now how many people here earn that sort of money.?? Dont all post at once, the server could got into melt down

[mightytiges]

They get paid that kind of money for this exact scenario. Potentially finished at just 25 with injuries that'll effect them for the rest of their life.

Are we trying too hard to get to where we need to be?? Has Wallace been pressured by the club and sponsors to reduce his 5 year plan with the result players being pushed too hard during training in an attempt to achieve success too early? There are a lot of expectations for this season which may result in our undoing on the injury front.
Just like everyone here, I too want to see a premiership sooner rather than later but even if it takes another 20 years I will still be a tiger supporter through and through. Sponsors however may not be so forgiving and the board will be pressured to ensure revenues from memberships and gate takings continue their upward trend. Ultimately it is the coach and the players responsibility to perform and as others have said, I just hope we don't peak to early. The Cats are a classic example from last season.   

Not sure if the word is pressure but there's probably a want within the Club to achieve some success (meaning finals) before Richo and the other oldies retire. Once they are gone we'll probably dip down the ladder for a couple of years again until Lids and his generation reach there mid 20s and we'll be able to focus purely on long-term success with our core then at the right age (unlike now) and plenty of quality youth still coming through.

[tiga]

Try $325,000 plus a year.
Now how many people here earn that sort of money.?? Dont all post at once, the server could got into melt down

Over 3 years I do.  Less tax of course.

[the_boy_jake]

They get paid that kind of money for this exact scenario. Potentially finished at just 25 with injuries that'll effect them for the rest of their life.

Not really. The players union might have some miniscule role in controlling salaries, but they get paid that money because its a competitive market and there are lots of consumers (us) who are willing to pay thru our arzes. I can't imagine Andrew Demetriou sitting back saying 'lets pay our employees so that they have an better life after footy if they get injured' any more than he might say 'lets pay them more because trade qualifications are becoming more attractive to kids'.

The bloke is set for life, is a celeb, has travelled the world, prob r00ted more hot women than i've had hot dinners and at last check had a pretty nice girlfriend, all on a six-figure salary and living out his boyhood dreams. Think I'll save whatever sympathy I have for a more worthy recipient.