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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2007, 01:12:11 AM »
First of all a big thanks to Steph for posting the scores and updates during the game  :cheers.

GB is correct to say it's foolhardy to write our season off based on 3 practice games and with so much experimentation by both coaches but it's still frustrating to watch us lose a game rather the opposition win it.

A scrappy game is being kind. The skills especially by us were shocking even for a presason game. The Dees weren't great but as Bully said we were far far worse. Plough's "we might as well spent summer at the pub" line comes to mind.

Many of our guys just don't have an instinctive understanding of the way modern footy is played and when they do make the right decision they then miss the target by not being able to kick to a leading teammate's advantage side. You get away with this in non-physical training drills but not in games. I would like to know our kick to handball ratio from today. It felt like it was 5 handballs to every kick.  Even some of the younger Richmond boys sitting around us who played in the curtain raiser were frustrated by what we were doing out there.  Plenty of fine-tuning still needed especially entering our forward line :P.

Most of our blokes are reactive to nearly every situation and can't think 2-3 steps ahead in their mind to gain us the footy in clear space on the rebound. The obvious one is when we switch the play and no one has quickly ran to the fat side wing to out-flank the opposition and get the ball into an open forward line. Then there's the stuff you tell a U12 not to do like knock the footy back into the corridor in the backline because it gifts goals to the opposition (hello Gas and Tivs ::) )

Us missing a number of players and the Dees being at virtually full-strength wasn't the reason we lost today. We had more than enough of the footy and opportunities to win today. Melbourne won because all they had to do was crowd us enough into overpossessing and then nail us on the turnover. 80% of their goals were directly from our turnovers.

Player summary

Newy - a solid to average game where he tried to get some run going.

Gas - Tried hard but another ordinary game from him in this preseason.

Lids - played BP on Brad Miller and had a mixed game. I know preseason is for experimentation but Lids needs to learn his craft in the guts not in a BP.

Rainesy - see Newy

Polak - played forward and once again showed why Greg Miller chased after him. Our forwards did well today in the circumstances. It was the delivery to them that was dumb.

Browny - a day to forget.

Joel - Did okay on Neitz. The question that needs to be asked is we've been told all summer we got Polak to free Joel up from having to mind a key forward and then Joel ends up lining on Neitz at FB ???

Knobel - Apart from centre bounces is not up to it and a liability. He had a chance to take a uncontested mark 25m out from goal but the kick was just a fraction to his side at head height and he just showed no agility to adjust.

Polo - Can't say I noticed him.

Pettifer - Excellent. Worked his backside off, lead well and to the right spots and kicked 3 goals.

Sugar - a fairly good game from Sugar and improved as the game went along. At least he could hit a target most of the time unlike his teammates.

Tuck - Got plenty of the ball but as the article on the AFL says was obsessed with handballing so we as a team didn't gain from it.

Meyer - We were sitting in the Heatley stand at the opposite end of the ground so we didn't know for sure who kicked those 2 goals that he kicked. Didn't do much else and even a teammate in the grandstand gave a "c'mon Danny" gasp when he expected him to go harder at the ball at one stage in a forward pocket. 

Jacko - Didn't notice him but he apparently played the first half of the ressies game.

Schulz - Like Polak very good in the circumstances. Kicked 3.3. What was most pleasing today was his defensive workrate in the forward which a few of his teammate could learn from and his ability to crash some packs. I remember one play where he was outnumbered in a marking contest yet he was able to get the ball to the ground and then dived to beat to Melbourne defenders to the ball.

Krak - A fairly typical Krak game. I had him kick 3 behinds which could have turned a ordinary game into a influential one if he had kicked straight.

Hyde - see Newy and Rainesy.

Tivs - typical Tivs game. The good mixed with the ugly.

Hartigan - Didn't do much today apart from a late goal.

Hughes - Didn't get much gametime today.

McGuane - Not convinced yet.

Moore - See GB's post ... Injured early

Foley - Did okay in the centre but I wouldn't have him in our bests as the AFL site does. Agree with GB's summation.

Howat - Improved as the game went along and worked tirelessly getting the pill. In our bests but still made a couple of dumb mistakes. If only he had a right foot too.

Graham - At times Jeff White clearly outjudged the flight of the ball at centre bounces and Gus would  mistime his jump and swipe at empty air.

King - okay and not our worst out there. Worked hard defensively. One of our better players in a poor first half by the team as a whole.
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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2007, 06:27:34 AM »

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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2007, 09:28:07 AM »
It was disappointing!

turnover after turnover. I reckon Polak understood 5 minutes into the 1st qtr what Richo has had to put up with most of his career. Bootlace passes or straight over the head :-\ >:(. Having said I thought Polak was very good. His running was a standout. Whe he didn't have it because of the above mentioned turnovers he busted his guts to chase the Melbourne blokes down.

I think we've gone "happy handball" crazy  :banghead but as I posted on another thread we have very little choice when you look up the field and there's not a soul there  >:(.

Was also annoyed with how wide we wen, rather than trying to go directly down the middle. For me that was one thing that stood out - at least melb tried to get the ball back through the corridor.

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Lids - played BP on Brad Miller and had a mixed game. I know preseason is for experimentation but Lids needs to learn his craft in the guts not in a BP.


I can understand the logic here because he really needs to work harder when he doens't have the ball and on the defensive side of his game but I do agree he could have done that in the mid-field yesterday

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Rainesy - see Newy

Thought he was a bit flat yesterday

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Pettifer - Excellent. Worked his backside off, lead well and to the right spots and kicked 3 goals.


Our best by a long way - his endurance is exceptional :thumbsup

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Sugar - a fairly good game from Sugar and improved as the game went along. At least he could hit a target most of the time unlike his teammates.

Good leadership today - baked a few blokes about not manning up - but add in a few other choice descriptive words and you'll get the drift  ;) ;D

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Meyer - We were sitting in the Heatley stand at the opposite end of the ground so we didn't know for sure who kicked those 2 goals that he kicked. Didn't do much else and even a teammate in the grandstand gave a "c'mon Danny" gasp when he expected him to go harder at the ball at one stage in a forward pocket. 

I saw the entire Coburg/Richmond 2nd team game and i just think he needs to show some more intensity. He seems very laconic at times. Got all the skill in the world but attack son attack

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Jacko -Didn't notice him but he apparently played the first half of the ressies game.

Yes he did and was not great - had a set shot from about 45m out and didn't make the distance (actually he is not alone - we seem to have very little depth in our kicking :banghead)

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Schulz - Like Polak very good in the circumstances. Kicked 3.3. What was most pleasing today was his defensive workrate in the forward which a few of his teammate could learn from and his ability to crash some packs. I remember one play where he was outnumbered in a marking contest yet he was able to get the ball to the ground and then dived to beat to Melbourne defenders to the ball.

Exactly  :thumbsup :clapping :thumbsup

« Last Edit: March 11, 2007, 10:02:03 PM by WilliamPowell »
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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2007, 11:21:58 AM »

Danny Meyer ... i heard kick 2 goals ... but seems like he doesn't want to play for us ...

i like meyer but does terry like him ???

someone said he had 5 minute cameo and kicked 2 goals ?

i ask the question ... does terry believe in meyer ?

Daniel Jackson ... another one i like ... but not in the forward line ... he is a defender ...

BUT ...

isn't that always the case with richmond ... kicking, having 5 goals to nil start in the first quarter, not knowing how to pass the football to our forwards !

it seems like we just want to kick the football to our forwards and sit back and watch !

goals doesn't have to come from our forwards !


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« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2007, 11:29:05 AM »
Danny Meyer will be a player, the kid is a half back at the moment who should be given 5 to 6 minute spells on a half forward flank every quarter. If he plays half back and gets it 15 times and he can snag 1 to 2 goals playing 20 minutes a game on a hff then he'll be worth the effort.

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« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2007, 04:17:54 PM »
terry is keeping his cards close to his chest , thats why he is not stressing

come rnd one, all these bs handballs will be elimintaed and we will play a toptal different style of game
wait n c!!  :thumbsup

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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2007, 04:57:54 PM »

i hope so ...

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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2007, 05:01:38 PM »
Danny Meyer will be a player, the kid is a half back at the moment who should be given 5 to 6 minute spells on a half forward flank every quarter. If he plays half back and gets it 15 times and he can snag 1 to 2 goals playing 20 minutes a game on a hff then he'll be worth the effort.
I reckon Danny's all right as well and worth persisting more in the seniors.  Dunno why he hasn't had much of a chance so far.

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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2007, 06:00:53 PM »
Danny Meyer will be a player, the kid is a half back at the moment who should be given 5 to 6 minute spells on a half forward flank every quarter. If he plays half back and gets it 15 times and he can snag 1 to 2 goals playing 20 minutes a game on a hff then he'll be worth the effort.

Exactly.

One of the reasons why I couldn't careless about the scoreboard yesterday. Too many Tigers played in positions they shouldn't be most of the time. The only concern was the skill level and decision making.

Btw did Paddy Bowden kick 7 goals in the Ressies yesterday? I only saw the second half.
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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2007, 08:43:49 PM »
A half back flank who kicks you 20 to 25 goals a year is worth his weight in gold. Meyer can play. As I said hes a half back at the moment and an impact type half forward.

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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2007, 09:35:07 PM »
Just catching up on earlier posts in this thread ....

I hope MT put enough credit on his phone to get the main match  :shh

Cheeky bugger  :lol

Rhett

One of my mates works at Coburg and he told me they had a Richmond reserves team made up of 15 senior list players and another 7 Coburg players against Coburg's best team.

According to Soy Sauce many of those playing in the Coburg side yesterday will be Coburg reserves players this year.

Patrick Bowden kicked 7 goals apparently, which is a great return.

He must have kicked 4 in the first half plus 3 after half time. Thanks Bully. Good stuff  :clapping.
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Re: RICHMOND V MELBOURNE: post any reports here
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2007, 10:07:22 PM »

Rhett

One of my mates works at Coburg and he told me they had a Richmond reserves team made up of 15 senior list players and another 7 Coburg players against Coburg's best team.

According to Soy Sauce many of those playing in the Coburg side yesterday will be Coburg reserves players this year.


Yeah if you have a look at the Coburg boys that played for the Richmond side (they were the whites btw) there was their Joint B&F Al Neville (how he is not on an AFL list is staggering to me), B&F Runner up Paul Shelton, some kid who was wearing number 37  - who's bloody impressive but who's name completely escapes me  ;D. These 3 for starters would be in the Coburg firsts. Bloody good effort from the Burger kids - actually enjoyed the game immensely. Got to see how run and carry is supposed work :rollin
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« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2007, 10:09:43 PM »

Daniel Jackson ... another one i like ... but not in the forward line ... he is a defender ...


Actually I don't think he is either - I don't really know what his position is to be honest and perhaps that's the problem :help :-\

And PS: sorry for a bad typo earlier in this thread when I typed Jackson was great (I've now changed it) because it should read Jackson was NOT great
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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2007, 01:54:59 PM »

I can't locate the estimated crowd for the Richmond vs Melbourne Challenge Cup match
Our match is the only match in the Herald Sun without an estimated crowd.

Anyone seen any attendance from last week ?

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« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2007, 02:10:52 PM »

I can't locate the estimated crowd for the Richmond vs Melbourne Challenge Cup match
Our match is the only match in the Herald Sun without an estimated crowd.

Anyone seen any attendance from last week ?

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Rhett, I think one of the match reports said 1,000 - 1,200.
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