Kevin Sheedy threads [merged]

[Beren]

Oh righteous Caro, how about you put your pen down next time there is a slow news week and the only dirt you've got concerns Richmond.

What a load of rubbish!
Caro calls it as she sees it with every club/player/admin.
How is this 'dirt' anyway?

[the_boy_jake]

What a load of rubbish!
Caro calls it as she sees it with every club/player/admin.
How is this 'dirt' anyway?

You and I both know that Caro's 'contacts' at Richmond are better than anywhere else.
You and I both know that a crisis sells more papers than a good news story.
Caro's been living off the back of our troubles for years and years. Our board don't do any favours, but she does worse for us than an evenhanded journo would and certainly doesn't help the club she loves.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Caro has an agenda from the past hiding her fathers insecurities and infighting with Barry Richardson in 84 and 85 which crippled the club then and on field has barely had a strong beating pulse.

Sheedy rather than blow his own horn should step down from the race. The game has passed him and he will not lead Richmond to the promised land. If anything he used us as a bargaining tool to get what he wanted at Essendon and now he has no more re invention left to mould a side that will be successful. Step down Sheeds and keep your grace and dignity.

Back to Caro, yes she has her own agenda and has regularly written up derogatory articles of previous admins other than her fathers whose tenure ultimately was saved by two premierships in 74 and 80. Nevertheless she has strong links with these coterie groups at the club who have many passed players who have influenced the club before but for once I am pleased she put the club first and basically told them all to go forth and multiply and allow the process to take its natural course.

As for KB ever since he has been sacked in 91 he has felt he is bigger than the club.
Won't attend functions won't do this won't do that but he has opinion on us. For someone who has held the club for ransom Kevin you have alot of say. Your post in the media is a perfect forum hey? To say what. KB has lost all respect from me not only with his alliance with that one trick pony one side of viewpoint of an argument in Patrick Smith. KB is just a bitter and twisted man who is becoming more and more selfish as time goes on. Of course his friendship with Sheeds has nothing to do with it. KB put up or shut up. Of course all this is so Richmond like as he was sacked 18 years ago but KB time to move on and accept your time is up when it comes to the Tiges. I just hope someone beats his 403 games and we don't have to have him as our games record holder.

All we need now is our last premiership coach to come out again and say something derogatory to ensure he remains our last premiership coach.

Caro well done. For once
Sheeds your like Aussie Joe Bugner you had your chance many many moons ago a comeback now would be a joke and more ridiculous than beneficial.
KB is a disgrace.

Let the panel do their job. They'll select the right person. If it does not work it won't be the panel it will be the club and that will be the most unforgivable sin of all. Back of ego heads time to realise that you need your ego bags deflated and that the you rotate around the RFC not the RFC around you and your fractured and self centered interests.

[Con65]

why dosnt caro just stfu

she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep

sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it

melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!

why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago

Why is Sheedy the best man for the job?  What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?

Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?

This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?

[Coach]

why dosnt caro just stfu

she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep

sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it

melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!

why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago

Why is Sheedy the best man for the job?  What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?

Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?

This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?

Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?

[WA Tiger]

why dosnt caro just stfu

she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep

sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it

melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!

why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago

Why is Sheedy the best man for the job?  What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?

Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?

This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?

Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?

A 10-20 year future coach can compete with that..

[Coach]

Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.

Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.

 

[WilliamPowell]

Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?

With Sheeds, it isn't just about past glories. What about his record at the Bombers in his final couple of seasons? I don't think you can ignore what his former players are saying about how he "coached" 

What this club needs is the best possibly person for the RFC. Let's go through the "process" and see what happens but all candidates must go through the process, whoever they are

[mightytiges]

Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.

Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.

 

There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.

ps. Welcome to OER by the way

[the_boy_jake]

There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.

ps. Welcome to OER by the way

All I'll say MT is there is no point ruling out Sheedy on the basis of his experience. Take his experience, put it in the 'positives' column next to the name Sheedy and see how it compares to the other candidates with their enthusiasm and new ideas.

These things are cyclical anyway. If you look at Rugby League, you had Tim Sheens and Wayne Bennett winning it in '05 and '06 and then the next two years relatively junior coaches in Bellamy and Hasler. Now at the top of the table you have Bennett and Hughes who is a newcomer to coaching.

In the NFL young coaches have been all the rage, but until the Steelers won it last year the super bowl winning coaches from previous years had been > 50.

The Lakers have won 4 titles since bringing in the experienced Phil Jackson. Mike Krzyzewski in basketball too.

Look at what rot set in as soon as Newcastle United got rid of Bobby Robson.

All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.

If we honour the process we will be right.

[mightytiges]

All I'll say MT is there is no point ruling out Sheedy on the basis of his experience. Take his experience, put it in the 'positives' column next to the name Sheedy and see how it compares to the other candidates with their enthusiasm and new ideas.

These things are cyclical anyway. If you look at Rugby League, you had Tim Sheens and Wayne Bennett winning it in '05 and '06 and then the next two years relatively junior coaches in Bellamy and Hasler. Now at the top of the table you have Bennett and Hughes who is a newcomer to coaching.

In the NFL young coaches have been all the rage, but until the Steelers won it last year the super bowl winning coaches from previous years had been > 50.

The Lakers have won 4 titles since bringing in the experienced Phil Jackson. Mike Krzyzewski in basketball too.

Look at what rot set in as soon as Newcastle United got rid of Bobby Robson.

I'm not one to compare AFL coaches to other sports as the AFL set-up is completely different to other sports. The NRL doesn't have a Draft system so clubs can chase players from anywhere provided they stick within their salary. American sports have free agency and draft pick futures. No way could've Boston last year gained Garnett and co. to win the NBA title under the current AFL draft system. As for Soccer it's completely the antithesis of the AFL system. A free for all where money attracts the superstars to a select few clubs in Europe (hello Real Madrid). Mind you European Champs Barcelona have a 32 year old manager compared to the traditional older managers of other big clubs. Newcastle Utd has a large hometown Geordie supporter base but it isn't a Big 4 club. Plus it has had incompentent admins on par with Richmond's. That's why they were relegated.

All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.

Mean reversion. Interest rates for instance have a long term average (7%?) so the more they are above/below this average the greater the chance they'll fall/rise. I'd take a guess Sheeds won't be giving a presentation on G.A.R.C.H. modelling  .

If we honour the process we will be right.

100% agree there Jake.

[Coach]

Even though this post wasn't directed at me, I'll reply. Malthouse hasn't applied for the job to our knowledge, Sheedy has. Matthews isn't interested, Sheedy is. Sheedy has made the finals a lazy 20 odd times, has a premiership in every decade he has coached in and averages 14 wins a season. Who can compete with that?

With Sheeds, it isn't just about past glories. What about his record at the Bombers in his final couple of seasons? I don't think you can ignore what his former players are saying about how he "coached" 

What this club needs is the best possibly person for the RFC. Let's go through the "process" and see what happens but all candidates must go through the process, whoever they are

Fair enough, WP.

[Coach]

Haha. We need experience right now - Sheeds offers that. You can hope that a young untried coach will achieve future success, but it's far from a guarantee (I doubt our next coach will have 27 years here ). A future coach can't "compete" with Sheedy's success because for all we know, our next coach could be rubbish.

Kevin Sheedy is a proven coach. We need someone who's proven to be good, whether that is Sheedy, Williams or whoever. I personally don't think we can afford to give a bloke a chance if he's never had a seniors gig.

 

There's no guarantee with any coach even a legendary one. Yabby Jeans didn't do any better than KB at Richmond whereas Pagan didn't turn things around at Carlton. Plus history shows no 60+ year old coach has won a flag since our last one. Roos, Thompson, Clarkson, Worsfold are all younger coaches and all premiership coaches within the past 5 years. It didn't do their respective clubs any harm. The Club needs to determine via this process they've set up who is the best coach for us for the future; not the best coach of the past. We might as well get Hafey to coach again if past success is the main criteria.

ps. Welcome to OER by the way

Good points, MT. I still reckon there is a bit of life in Sheedy's coaching career. Still, Caro is peeing me off with her anti Sheedy campaign. If Sheedy can manage to come out on top of this process, he will have earned it.

Cheers for the welcome.

[gtig]

All I am saying is that there is no point disregarding experience. In fact, if experience is drastically undervalued, you might be better off going with experience. I'm sure there would be a term for this in game theory or financial markets.

Mean reversion. Interest rates for instance have a long term average (7%?) so the more they are above/below this average the greater the chance they'll fall/rise. I'd take a guess Sheeds won't be giving a presentation on G.A.R.C.H. modelling  .

MT you are a crack-up. Sounds more like regret-aversion to me, but I'm sure it would make a refreshing change to see Sheeds roll out an excel presentation rather than a powerpoint job.
From what I read Sheeds is more a Napoleonic wars man.
Talk about past glories.

That's why they were relegated.

Terrifying to imagine what might have happened to rfc if we had relegation here.

Anyway, back to the (Martingale) process...

[TigerTime]

why dosnt caro just stfu

she is richmonds spokesperson or the fans rep

sheedy is going through the process and so he should because he is teh best man 4 the job and this process will prove it

melbourne simpley didnt want sheedy bec they couldnt afford him , snow troips were more important!

why dosnt caro write about her father and he was very much involved in effing up the club all those yrs ago

Why is Sheedy the best man for the job?  What would make Sheedy a better candidate than say Mathews or Malthouse?

Why isn't a new coach the best man, how do you know who is the best man for the job?

This is the second post i have read from you today bagging Caro...why don't you like her?

why do u like her like her?
i have seen better heads on dicks than on her shoulders, she thinks she knows it all but knows eff all, she tries to speak on behalf of others and bags who she wants but never ever criticises her dad for being the king of king eff ups

she  just hates being made a fool and because she has said sheedy wont coach she will do whatever she can to make sure he dosnt so she can say....i told u so........
sheedy is the man for the job, no ifs buts or maybes