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Can we please be relegated?
« on: May 27, 2007, 06:13:18 AM »
I never thought I'd see the day, but I no longer like AFL football. I remember as a young kid reading the Herald (before it amalgamated with the Sun) on a Friday afternoon, checking through the stats and comparing our players with the opposotion players. I was no coaching genius, but I always looked to see if there was anywhere in our team that we were better than the opposition. It was also a bonus on the odd week to find the back page characiture devoted to a Tiger. For a couple of years, the Dale Weightman cartoon picture took pride of place on my wall...our true hero in the darkest years, the one that never left us...the Flea...but I digress.

My footballing life has, as it has panned out, been a tough one to endure. Born of Victorian parents, I spent the first 5 1/2 years of my life living in Sydney as my father forged a career with the Bank of Wales. My memories of this period are scant, but one thing I know for certain is I never followed football whilst living in Sydney - my parents are casual fans at best. Upon moving back to Melbourne in 1981, and still basically a child with no football bred into me, my parents enrolled both myself and my brother into Sunday morning footy clinic. I guess it filled two criteria: to start to play sport, and to forge friendships with what would become school friends for the next several years. We were brought some shorts, some boots, and a jumper each. I was given a Richmond jumper, my brother a Carlton one. Now as it turns out, these teams were the power teams of that time...I'm sure their merchandise was plentiful. My brother soon decided his allegiance was not to be with the Blues, but with the team my father loosely followed, and the one my uncle and cousins followed with a passion...Essendon. For me, Richmond, although not followed by any other close family member, would remain the team close to my heart. And so our paths went in varying directions. For the record though, my skills as a a player were never flash, although I resembled the characteristics of two distint players - I had the kicking style of Tony Shaw, and the shorts size of Tony Lockett.

Nearly twenty-six years have passed since then, and its sad to say I can still vividly remember all the good times...why? Because they have been so few and far between. At the same time, I take pride in knowing I have been there to enjoy each and everyone of the good times...the '95 Semi Final (Scotty Turners bump on Gary O'Donnell, Matty Knights' goals, Matty Rogers marking on the point of the square), 2001 against the Blues (Razors bump), the 1st quarter demolition of North in '95, Richo's triumphant return from the knee reco in round 1 of '96 against Essendon, the Mothers day Massacre in '91 where Hoggy bagged 10, and singing in the rain when losing to Geeling in '95 to name a few.

But these days of enjoyment have now dissapeared. Not because of Richmond either, I love the club with all my heart. But in years gone by, I could watch any game, any time and get enjoyment out of it. I would regularly win footy tipping, or be in the top 3 at the least. I would follow a second team, even a third (who didn't have a soft spot for the Roy Boys, or the Swans and Bears when they were hopeless?). I would watch the footy show, Talking Footy, the early incarnations of Optus Televisions footy shows with Ian Cover and Ron Barassi, Andy Maher and the infamous "Deep Throat". I made my parents change Pay TV providers when the AFL Channel moved to Fox. I was a football junkie. And it goes without saying that I used my 22 game concession membership, and in time, adult membership each and every week. I would go to VFL games with my brother to watch my cousin play. I would walk the dog and kick the footy down the park. I just loved out national game.

These days, I'm lucky to find the drive to go to the game. I run my own business, and still manipulate my roster to allow myself days off for the footy, but quite often leave it til the last minute to go, or sometimes even choose to watch it on Fox rather than go. I don't watch any non-Richmond games. I don't watch the Footy Show. I have never seen Footy Classified and never catch the various shows on Fox Sports either. I still read one or two internet footy boards and listen to SEN on the dirve to and from work, but thats it. I no longer have an affection with them game. Why? Because it is no longer the same game.

Every year, we tinker with the game. We feel the need to change something, target something, trial something, abolish something. Every year we trudge out to the first couple of praccy matches to watch the teams try and acclimatise to new rules, or new interpretations of rules. Each year we see the players struggle to come to grips with the changes. Each week, we see the umpires struggle to come to grips with the changes...hell, each quarter...even each "zone" of the ground we see this struggle for uniformity. And as a fan, a player, and even an umpire, we are confused. Yet we can't comment on the changes to the rules or the interpretations of the rules...we can't question the logic...we can't suggest an improvement...we are nobodies...we just put the dollars in the bank. We are merely the mushrooms of the AFL.

The clubs can't comment. They are laible to fines for hurting the feelings of the umpires. The captains can't question decisions or seek clarification unless they want to donate a fair portion of their income to the AFL's charity of their choice...themselves. The game is a joke. The rules committee take no responsibilty for the confusion...they blame it on umpire interpretations. The umpires take no responsibilty...they say any contentious decisions were correct "to the letter of the law", as they quietly demote an umpire for some match time in the lower ranks...and then wonder why we are confused.

Last nights game was no the sole reason for my frustration. It just brought it boiling to the top. Last nights result was not purely based on the Richo free kick decision. But last nights game did show us some pretty obvious and glaing deficiencies in our rulings and processes. Umpire will umpire "to the letter of the law" only on occasion, but whether they do or they don't, the public line from the AFL is that they were right. I sit in the Olympic Stand about 60m out from the Punt Road goals, and about 5 rows from the boundary. I see decisons close up at ground level. I saw the 50m penalties paid against Richmond for holding onto players, despite them clearly either moving off their line, or continuing to run and play on. What message does it send to the team if the Richmond player allows an opposition player to play on and run straight past them? I also saw Essendon players hold up Richmond players after they had already marked on a few occasions too. But I'm not Robinson Crusoe there...

In a stadium with more than 61,000 fans, scores level and five minutes of game time left, a player marked a ball and played on, as he would have any other week of any other year for the last 15 years he had played the game. He kicked a goal. But amid the frenetic atmosphere, a whistle blew. It was not heard by many. In fact, it almost appeared as though it had occured only in my imagination when the crowd errupted. Richo had goaled...we were back in front. But we weren't. In fact we were penalised the maximum penalty allowed within the rules because a player had "marked a ball and played on, as he would have any other week of any other year for the last 15 years he had played the game". Any momentum we had was gone, as was the game.

The AFL has me over a barrell. I love my club, the mighty Richmond Football Club. I will never surrender my love for them. I will pay my way for them as long as I can. I will support them, scream and cheer at the top of my voice, stand up for them in arguements, and support the players. I will go to as many games as I can. And as such, I will support the AFL.

But I don't want to support the AFL any more. It is not what it was, and will never be again. So can we please be relegated, I don't want to be there any more.  :banghead
 




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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 06:49:42 AM »

Shift happens, live with it.

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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 12:36:48 PM »
But these days of enjoyment have now dissapeared. Not because of Richmond either, I love the club with all my heart. But in years gone by, I could watch any game, any time and get enjoyment out of it.


I know what you mean Fwoy - I used to watch other games over the course of the weekend not now. I rarely watch Friday night footy. Saturday nights if I am home I am more likely to watch the NRL on Fox than the AFL because the game is not what it used to be. Hawks -v- Saints anyone  ::)

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Every year, we tinker with the game. We feel the need to change something, target something, trial something, abolish something. Every year we trudge out to the first couple of praccy matches to watch the teams try and acclimatise to new rules, or new interpretations of rules. Each year we see the players struggle to come to grips with the changes. Each week, we see the umpires struggle to come to grips with the changes...hell, each quarter...even each "zone" of the ground we see this struggle for uniformity. And as a fan, a player, and even an umpire, we are confused. Yet we can't comment on the changes to the rules or the interpretations of the rules...we can't question the logic...we can't suggest an improvement...we are nobodies...we just put the dollars in the bank. We are merely the mushrooms of the AFL.

The clubs can't comment. They are laible to fines for hurting the feelings of the umpires. The captains can't question decisions or seek clarification unless they want to donate a fair portion of their income to the AFL's charity of their choice...themselves. The game is a joke. The rules committee take no responsibilty for the confusion...they blame it on umpire interpretations. The umpires take no responsibilty...they say any contentious decisions were correct "to the letter of the law", as they quietly demote an umpire for some match time in the lower ranks...and then wonder why we are confused.


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Last nights game was no the sole reason for my frustration. It just brought it boiling to the top. Last nights result was not purely based on the Richo free kick decision. But last nights game did show us some pretty obvious and glaing deficiencies in our rulings and processes. Umpire will umpire "to the letter of the law" only on occasion, but whether they do or they don't, the public line from the AFL is that they were right. I sit in the Olympic Stand about 60m out from the Punt Road goals, and about 5 rows from the boundary. I see decisons close up at ground level. I saw the 50m penalties paid against Richmond for holding onto players, despite them clearly either moving off their line, or continuing to run and play on. What message does it send to the team if the Richmond player allows an opposition player to play on and run straight past them? I also saw Essendon players hold up Richmond players after they had already marked on a few occasions too. But I'm not Robinson Crusoe there...

In a stadium with more than 61,000 fans, scores level and five minutes of game time left, a player marked a ball and played on, as he would have any other week of any other year for the last 15 years he had played the game. He kicked a goal. But amid the frenetic atmosphere, a whistle blew. It was not heard by many. In fact, it almost appeared as though it had occured only in my imagination when the crowd errupted. Richo had goaled...we were back in front. But we weren't. In fact we were penalised the maximum penalty allowed within the rules because a player had "marked a ball and played on, as he would have any other week of any other year for the last 15 years he had played the game". Any momentum we had was gone, as was the game.


Well said Fwoy :clapping :thumbsup

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The AFL has me over a barrell. I love my club, the mighty Richmond Football Club. I will never surrender my love for them. I will pay my way for them as long as I can. I will support them, scream and cheer at the top of my voice, stand up for them in arguements, and support the players. I will go to as many games as I can. And as such, I will support the AFL.

Like you I will continue to be there, week after week, but gee they are making it tough for people.

The one thing that last night has made think is this:

When this Rules committmee decides on making changes, any change should be based on what is best for the game. With the centre circle rule for ruckman for example they got it right becuase it was due to the injuries being suffered in the best interest of the game.

However from where i am sitting this hands in the back rule and how it is to be interpretated is clearly not in the best interest of the game especially if it is turning people off the game
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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 12:57:17 PM »
I made a post when I got home last night in the "Who enjoyed what they saw in the 3rd" topic which would be more relevant here than where it is.
Similar concerns from a personal point of view about the Aussie Rules game with regard to maintaining my interest. Not prompted by the Richo decision either, I had no idea there was a furore about it until I got in the car and listened to the radio.

ps I don't want us to be relegated.
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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 02:32:42 PM »
It has certainly been a hard season Fwoy, seems its only going to get harder though!!

What is it about footy that keeps bringing us back?

My supporting life has been identical to Fwoy, lets just hope that we can get back on the right track.

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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 05:44:12 PM »
There's also overkill, like it is for me at the moment.
I only watch Richmond games - used to watch every game a couple of years ago.  Not only that, I wouldn't even have a clue who has won this weekend.
Overkill also from the boards we post on - they've become so repetitious and boring (no offence to anyone) but it's true.  Maybe I've just been around a long time.
The fact that some of us hate our players so much that they want them to "die" and some agreeing, well, if that's reflected throughout the whole footy community, why would you bother with it.
The umps are ruining the game - or the rules committee.  KB thinks it's "his" game and hasn't got a clue or cares less about the average fan (no offence intended, Rhett, just call how I see it).
He will see Richo's decision as being correct and to the letter of the law, but as far as the spirit of the game, he only sees it from a playing perspective and not as a supporter, who's just getting more and more frustrated each game.
I would say these things even if we were winning, because each year my support for it has been dwindling.
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Re: Can we please be relegated?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2007, 07:10:51 PM »
I think the actual style of footy has been better this year. More games have been fast and attacking. Apart from the Geelong where we got annihlated I haven't been bored. My gripe is the way incidental contact is now being penalised. It is spoiling contests. If you're not deliberately infringing on your opponent then it should be always play on. Our game is meant to be free-form. A 360 degree game without offside rules, without rules that prevent you from passing forward, etc. Not technical crap like these new interpretations.
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