Kreuzer or Cotchin?

[bluey_21]

Is their any talent at all in WA or SA this year?

All the prospective top picks seem to be Victorian.

There is a bit of talent there, Masten, Gourdis, Meyers.

Also have Mulligan from bananaland and Motlop from NT.

Would prefer to draft Vic boys where possible;

[mightytiges]

Is their any talent at all in WA or SA this year?

All the prospective top picks seem to be Victorian.

There is a bit of talent there, Masten, Gourdis, Meyers.

Also have Mulligan from bananaland and Motlop from NT.

Would prefer to draft Vic boys where possible;

Not top 5 pics but still a few very good types is the news out of SA.

Brad Ebert from Port Magpies. Has played a couple of SANFL senior games already. Ready to go natural footballer - good skills/hands/decision making. Cousin of Brett and obviously nephew of Russ.

Hamish Hartlett (Westies), Tom Holmes (Glenelg) and Tom McNamara (South) are also highly rated.

[bluey_21]

Is their any talent at all in WA or SA this year?

All the prospective top picks seem to be Victorian.

There is a bit of talent there, Masten, Gourdis, Meyers.

Also have Mulligan from bananaland and Motlop from NT.

Would prefer to draft Vic boys where possible;

Not top 5 pics but still a few very good types is the news out of SA.

Brad Ebert from Port Magpies. Has played a couple of SANFL senior games already. Ready to go natural footballer - good skills/hands/decision making. Cousin of Brett and obviously nephew of Russ.

Hamish Hartlett (Westies), Tom Holmes (Glenelg) and Tom McNamara (South) are also highly rated.

Ebert is a good talent, not in our range though.

Holmes would have been drafted last year if not for a knee reco

Hartlett apparently is a FREAK, but in next years draft

[mightytiges]

Is their any talent at all in WA or SA this year?

All the prospective top picks seem to be Victorian.

There is a bit of talent there, Masten, Gourdis, Meyers.

Also have Mulligan from bananaland and Motlop from NT.

Would prefer to draft Vic boys where possible;

Not top 5 pics but still a few very good types is the news out of SA.

Brad Ebert from Port Magpies. Has played a couple of SANFL senior games already. Ready to go natural footballer - good skills/hands/decision making. Cousin of Brett and obviously nephew of Russ.

Hamish Hartlett (Westies), Tom Holmes (Glenelg) and Tom McNamara (South) are also highly rated.

Ebert is a good talent, not in our range though.

Holmes would have been drafted last year if not for a knee reco

Hartlett apparently is a FREAK, but in next years draft

You're right bluey about Hartlett. D.O.B. 14/8/90. Made the U15 Australian cricket team as well.

We could always try to trade into Ebert's range. (2/4/90, 187cm, 86kg)

Tom Holmes at 174cm, 73kg isn't what we need.

Tom McNamara numbers are (29/4/90, 189cm, 84kg).

Btw in Cotchin's AIS profile he wants to be like Judd and Lids.

[bluey_21]

Nah, Ebert looks like a late top 10 pick, no one with a top ten pick will trade it

[bluey_21]

anticipating Carlton win another game and Melbourne don't get a PP. we end up with pick 1, 17 and 18 in the top 20.

I'd say get
1. Cotchin - top flight inside midfielder who IMO will slot straight into the team. Provides more grunt to the midfield
17. McEvoy - Extremely talented ruckman. Great mobility, versatility and skills. Will be a gun and hope he sneaks through to out PP
18. Best available. Grimes, Motlop and Henderson are all options that could fall and would snap up any one of them. Grimes more midfield grunt, Motlop is a magician, Henderson is a big, athletic and aggressive KPP

[mightytiges]

Nah, Ebert looks like a late top 10 pick, no one with a top ten pick will trade it

Not necessarily need them to give the pick up totally but aim to swap our PP for it + chucking in a player or part of a 3-way trade chucking in a 40ish pick. If the draftees around that 10-17 range are rated fairly similarly (like we did with picks 8-13 last year) then we might be able to persuade them. It's a hard ask but someone like McEvoy may not last until our second pick.

[Mr Magic]

I've said a few times that drafting a ruckman with our first pick would make me nervous just for the fact that ruckman take a number of years to develop and there's a risk in that. I know Kreuzer is meant to be a gun and he's in the bests every week for the Northern Knights but IMO you can still find future quality ruckmen later in the draft if you do your homework whereas quality ballwinning onballers  seem to be available moreso early on.

Totally agree MT.
Definitely go the quality mid with the first pick
Our midfield needs quality desperately.

Cotchin for me at this point.

[bluey_21]

Nah, Ebert looks like a late top 10 pick, no one with a top ten pick will trade it

Not necessarily need them to give the pick up totally but aim to swap our PP for it + chucking in a player or part of a 3-way trade chucking in a 40ish pick. If the draftees around that 10-17 range are rated fairly similarly (like we did with picks 8-13 last year) then we might be able to persuade them. It's a hard ask but someone like McEvoy may not last until our second pick.

True, but who do we have to lure such a deal. Meyer and Schulz maybe?

[mightytiges]

Nah, Ebert looks like a late top 10 pick, no one with a top ten pick will trade it

Not necessarily need them to give the pick up totally but aim to swap our PP for it + chucking in a player or part of a 3-way trade chucking in a 40ish pick. If the draftees around that 10-17 range are rated fairly similarly (like we did with picks 8-13 last year) then we might be able to persuade them. It's a hard ask but someone like McEvoy may not last until our second pick.

True, but who do we have to lure such a deal. Meyer and Schulz maybe?

Not Meyer as he's a small with no trade value. Schulz maybe as a KPP. Might get a side who thinks the idea of picking up a youngish KPP as well as still a mid at 17 attractive. We may offer a midrange pick instead that we picked up in a trade. Who knows.  St Kilda gave up their first pick for Fergus Watts who has done nothing.

[one-eyed]

Tonight's loser may find white Knight
22 June 2007   Herald-Sun
Jon Anderson


Next big thing: Matt Kreuzer is one youngster on the rise. Picture: Norm Oorloff

TONIGHT'S MCG clash between cellar dwellers Richmond and Melbourne may provide the loser with one of the most accomplished young footballers of the past decade.

Standing 199cm, Matthew Kreuzer is already seen as the jewel in this year's national draft crown even before division one of the national under-18 championships begins at Subiaco Oval tomorrow week.

The 18-year-old from the Northern Knights is capable of playing ruck or key forward, making him the most sought-after young player in the land.

This week Kreuzer, and his family, appointed Elite Sports to manage his affairs.

"I was getting heaps of phone calls so we thought we should make a decision," said Kreuzer, who barracks for Collingwood and lists Dean Cox and Josh Fraser as his idols.

Many experienced recruiting and under-18 managers compare him to a young Fraser, the Magpies' 1999 No. 1 draft pick.

Take Essendon's respected list manager Adrian Dodoro, who knows with seven wins already that his club is going to be out of the race.

"Matthew is a rare talent with an ability to influence games like few others who have come through the system. A really exciting young player," Dodoro.

Or Geelong Falcons regional manager Michael Turner, who in the past 12 years has overseen players such as Jonathan Brown, Matthew Scarlett and Gary Ablett Jr.

"I should qualify my assessment by admitting I've only seen Matthew Kreuzer play once, on a wet day in Colac earlier this year," Turner said.

"In that game he produced one of the most outstanding under-18 performances I've seen. He has the speed of a wingman and agility of a ruck-rover and also showed a lot of grit on a wet day."

Western Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton knows that Kreuzer will be long gone before the Bulldogs have a pick in the draft but he likes what he's seen.

"He finds the ball easier than most ruckmen I've seen and accumulates a lot of possession.," Clayton said.

Kreuzer has agility, can run 20m in 3.06sec and has recorded a beep test of 14.5, but he finds the increasing attention embarrassing..

"All I want to do is play footy. Footy is my life and I love everything about it. I can't wait for the championships to start," he said.

Joining Kreuzer at the titles, which are spread this year between Perth, Adelaide, Geelong and Princes Park, are Northern Knights teammates Trent Cotchin and Jack Grimes.

Both are highly rated onballers, with Cotchin tipped to be not far behind Kreuzer in the November draft.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21947288%255E19771,00.html

[bluey_21]

Going by the hitout and clearance stats and the end score, I am starting to wonder if we must get a top ruckman.

IMO, getting a gun ruckman is desirable but not mandatory

[mightytiges]

We've seen two games this weekend where the team that has dominated the hitouts get its pants pulled down in the clearances. A good ruckman is still very  important as we this year and Grant Thomas and the Saints learnt the hard way but it's the classy ballwinning midfielders who clear the footy more often than not and hit forward targets lace out.

[one-eyed]

Well one of the benefits of ending up with pick 2 in the 2007 draft is we can thankfully leave it to some bluebaggers to worry for the next 10+ years about missing out on Cotchin  .

I know this has been done ad nauseum, but I am so sick of hearing about Cotchin in the media I just wanted to bring it up once more.

I just can't help but wonder which way we should have gone. I appreciate what we have in Kreuzer and we are not going to see his best for a few years yet, but every time ( and I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME) the name Cotchin is mentioned, it is is always in reference to him being close to if not the best youngster in the land. Did we pass up on Chris Judd? Is he going to be the one that got away?

I know only time will tell, but at times I just can't help but feel that we have passed on an out and out match winning superstar for a bloke who has a great attitude and will be a very good solid contributor..........

are the media warping my thoughts?

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23784&sid=24c53c16b7f6b3679a2f47e830631afc

[Stripes]

Thanks OE. I love hearing Carlton fans doubting their decision and discussing the one that got away....a bit like a Hawthorn supporter and...well let's just focus on our man Cotch. Hope he grows out of these achilles problems.

Stripes