Kreuzer or Cotchin?

[bluey_21]

Who would you rather.

I'd take Cotchin as there are plenty of good rucks a bit later in the draft

[mightytiges]

I've said a few times that drafting a ruckman with our first pick would make me nervous just for the fact that ruckman take a number of years to develop and there's a risk in that. I know Kreuzer is meant to be a gun and he's in the bests every week for the Northern Knights but IMO you can still find future quality ruckmen later in the draft if you do your homework whereas quality ballwinning onballers  seem to be available moreso early on. Leaving out a freak like Judd, there's Hodge, Ball (before OP), Wells, Conney, McLean, Murphy. If Cotchin is as good and skillful a ballwinner and user as those at the same age then that's who I'd take. Football games are won in and out of the midfield.

Btw there's a rumour doing the rounds that we may try to offer our PP or pick 18 plus a player to upsize and get another first round pick. Aim to get Cotchin and say McEvoy. There's a early phantom draft on BF which has McEvoy at 17 but most people  seem to think he won't last until then.

[jezza]

I'm all for Kreuzer at the moment for the following reasons:

1. The Weaver Prinipal - if you draft a standout ruck with your first pick who is rated pretty much a sure thing, then for the next 5 or 6 drafts you don't have to spend an early pick on a ruck, you can afford to use late picks or rookie spots to try and find your backups. Kreuzer by all reports looks a sure thing and at worst will still be a serviceable first choice ruckman for us.

2. I've read from a few people that Crotchin is similar to Deledio in that he's more of a utility type, not a genuine on-baller, doesn't play that much of his junior footy on the ball. This may be false, but if not then I wouldn't want to spend pick 1 on him. Utility types like that are great if the rest of your team is good, but they are more icing on the cake than building a side around.

But my opinion is certainly open to change as more information comes in, much will depend on who is going to be available for our 2 picks at the start of the second round and who the standouts are at the start of the draft. If there's quality rucks that are still going to be there at 17 then we can afford to not take one early, as long as there's a good enough midfield prospect on offer with our first pick.

[bluey_21]

My chain of though is similar to MT.

Cotchin and McEvoy would be excellent.

And just with Cotchin I can assure he is an onballer.

Possesses some Deledio elements like the ability to burst from packs, but he is a natural INSIDE ball winner.

[bluey_21]

Trent played in the midfield and displayed a diverse array of skills and an ability to win contested inside possessions. He also utilized his running capabilities to run and carry the football. In the national carnival he averaged 20 possessions of which 10 were contested

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=39864

Good background info on Trent, also some good stats

[bluey_21]

Seeing as there is a write up on Trent, it looks like there is big interest in him

[bluey_21]

BTW when is the cut off DOB for the draft.

Just noticed that Cotchin's is July 7 1990. Isn't that too young?

[one-eyed]

Cotchin's D.O.B. is the 7th April 1990.

Trent Cotchin
Clubs: Northern Knights/PEGS
D.O.B.: 7th April 1990
Hgt: 184cm
Wgt: 81kg

Natural Foot: Right (but very comfortable on his left)

His fitness testing at the AIS:

Player           Hgt     Wgt   Skin SVJ RVJ 5m   10m   20m Agility Beep
T.Cotchin      183.4  79.6  43.7  71  83  1.12  1.76  2.96   8.37   13.5
Luke Ball       182.8  72.4  30.8  71  90  0.98 1.68   2.85   8.66   14.2
Brock McLean 183.4  85.9  53    58  69  1.05  1.80  3.03   8.61   14.3


Note: Cotchin's testing is at age 16 whilst Ball and McLean's were at 17.

RFC confident his acceleration (5m) and endurance (beep) will be equivalent to Ball and McLean's in October when Cotchin attends the draft camp giving him a very high speed/endurance rating.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=39864

TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046

Matt Kreuzer
Clubs: Northern Knights/Bundoora
D.O.B.: 13th May 1989
Hgt: 199cm
Wgt: 91kg

TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Matt%20Kreuzer&action=PSTATS&pID=123051527&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046

http://northernknights.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00052457-src.htm

[torch]

Trent Cotchin ... we need classy midfielders !!!

there ...

was a mention on "Addam Maric" ...

i believe Maric will be the best small forward in the draft ...

i believe we should try and get both ...

if we are going to pick up a Ruckman ... get them later in the draft !!!

[Ramps]

No to Maric

[bluey_21]

No to Maric

Is it because he is small, because he is otherwise a very good talent

[bluey_21]

Cotchin's D.O.B. is the 7th April 1990.

Thanks for that Mr One-eyed 

Was unsure because on the AIS website it has his DOB as July 7  ???

But it didn't look right, thanks for clearing it up

[Ramps]

i have aversions to recruiting forward pockets. he may be excellent in that role, but we need to other types of players. Rucks, Key defenders, Inside Mids. Forward Pockets shouldnt even be on the list.

[bluey_21]

i have aversions to recruiting forward pockets. he may be excellent in that role, but we need to other types of players. Rucks, Key defenders, Inside Mids. Forward Pockets shouldnt even be on the list.

good points, anyways we already have Peterson 

[wayne]

Is their any talent at all in WA or SA this year?

All the prospective top picks seem to be Victorian.