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Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« on: July 17, 2007, 03:21:10 AM »
Tigers caught short in the draft
Robert Walls | July 17, 2007 | The Age

RICHMOND fans left the MCG on Sunday shaking their heads. Not because their team has only one win for the season, nor because the Hawks had smashed them by 53 points. No, what would have hurt is that the Tigers didn't have one or both of the game's two leading goalkickers wearing their colours.

And they could have. Almost three years ago, the Tigers opted for Brett Deledio with their first pick. The Hawks had next selection and chose Jarryd Roughead. At pick three, the Bulldogs chose Ryan Griffen. Then it was the Tigers' turn again. "Richard Tambling" was the name they called out. The Hawks followed with Lance Franklin. OUCH!

Good big men win big games. Jonathan Brown, Warren Tredrea and Barry Hall all brought home recent premierships. Last year, Eagles Ashley Hansen and Quinten Lynch did their job, kicking five of their team's 12 goals. That the Tigers overlooked Roughead and Franklin will haunt them for the next decade. The Hawk pair are 20-year-olds who lead their team's goalkicking with another tall, Tim Boyle. The trio have kicked 94 goals between them.

The Tigers have only one tall, Matthew Richardson, who has had any impact on the scoreboard with 37 goals. "Richo" will front up again next year at 33 years of age. Why, oh why, did the Tigers opt for the short options when little blokes are a dime a dozen? On Sunday, Richmond took only eight marks inside its forward 50. The Hawks took 18.

Deledio will be a very good player, but in two full seasons he hasn't featured in his team's top 10 in the club championship. Nor has he learnt how to gut-run to shake a tag. Tambling has been a disappointment. He doesn't run hard enough, often enough and is yet to show a real appetite for the contest. On Sunday, he touched the ball only five times and was benched because of his lack of intensity. Efforts like that deflate the Tiger faithful.

And the diehards have to look twice to check that the "Little League" isn't playing. Never before have so many ants worn the Tiger strip. Richmond took the ball into its forward 50 on 45 occasions, as opposed to Hawthorn's 66. If you kick the ball backwards as much as the Tigers do, those figures will eventuate.

Richmond coach Terry Wallace, now into the third year of a five-year contract, finds himself under the pump. When he took over a wooden-spoon team the only way was up, and he did that with 10 wins followed by 11 in the first two seasons. In year three, there has been a massive dip and the spoon beckons again.

Bad decisions, ordinary recruiting and bad luck have cost Wallace. Should he have cut popular decade-long defenders Andrew Kellaway and Darren Gaspar? Probably not. Should he have recruited 28-year-old Kent Kingsley? Definitely not. Should strong, aggressive David Rodan, who has now played every game in 2007 with Port Adelaide, have been allowed to leave the club? I thought the decision was right, but Port coach Mark Williams obviously saw something in Rodan that most of us didn't.

Should young, developing forwards in Jack Riewoldt and Cleve Hughes be played more regularly? Absolutely. And is it time for Graham Polak to be relieved of his role as spare man in the back line, and be forced to prove that he can go head-to-head with the Halls, Browns and Pavliches of the football world and actually beat them? This, in turn, could free up the most undersized key defender in the business, Joel Bowden, to fully use his creativity and not be stressed by playing week-in, week-out on taller, stronger, younger forwards.

And would Wallace regret holding a press conference earlier in the year when he told all assembled not to expect too much from the Tigers until 2011? You bet he would. Everyone needs hope, even if it is false.

The bad luck has come through serious injury to three of his best players. Nathan Brown, Troy Simmonds and Mark Coughlan between them have played 11 out of a possible 45 games this season. That hurts. So Wallace finds himself coaching for his long-term future. He has 51 games to secure his career and to put the Tigers on the right track. It won't be easy.

TIGER RECRUITING
(And Robert Walls' rating on players' performances thus far)

2004 NATIONAL DRAFT

Pick    Games (played/possible)    Rating

1. Brett Deledio         57/59      7/10

4. Richard Tambling   47/59      4/10
     
12. Danny Meyer       17/59       2/10

16. Adam Pattison     29/59       5/10

20. Dean Polo            25/59       5/10

2005 NATIONAL DRAFT

8. Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls   7/37    2/10   

24. Cleve Hughes             8/37     4/10

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 08:39:55 AM »
Why didn't Wallsy mention players he drafted in his ill-fated Richmond coaching attempt, players which should be now playing in their 200+ games.
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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 12:18:56 PM »
Yeah - good point.

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 12:20:35 PM »
 :gobdrop agree with most of the stuff he says  :gobdrop

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1. Brett Deledio         57/59      7/10

IMO by draftee standards he would be about 8/10, wallsy obviously hasn't seen much of him this year

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4. Richard Tambling   47/59      4/10


Tad harsh but around the mark

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12. Danny Meyer       17/59       2/10


needs to work so much harder to make the most of his oozing talent

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16. Adam Pattison     29/59       5/10


around the mark

20. Dean Polo            25/59       5/10

very harsh judgement. 1st year can be ignored as a developing played, was outstanding last year, hampered this year by injury, poor observation by wallsy

2005 NATIONAL DRAFT

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8. Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls   7/37    2/10
 

hit the nail on the head

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24. Cleve Hughes             8/37     4/10

can't help that he has been given a lack of opportunities

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 04:31:29 PM »
Why didn't Wallsy mention players he drafted in his ill-fated Richmond coaching attempt, players which should be now playing in their 200+ games.

I've got the same answer to Walls as I had 3 months ago when he wrote a similar article about us. The guy had 11 National draft picks in his time as coach and only 1 played more than 25 games for us and that was Chaffey. The only talls he drafted were 3 ruckmen - Brad Smith, Paddy Steinfort and Steve McKee. Two of them never played a game. Not one KPP in 2 National drafts. Dutchy Holland was gained via a trade and Gas a PSD compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield. Way to go Wallsy. Great recruiting  ::).

1995

35 Brad Smith                     0
46 Ben Moore                   24
59 Ewan Thompson             4
67 Michael Raidis                0
F/S Joel Bowden             229*
F/S Nicholas Jewell              1
Trade Ben Harrison            74  (+ pick 35 for Justin Murphy)
Trade Ben Holland            125  (for pics 16 and 32)
Trade Robert Powell           56  (for Matthew Francis)
Trade Wayne Thornborrow  0  (for Jamie Elliott)

1996

PSD  Darren Gaspar   208 (compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield)
16 Pat Steinfort              0
35 Mark Chaffey         166
41 Matthew Manfield        6
55 Steven McKee          20
63 Jason Baldwin            2
72  Brent Frewen            0
79 Daniel Donati             1
Trade Trent Nichols       19  (for pick 50)

1997

PSD Brett Evans           28

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 04:43:40 PM »
Should he have cut popular decade-long defenders Andrew Kellaway and Darren Gaspar? Probably not - Walls, July 17, 2007

"After 13 years, Darren still causes you to shudder when he puts boot to ball." - Walls, April 28, 2007

"At Richmond, where funds aren't flush, is it so important to teach and develop the talent you have. Have the Tigers done this? Who is being schooled to be a top-line 200-gamer?
Yes: Andrew Raines and Deledio.
Maybe: Tambling, Jay Schulz and Chris Newman.
Unlikely: Pettifer, Patrick Bowden, Shane Tuck, Krakouer and a host of others.
But what the Tigers do have is youth. Eighteen players on the list are 21 or younger. They will take time.

Perhaps the coach was right when he suggested the next couple of years will be tough. It's just that plenty did not want to hear that."

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 05:17:40 PM »
Why didn't Wallsy mention players he drafted in his ill-fated Richmond coaching attempt, players which should be now playing in their 200+ games.

I've got the same answer to Walls as I had 3 months ago when he wrote a similar article about us. The guy had 11 National draft picks in his time as coach and only 1 played more than 25 games for us and that was Chaffey. The only talls he drafted were 3 ruckmen - Brad Smith, Paddy Steinfort and Steve McKee. Two of them never played a game. Not one KPP in 2 National drafts. Dutchy Holland was gained via a trade and Gas a PSD compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield. Way to go Wallsy. Great recruiting  ::).

1995

35 Brad Smith                     0
46 Ben Moore                   24
59 Ewan Thompson             4
67 Michael Raidis                0
F/S Joel Bowden             229*
F/S Nicholas Jewell              1
Trade Ben Harrison            74  (+ pick 35 for Justin Murphy)
Trade Ben Holland            125  (for pics 16 and 32)
Trade Robert Powell           56  (for Matthew Francis)
Trade Wayne Thornborrow  0  (for Jamie Elliott)

1996

PSD  Darren Gaspar   208 (compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield)
16 Pat Steinfort              0
35 Mark Chaffey         166
41 Matthew Manfield        6
55 Steven McKee          20
63 Jason Baldwin            2
72  Brent Frewen            0
79 Daniel Donati             1
Trade Trent Nichols       19  (for pick 50)

1997

PSD Brett Evans           28

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That is a stunning list MightyTiges.

Walls you are a wanker.

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 06:30:56 PM »
Why didn't Wallsy mention players he drafted in his ill-fated Richmond coaching attempt, players which should be now playing in their 200+ games.

I've got the same answer to Walls as I had 3 months ago when he wrote a similar article about us. The guy had 11 National draft picks in his time as coach and only 1 played more than 25 games for us and that was Chaffey. The only talls he drafted were 3 ruckmen - Brad Smith, Paddy Steinfort and Steve McKee. Two of them never played a game. Not one KPP in 2 National drafts. Dutchy Holland was gained via a trade and Gas a PSD compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield. Way to go Wallsy. Great recruiting  ::).

1995

35 Brad Smith                     0
46 Ben Moore                   24
59 Ewan Thompson             4
67 Michael Raidis                0
F/S Joel Bowden             229*
F/S Nicholas Jewell              1
Trade Ben Harrison            74  (+ pick 35 for Justin Murphy)
Trade Ben Holland            125  (for pics 16 and 32)
Trade Robert Powell           56  (for Matthew Francis)
Trade Wayne Thornborrow  0  (for Jamie Elliott)

1996

PSD  Darren Gaspar   208 (compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield)
16 Pat Steinfort              0
35 Mark Chaffey         166
41 Matthew Manfield        6
55 Steven McKee          20
63 Jason Baldwin            2
72  Brent Frewen            0
79 Daniel Donati             1
Trade Trent Nichols       19  (for pick 50)

1997

PSD Brett Evans           28

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 06:32:14 PM »
Why didn't Wallsy mention players he drafted in his ill-fated Richmond coaching attempt, players which should be now playing in their 200+ games.

I've got the same answer to Walls as I had 3 months ago when he wrote a similar article about us. The guy had 11 National draft picks in his time as coach and only 1 played more than 25 games for us and that was Chaffey. The only talls he drafted were 3 ruckmen - Brad Smith, Paddy Steinfort and Steve McKee. Two of them never played a game. Not one KPP in 2 National drafts. Dutchy Holland was gained via a trade and Gas a PSD compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield. Way to go Wallsy. Great recruiting  ::).

1995

35 Brad Smith                     0
46 Ben Moore                   24
59 Ewan Thompson             4
67 Michael Raidis                0
F/S Joel Bowden             229*
F/S Nicholas Jewell              1
Trade Ben Harrison            74  (+ pick 35 for Justin Murphy)
Trade Ben Holland            125  (for pics 16 and 32)
Trade Robert Powell           56  (for Matthew Francis)
Trade Wayne Thornborrow  0  (for Jamie Elliott)

1996

PSD  Darren Gaspar   208 (compensation pick for the loss of Maxfield)
16 Pat Steinfort              0
35 Mark Chaffey         166
41 Matthew Manfield        6
55 Steven McKee          20
63 Jason Baldwin            2
72  Brent Frewen            0
79 Daniel Donati             1
Trade Trent Nichols       19  (for pick 50)

1997

PSD Brett Evans           28

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That is a stunning list MightyTiges.

Walls you are a wanker.

pretty much a foregone conclusion

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 06:45:43 PM »
You should send it to him at The Age, mt.  :)
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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 06:52:05 PM »
Ah yes MT,
that's my kind of argument :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
A winning one.


I BigFooty'd ur post cus it's such a pearler

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2007, 06:56:55 PM »
in fact it's almost criminal to not honor his achievements as a Richmond coach
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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007, 09:11:28 PM »
RICHMOND fans left the MCG on Sunday shaking their heads.

I shake my head when I read tripe like this article.

Beautiful work MT. "They will take time" cried Wallsy in Arpil 2007.

Now in July 2007 we need to sell a few papers I'll spin a 360 :wallywink

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Pick    Games (played/possible)    Rating

1. Brett Deledio         57/59      7/10


Fair rating - tend to agree

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4. Richard Tambling   47/59      4/10
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Unfair IMO - had a shocker on the weekend but I still say watch the WCE game and ypu'll see why he was our 2nd pick. Granted he needs more of the WCE performances - but they take time

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12. Danny Meyer       17/59       2/10

Probably the most disappointing of the 2004 bunch

16. Adam Pattison     29/59       5/10
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This season is probably going to be the making of Patto

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20. Dean Polo            25/59       5/10

Absolutely stupid rating IMHO - been injured this year, was excellent when he came in last year and 2005 was a development year (it takes time remember)

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8. Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls   7/37    2/10   

Second season - still way to early - hasn't had a proper pre-season - let's see how he goes once he does one

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24. Cleve Hughes             8/37     4/10

Again 2nd season only - have you ever thought Wallsy that the reason he isn't playing as much senior footy as you think he should is because he may not be ready  because remember they take time

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 09:49:16 PM »
WP you could have quoted my post and just said ditto it is so similar   ;D

would of at least saved you some time  ;)  :lol

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Re: Tigers caught short in the draft - Walls
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 01:57:57 PM »
This was Walls' list that had played a game when he was sacked

RFC 1997

Baldwin, Jason
Bond, Chris
Bourke, David
Bowden, Joel
Bower, Nathan
Broderick, Paul
Bulluss, Paul
Campbell, Wayne
Chaffey, Mark
Charles, Justin
Daffy, Nick
Donati, Daniel
Evans, Brett
Funcke, Ross
Gale, Brendon
Gale, Michael
Gaspar, Darren
Harrison, Ben
Holland, Ben
Jewell, Nick
Jurica, Stephen
Kellaway, Duncan
Knights, Matthew
Manfield, Matthew
Merenda, Mark
Moore, Ben
Naish, Chris
Nichols, Trent
Powell, Robert
Prescott, Ashley
Richardson, Matthew
Rogers, Matthew
Ryan, Damien
Tape, Jamie
Thompson, Ewan
Torney, Jason
Turner, Scott