Carlton-Judd threads [merged]

[1965]

Sauce?   

Usual, tomatoe

With spelling like that you could be President of the USA

 

[rogerd3]

Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right

mate for someone in the know you have no fricken idea, no pooh, you are clueless.

The reason why judd ended up at carlton, had absolutely nothing to do with finals propespects, or the playing list

Lets see how smart you are in figuring this out?

Its not real complicated,

the judd deal was instigated at least 6 months ago,  Pratt has offered more than the 6 mill.... ..

but we will never find out the exact amount.

[julzqld]

I can't understand Judd going to Carlton.  Carlton have won 3 wooden spoons since 2002.  Don't understand how they can fit him in the salary, especially after all the salary cap trouble they had a few years ago.  Have any of their draft picks really set the world on fire.  Marc Murphy was, until injury hit but has he done much since?  What about Bryce Gibbs?

Year                   Carlton                      Richmond
2002                   16th                         14th
2003                   15th                         13th
2004                   11th                         16th
2005                   16th                         12th
2006                   16th                         9th
2007                   15th                         16th

Yep I can see why he chose Carlton ???

[tigersalive]

Crikey's take . . . 

Al Gore, Dick Pratt and the long chase for Moby Dick
Charles Happell writes:

How did Carlton manage to sink its gaff into Chris Judd, the biggest catch in AFL football?

Simple. First, the Blues spent months planning and preparing for former West Coast captain Chris Judd’s return to Melbourne, having heard on the grapevine he wanted to come home. They then lost their last 11 games of the season which secured the all-important No.1 draft pick.
Then the club rolled out the man who speaks the same language as Judd - an eager green - environmental hot gospeller and one-time Presidential candidate Al Gore, to help the Blues' schmooze.
And, finally, when the club got to meet the superstar face-to-face a fortnight ago, Carlton president Dick Pratt not only served Judd a banquet at Raheen but promised him post-career security in the form of a well-paid posting with an environmental bent at Visy, the modest packaging and recycling concern Pratt owns.

And that irresistible mix of burley and bait helped the Blues land Moby Dick: perhaps the best player of his time.

Or so we surmise. In piecing together various elements of the Judd chase, we bring you a tale of intrigue, chicanery and not a little knavery. And not that we’d ever dabble in scuttlebutt and innuendo, but who’s to say it’s not true?

It is believed Carlton first got wind of Judd’s desire to return to Melbourne about May. The West Coast midfielder had revealed to confidantes he was unlikely to extend his contract beyond this year. The Bluebagger’s hierarchy, impatient for success, swung into action, forming what amounted to a Get Judd committee.
The committee went to work, searching for the strongest tackle and juiciest bait to land their catch. There is even a suggestion the club sounded out Judd’s coach at West Coast, John Worsfold, who was once an assistant to David Parkin at Optus Oval, to see if he’d be interested in taking over the reins in 2008. With Worsfold in place, it was reasoned that Judd would find it a lot easier to plump for Carlton.

The plan also involved losing games, lots of games. The Blues won their round-11 match on June 9, against Port Adelaide, then managed to lose the last 11 in a row. A masterstroke. If they had won any one of those games, they would have forfeited the right to the No.1 priority draft pick.

Armed with that all-important pick, the Blues are expected to draft Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer or, possibly, Kreuzer’s teammate Trent Cotchin. That then frees up their draft pick No.3 to offer to West Coast, along with various permutations and combinations of goodies, in the hope the Perth club signs off on the Judd deal.

The next part of the plan to lure football’s monster from the deep involved Gore, pipped at the Presidential post by butterfly ballots and hanging chads in 2000. Judd shares the same passion for the environment as the American, now an award-winning film-maker and poster boy for the global warming movement.

And it is said a meeting between the two was arranged during Gore’s visit to Melbourne a fortnight ago – which just happened to coincide with Judd’s visit from Perth to talk to various AFL suitor clubs. Judd was a lunch guest at Raheen, Pratt’s Italianate mansion in Kew, on Thursday 20 September. Gore the star attraction at a meet and greet over breakfast at Raheen three days later. At their meeting, perhaps Gore handed over his business card to the footballer and said: "You’ve got an open line to my office, Chris. Give me a call any time".

So, all the ingredients were in place. The line was dangled, the bait gobbled and the Blues had landed their prize catch. (With a heavily front-loaded contract worth more next season than any footballer has been paid before). President Pratt? Captain Ahab more like.

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cheats cheats cheats

[Tigermonk]

as l said X its all done under the table these days
Judd would be well looked after including his Twig by the bigman himself
all Carlscum debt would be wiped the moment the bigman walked in the door
The club would be topped up to overflow & there is no law to stop this happening its buisness
by the time its all found out it be too late crime always pays

[julzqld]

 

and the stupid AFL just sat back and let it all happen - and to add insult to injury, award Carlton priority picks.

 

Wonder if they believe in karma?

[mightytiges]

But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded   

[bluey_21]

But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded   

AFL = joke

Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer

Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered

that will show those carlton scumbags

[bluey_21]

What about Bryce Gibbs?

his been to busy falling over in the goal square 

[mightytiges]

But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded   

AFL = joke

Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer

Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered

that will show those carlton scumbags

5 years deals are very risky as we all know especially on that kind of money (Kouta) and the Blues only have one pick in the top 35. Karma could come back to bite them.

[rogerd3]

But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded   

AFL = joke

Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer

Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered

that will show those carlton scumbags

karma is a bitch, and lets look at what happened last time this mob manipulated the system for their own gain.

lose of draft picks and i think 1 mill in fines...this time we have a not disimilar situation (manipulating the system),  this deal was on going for at least 6 months (mentioned it elsewhere), the money component is way much more than is been reported ..

good luck to the bloos but you would hate for Judd to jag his leg or knee and have him setting on the sidelines, sometimes you can be too smart for your own good and in this case the bloos might have just achieved this.

[one-eyed]

Nisbett in the Age and Paul Roos in the Herald-Sun have accused Carlton of deliberately tanking. The article also shows Richmond were cut-out by Judd, his manager and Carlton, no matter what picks/players we could have offered West Coast.

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tanks-for-nothing-carlton/2007/10/12/1191696179365.html

Tanks for nothing, Carlton
Steve Butler and Craig O'donoghue | October 13, 2007

WEST Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett says that although Carlton did not breach AFL rules in its hunt for Chris Judd, the Blues had deliberately lost games — or tanked — to ensure a priority pick before the national draft.

Nisbett revealed Richmond had been prepared to offer a package including its draft picks two and 18 to West Coast for Judd if it could have done a separate trade deal to win back another top-10 selection.

The Eagles would then have dealt with the Tigers to preserve the "integrity" of the system.

But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.

"We were tempted to do a deal with Richmond on the basis that Chris would have gone to the lowest club and it would have maintained the integrity of the draft, which is that the bottom clubs should get the best players," Nisbett said.

"In this case, the second-bottom club got the best player and also for want of a better word, had tanked the last seven or eight games to get a priority pick. That's within the rules, so I guess in the end we have to look at how the rules are structured.

"Now every player will think that if they need to leave a club, they can just walk out, interview clubs and select one — and there's no reason at the moment why you can't. Our club remains an advocate for no free agency because it protects the integrity of the whole competition."

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now more than ever i really do hope terry wallace fills up richmonds head b4 rnd 1 that judd did not want us nor gave us a chance.

i wanna see a team liuke the teams terry coached at the dogs, damn dirty and target judd and smash his attogant figjam face in and pop his knee caps and while they are at it, dislocated his shoulders and tear his pec muscles pof teh bone

destroy the prick, so he can spend less time playing footy and spend more time saving the environment

[mjs]

But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.


Can anyone explain to me how this could work?

If Judd put $2m on his head for year one and Richmond passed, Carlton would have to put that $2m against his name for next year - how could they then pay the other players?

Both teams have the same salary cap. It's not a question of who has the deepest pockets nor Carlton actually paying him less - the whole $2m goes against his name. Neil Balme stated that anything above 1.2m to one player makes it virtually impossible to run your football department.

I'm also keen to find out whether we ever discussed a deal with Carlton to take pick 3 and pass on Judd in the pre-season. Patrick Smith still claiming this in today's paper. I hope we didn't.