Mike's top 50 of all-time

[mightytiges]

I didn't get the Herald-Sun today. Can someone post which Tigers made Mike's preliminary list of 150. The final 50 comes out on Thursday.

I've heard Jack Dyer and Roy Wright are in it. Presumably Hart, Bourke and KB are there too. Any others?

Mike has asked readers to vote for their top 10. I guess we can have a go here. Hard to judge players you haven't seen.

My top 10: (from who I've seen - late 70s to the present)

KB
Voss
Hird
Carey 
Darren Jarman
Malcolm Blight
Greg Williams
Gary Ablett Snr
Peter Matera
Tim Watson

[one-eyed]

SEN's top 10

1. Matthews
2. Carey
3. Nash
4. Coleman
5. Ablett
6. Blight
7. Whitten
8. Skilton
9. Bourke
10. Bartlett

[Smokey]

My 10 but not in any order:

Kevin Bartlett
Wayne Carey
Gary Ablett (Snr)
Peter Hudson
Ian Stewart
Greg Williams
James Hird
Tony Lockett
Leigh Matthews
Robert Harvey

And I apologise to the hundred more that should also be in that list!!   

[Hellenic Tiger]

1. Leigh Matthews
2. Tony Lockett
3. Bob Skilton
4. Kevin Bartlett
5. Ted Whitten
6. Wayne Carey
7. Jason Dunstall
8. Ian Stewart
9. Peter Hudson
10. Gary Ablett Snr

[richmondrules]

Well Scott Palmer reckons this

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23302858-661,00.html

His top 10

1. Gary Ablett Sr (Geelong, Hawthorn)
248 games, 1030 goals

2. Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn)
332 games, 915 goals

3. Ted Whitten (Footscray)
321 games, 360 goals

4. Wayne Carey (Kangaroos, Adelaide)
272 games, 727 goals

5. John Coleman (Essendon)
98 games, 537 goals

6. Graham `Polly' Farmer (Geelong)
101 games, 65 goals

7. Tony Lockett (St Kilda, Sydney)
281 games, 1360 goals

8. Dick Reynolds (Essendon)
320 games, 442 goals

9. Haydn Bunton (Fitzroy)
119 games, 207 goals

10. James Hird (Essendon)
253 games, 343 goals

Richmond players included.

12. Ian Stewart (St Kilda, Richmond)
22. Royce Hart (Richmond)
34. Kevin Bartless (Richmond) (Whoever he is ?  Didn't see Bartlett anywhere either).
35. Jack Dyer (Richmond)
38. Francis Bourke (Richmond)

[blx]

wow funny how time reduces a players worth.

Royce Hart vs James Hird? Royce Hart vs Wayne Carey?

If it was backyard footy i'd choose Royce first, he IS the best CHF/CHB in any era in my book. Him at one end and Coleman up the other.

A deadset freak when it counted most. best player along with yablett i've ever had the pleasure of watching  to both.

James and Wayne who???

[mightytiges]

Buckley at 19 

[richmondrules]

Buckley at 19 

Buckley before Voss. 

[WilliamPowell]

The Tigers in MIke's listing in Alpha order are:

Bartlett
Bourke
Dyer
Hart
Raines, Geoff (will claim as Tiger)
Rioli
Stewart, Ian
Thorp (vic)
Titus
Wallace, Terry (does playing 11 games for Richmond qualify him  )
Weightman
Wright (Roy)
 

[mightytiges]

Wallace, Terry (does playing 11 games for Richmond qualify him  )

One game wonder as a player at Tigerland lol 

Thanks for that WP. Says a lot about us that the youngest player on that list (Flea) retired 15 years ago.

[one-eyed]

Mike's gone for Carey at #1 followed by Matthews at #2. The full list must be in the real paper as it's not online.

Wayne Carey named football's greatest player
Mark Hayes | March 06, 2008

WAYNE Carey has been anointed the greatest player in 150 years of Australian football by Herald Sun chief football writer Mike Sheahan.

In what he described as an overwhelming and impossible task, Sheahan said he just loved the way Carey played the game on a weekly basis.

"No one in my time has been so productive, so consistent, so exciting in the most difficult area on the field," Sheahan said yesterday.

But it's not a view shared by Hawthorn legend Dermott Brereton, who says former teammate Leigh Matthews was the "complete player" and deserves the accolade.

Carey topped an elite field in Sheahan's Top 50, beating Matthews into second place after the champion rover-cum-forward was named in 1999 by the Herald Sun writers and columnists as the footballer of the 20th century.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23326656-19742,00.html

[one-eyed]

Here's Mike's list from the actual paper:
 
1. Wayne Carey
2. Leigh Matthews
3. Ted Whitten
4. Gary Ablett
5. Jason Dunstall
6. Tony Lockett
7. John Nicholls
8. Graham Farmer
9. Kevin Bartlett - "Bartlett was unique: clever, amazingly quick and nimble, supremely confident and possessed of extraordinary endurance. Few players have been as quick off the mark, or better at gathering the ball off hands within sight of goal."
10. Greg Williams

11. Ian Stewart - "A beautiful player to watch, Stewart would have been a champion in any era."
12. Bill Hutchison
13. Dick Reynolds
14. Bobby Skilton
15. Haydn Bunton
16. Peter Hudson
17. Simon Madden
18. Royce Hart - "He thrilled crowds, becoming the key to Richmond's famed long-kicking, direct style of football."
19. Michael Voss
20. James Hird

21. Gordon Conventry
22. John Coleman
23. Darrel Baldock
24. Malcolm Blight
25. Bruce Doull
26. Alex Jesaulenko
27. Syd Coventry
28. Jack Dyer - "He was genuinely tough and a fierce competitor, but old-timers said he was quick when he first started playing and as strong as anyone to that point."
29. Ron Barassi
30. Robert Harvey

31. Kevin Murray
32. Barry Cable
33. Stephen Kernahan
34. Nathan Buckley
35. Stephen Silvagni
36. Bob Rose
37. Walter Lee
38. Bob Pratt
39. Peter Matera
40. David Dench

41. Doug Wade
42. Ben Cousins
43. Michael Tuck
44. Francis Bourke - "Hard working, disciplined and fiercely competitive, Bourke's standing among the greats is beyond dispute."
45. Len Thompson
46. Glen Jakovich
47. Garry Wilson
48. Albert Collier
49. Wayne Schimmelbusch
50. Jack Mueller

Tigers to miss out: Bill Morris, Geoff Raines, Maurice Rioli, Jack Titus, Vic Thorp, Dale Weightman, Roy Wright. Wallace missed out too.

[mightytiges]

Biased but Hart > Carey

* 5 goals on debut
* Picked to play for Victoria after just a handful of games and kicked 6 against WA
* Kicked another 6 against Carlton in the 1967 SF
* 13 kicks, 6 hb, 7 marks including "that mark" late in the 1967 Granny.
* Premiership player of course.
* Leading club goalkicker
* International rules tour to Ireland.
A star CHF as just a 19 year old.

* 1969 B&F while flying in for the games from SA while in the army. Another flag too.
* 1970 wrote a autobiography including his best team with himself named at CHF. Then proved it right.
* 2nd in B&F 1971 and leading goalkicker
* 1972 B&F. 7 goals vs South. Another GF appearance.
* In 1973 named captain and came off the bench after half-time in the PF with the Tiges 6 goals down to inspire them to victory kicking 2 goals himself. With his knee still buggered he followed it up in the GF with 3 goals and 19 possessions. Flag No. 3. Also captained Victoria.
* 1974 = His 4th flag and back-to-back as captain.
* 1975 once again came off the bench in the PF with the Tiges behind at half-time and kicked a goal immediately.
Stuffed knees was the only reason he had to retire. A one club champion too  .

Carey was a champion but Hart > Carey