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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 11:10:46 PM »
One thing that you can say about the Holland brothers - they got the maximum amount of income out of their football careers  ;D

Ben was looked after in a number of ways - from what was on the show tonight it's unclear if the claim represents salary cap irregularities. He was given access to financial training via work opportunities that were certainly of benefit but it was work so also probably outside salary cap.

Not a good look though.

ps - We had Gasper under attack from Freo at the time - I think.

Rumour had it Gaspar was being offered a McDonals or Hungry Jacks franchise at the time in order to go back to WA and sign for Freo. :shh

And a few are and were tied up with Boost Jiuce stores :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 11:15:17 PM »
One thing that you can say about the Holland brothers - they got the maximum amount of income out of their football careers  ;D

Ben was looked after in a number of ways - from what was on the show tonight it's unclear if the claim represents salary cap irregularities. He was given access to financial training via work opportunities that were certainly of benefit but it was work so also probably outside salary cap.

Not a good look though.

ps - We had Gasper under attack from Freo at the time - I think.

Rumour had it Gaspar was being offered a McDonals or Hungry Jacks franchise at the time in order to go back to WA and sign for Freo. :shh

And a few are and were tied up with Boost Jiuce stores :shh :shh :shh :shh
You have a mouth and a half  :help

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2008, 11:17:00 PM »
Boost Juice franchises have had their moment in the sun haven't they?

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 11:17:42 PM »
Now ,how long as steve wright been at RFC for ?? Where is Rogerd3 when you need him ?

i think your time line is a bit out of whack Jackstar.
 

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 11:19:31 PM »
Now ,how long as steve wright been at RFC for ?? Where is Rogerd3 when you need him ?

i think your time line is a bit out of whack Jackstar.
 
::) he night have to run for cover now though

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2008, 11:29:41 PM »
Now ,how long as steve wright been at RFC for ?? Where is Rogerd3 when you need him ?

i think your time line is a bit out of whack Jackstar.
 
::) he night have to run for cover now though

?...unfortunately as he is the current CEO he will be answerable for past deeds done by that bloke who called himself a President.

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2008, 11:40:22 PM »
*cough*

Errr but clearly since we didnt pay him for any of it we didnt exceed the salary cap.  :lol

Well thats my take and Im sticking with it.  :rollin



But seriously it's Casey's personal offer and I dont think it will implicate RFC.
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2008, 12:11:06 AM »
Didn't pay him so it doesn't matter.

Begs the question on Browny though.  Is that the reason he left a struggling club like Footscray and came to a successful club like Richmond. ???

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2008, 12:17:36 AM »
well l'm not going to comment on this until all the documents are lodged to the supreme court & know the full story,  l heard of these types of contracts many times before & its common practice & has been for many of years
it could be a simple non payment issue as long as its documented in the players contract it would be within the salary cap & could be nothing more than a broke club not being able to meet its player payments
then it would be sorted out between the 2 parties with the AFL being involved & solved
for all we know it could have been lodged to the courts previously & the player involved has waited for the club to become wealthy again so he can claim whats owing enough said, so dont go jumping out of your tiger skins yet be calm  :thumbsup

Carlton with Frazer Brown breached the salary cap & were proscecuted but that dont mean RFC have done the same until it comes out

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2008, 12:22:19 AM »
*cough*

Errr but clearly since we didnt pay him for any of it we didnt exceed the salary cap.  :lol

Well thats my take and Im sticking with it.  :rollin



But seriously it's Casey's personal offer and I dont think it will implicate RFC.

wrong

if both parties are agreeable to payment, its part of the salary cap & classed as payment within the players contract even if no money or benefits have changed hands. ? of the football club is offering it under the banner of the RFC to a player under their banner & the club is liable for his actions

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2008, 12:47:45 AM »
*cough*

Errr but clearly since we didnt pay him for any of it we didnt exceed the salary cap.  :lol

Well thats my take and Im sticking with it.  :rollin



But seriously it's Casey's personal offer and I dont think it will implicate RFC.

wrong

if both parties are agreeable to payment, its part of the salary cap & classed as payment within the players contract even if no money or benefits have changed hands. ? of the football club is offering it under the banner of the RFC to a player under their banner & the club is liable for his actions
But wouldnt be like Richard Pratt and his "Judd came to Carlton to do business with Chris Judd" type of arrangement though which is apparently legal?  THe football club didnt offer it, Casey did, thats the significant part of it.

However I see the link that you make as well but without any real substantial information at this point of how it was offered we're playing pin the tail on the donkey for now.
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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2008, 12:56:09 AM »
But wouldnt be like Richard Pratt and his "Judd came to Carlton to do business with Chris Judd" type of arrangement though which is apparently legal?  THe football club didnt offer it, Casey did, thats the significant part of it.

However I see the link that you make as well but without any real substantial information at this point of how it was offered we're playing pin the tail on the donkey for now.

yes it could be a simple agreement between the 2, but Player has launched action on both parties which ties the 2 together the CLUB & ?
if its writtern into the contract it could be well within the salary cap as the club was going bust, it could be nothing but simple non payment & now the club has money the player can ask to be paid upto 15 years of court documents lodged
until them document & a press release its pin the tail on the donkey  :lol

Pratt & Judd would be a job offer which is legal, you can have a job playing football & also be a electrician & work for your club president under his company banner as long as his paying taxes he can have 10 jobs & play football, but only has to declare to the league what his football club is paying him.  he can earn a million $$$ elsewhere its no-one buisness as long as Mr Tax gets his share

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2008, 01:53:37 AM »
But wouldnt be like Richard Pratt and his "Judd came to Carlton to do business with Chris Judd" type of arrangement though which is apparently legal?  THe football club didnt offer it, Casey did, thats the significant part of it.

However I see the link that you make as well but without any real substantial information at this point of how it was offered we're playing pin the tail on the donkey for now.

yes it could be a simple agreement between the 2, but Player has launched action on both parties which ties the 2 together the CLUB & ?
if its writtern into the contract it could be well within the salary cap as the club was going bust, it could be nothing but simple non payment & now the club has money the player can ask to be paid upto 15 years of court documents lodged
until them document & a press release its pin the tail on the donkey  :lol

Pratt & Judd would be a job offer which is legal, you can have a job playing football & also be a electrician & work for your club president under his company banner as long as his paying taxes he can have 10 jobs & play football, but only has to declare to the league what his football club is paying him.  he can earn a million $$$ elsewhere its no-one buisness as long as Mr Tax gets his share

Well lets hope Casey's podiatry job offer was very rewarding and whatever else relates to RFC keeps us under the cap for that year.  :thumbsup   :lol
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Holland sues over Tiger deal (The Age)
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2008, 02:28:45 AM »
Dutchy says he met Casey and Spud at Crown and that he has the promises in writing.....

According to the statement, the inducements were offered at a meeting with Casey and Frawley on October 6, 2001, at Koko's restaurant at the Crown Casino and that the "opportunities" were later "confirmed in writing on or about 16 October, 2001", a copy of which Holland says he possesses.



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Holland sues over Tiger deal
Thomas Arup | April 4, 2008 | The Age

VETERAN Melbourne player Ben Holland is suing his former club, Richmond, and former Tiger president Clinton Casey for lost "business and investment opportunities" that he claims he never received in a 2001 agreement that may have breached the AFL salary cap.

In a statement of claim filed in the Supreme Court of Victoria, dated September 27, 2007, Holland also alleges similar "opportunities" were offered to other Richmond players and officials "including business opportunities in property developments with which Casey was directly and indirectly involved such as the Sandhurst project".

The statement says that in October 2001, Casey, a property developer, in the presence of then Tigers coach Danny Frawley, offered inducements that would compensate him for the $530,000 difference between a contract offered by Adelaide, also in that month.

The allegations, which were raised on Channel Nine's The Footy Show last night, may mean Richmond contravened AFL salary cap regulations, for which the club can be fined and lose draft picks and premiership points.

According to the statement, the inducements were offered at a meeting with Casey and Frawley on October 6, 2001, at Koko's restaurant at the Crown Casino and that the "opportunities" were later "confirmed in writing on or about 16 October, 2001", a copy of which Holland says he possesses.

The Age last night tried to contact Casey. He is believed to be overseas and could not be reached. AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said late last night that he "had no reaction".

Richmond said in a statement issued last night: "No formal claim has been served upon the club. RFC is currently awaiting legal advice in respect of these matters and we have notified the AFL of these claims.

"Once legal advice has been received this information will be made available to the AFL."

In early October 2001, Richmond offered the out-of-contract Holland $800,000 over three years. Shortly afterwards, the Crows offered him $1.33 million over three years.

In the statement of claim, Holland alleges that Casey offered the following "business and investment opportunities" to compensate him for the monetary difference between the two offers:

■ Involvement in a Sandhurst property development in which Holland would be allocated selected blocks of land for $180,000 before the land was released for sale to the public, plus similar opportunities in other property developments.

■ An arrangement for Holland to provide podiatry services — Holland is a qualified podiatrist — at aged care facilities in Victoria in which Casey was involved.

■ An arrangement for Holland to acquire a large parcel of shares in a particular company whose shares were expected to increase.

Holland finished sixth in the Tigers' 2001 best and fairest count in a season where Richmond finished third.

Holland injured his knee in April 2002 and was cut from the Tigers' list in September 2003 and subsequently traded to Melbourne on the basis that Richmond would pay Holland the difference between the two contracts for season 2004.

Holland maintains the business and investment opportunities never eventuated, apart from $4000 in podiatry services.

He is suing for $530,000, which he claims is the difference between the Adelaide offer and the one he accepted at Richmond.

Casey quit as the president of Richmond Football Club at the end of 2005 to concentrate on his business, the Casey Group, which develops property including luxury aged-care facilities. Casey and his wife Leslie founded the company in 1988.

The case has similarities to that of former Carlton duo Stephen Silvagni and Craig Bradley, who, at the urging of the club, came forward with information about promised monetary entitlements outside the salary cap, which were never paid.

In 2002, Carlton was fined $987,000, disqualified from receiving priority picks and barred from the first two rounds of the national draft for two years.

Speaking on The Footy Showlast night, Richmond forward Matthew Richardson said he was never offered "opportunities" by Casey, nor had he heard of the allegations until yesterday afternoon.

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http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/holland-sues-over-tiger-deal/2008/04/03/1206851113196.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

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Re: Ben Holland suing RFC and Clinton Casey for half a million
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2008, 04:51:53 AM »
Sorry for being cynical but what a nice little retirement nestegg for someone in their final year of AFL  :whistle.

Maybe the club should countersue for only receiving 1 good year in return out of 8 while on our list lol.

The biggest shock for me is the Crows were willing to pay him $1.3m over 3 years :o.

Let's not forget Freo at the same time this was going on offered Gas $700k per year to go home despite them knowing it would take them well over the salary cap. I didn't see them lose any draft picks for that  ::).

What a disaster that post 2001 offseason was  :banghead. We could have had Sugar in a direct swap for Holland instead of trading out of the top 10 and giving up Torney as well the following year plus being forced to pay part of Dutchy's salary at Melbourne  :scream.
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