GC17, West Sydney - Need to go for top kids in next 2 drafts or we won't get any

[Judge Roughneck]

They can have Raines.

Not the end of the world if McGaune goes either.

[mightytiges]

It's unusual for those outside the club to rate a player far more highly than our own supporters. Rainesy seems to be that player. It must be absence makes the heart grow fonder lol as he's been injured for most of the past 18 months.

[one-eyed]

AFL secret draft for Gold Coast's uncontracted player swoop
Jon Ralph | May 06, 2009 09:05pm

THE AFL has settled on compensation criteria for clubs whose players are poached by the Gold Coast, but will keep them secret.

Gold Coast recruiting manager Scott Clayton has until the end of next season to lure one uncontracted player from each rival club before the new team begins playing in 2012.

The AFL revealed yesterday salary cap investigator Ken Wood would govern the compensation scheme.

The formula will take into account players' ages, best-and-fairest finishes in recent years, and rank of earning power at their club, as well as draft selection number if they have been at their club less than four years.

But the exact weighting of those criteria will be kept in-house so clubs cannot manipulate them to boost the compensation they receive.

A club could easily boost a best-and-fairest ranking or change player payment structures if it was obvious that player was about to depart for the Gold Coast.

The spectre of clubs losing star players to the Gold Coast is set to be the main talking point of the 2010 season.

AFL legal and business affairs manager Andrew Dillon confirmed yesterday the compensation had been set for the expected meat market that will follow next season.

He said clubs could ask the AFL what the compensation draft pick would be for a particular player, and while they would be informed, they will not know how it was formulated.

"The criteria will be available, but the weightings provided for each one will be proprietary to the AFL," Dillon said.

Compensation selections will be divided into five categories: first-round draft pick, end of first round, second round, end of second round, and third round.

If a club loses a player, it can use the pick immediately or in any of the next five years.

Wood will take charge of the scheme, because he is the only person allowed to know how much players are paid.

Dillon said the AFL believed it had the weightings right.

"We have modelled it on 10-15 players across the league at the end of last year, and we think it was pretty representative," he said.


COMPENSATION RULES

IF AN uncontracted player leaves for the Gold Coast, these factors will be considered before a compensation pick is given:

- What age bracket the player is in, and games played.

- The calibre of his best-and-fairest finishes in previous seasons.

- Where he sits in terms of earnings compared to teammates. Is he ranked from 1-6 or 7-12?

- The draft pick used to select him if he had played four or less years.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25435727-19742,00.html

[wayne]

Could some clubs now give fringe players a few extra votes in the B&F to try and boost their value??

[Stripes]

Could some clubs now give fringe players a few extra votes in the B&F to try and boost their value??

Yes. We should do that with McGuane and Raines too this year. I wouldn't be heartbroken if we lost Raines but losing McGuane would hurt us IMHO.

Stripes

[gtig]

Richo amazing return to form to lead the developing GC team goalkickers in his last year of AFL footy 2011, after being delisted by perennial 9th (soon to be 10th) place getter Richmond in 2010.

[mightytiges]

Most of our top 10 B&F finishers have been our mature players despite Lids winning the JDM last year so unless there's a big call by the new coach (trading Tucky for instance) then the B&F criteria doesn't do us much favours 

2005

1st: Joel Bowden 221
2nd: Matthew Richardson 220
3rd: Shane Tuck 197
4th: Darren Gaspar 184
5th: Mark Coughlan 172
6th: Chris Newman 171
7th: Kane Johnson 147
8th: Wayne Campbell 141
9th: Troy Simmonds 140
10th: Nathan Brown 129

2006

1 - Kane Johnson (226)
2 - Andrew Raines (223)
3 - Troy Simmonds (215)
4 - Joel Bowden (204)
5 - Kayne Pettifer (186)
6 - Greg Tivendale (172)
7 - Matthew Richardson (164)
8 - Patrick Bowden (160)
9 - Dean Polo (152)
10 - Shane Tuck (151)

2007

1st        Matthew Richardson     214 votes
2nd      Nathan Foley                213
3rd       Shane Tuck                  181
4th       Joel Bowden                176
5th       Brett Deledio                161
6th       Kayne Pettifer              158
7th       Graham Polak              152
8th       Chris Newman             134
9th       Kane Johnson               133
10th     Jake King                     129

2008

1. Brett Deledio           250
2. Shane Tuck              223
3. Matthew Richardson 203
4. Chris Newman         196
5. Kelvin Moore            186
6. Troy Simmonds         184
7. Nathan Foley            182
8. Jordan McMahon       162
9. Nathan Brown           161
10. Kane Johnson          155

[WA Tiger]

So just clear this up for me please; is it this up and coming draft where the QLD team gets all the picks or the following one??

[mightytiges]

So just clear this up for me please; is it this up and coming draft where the QLD team gets all the picks or the following one??

Next year's draft is when GC17 gets all the early picks in the National draft. However this year they get the choice of the best 17 year olds as the draftee birthdate cutoff for the 16 existing clubs is now 31st December 1991 rather than 30 April 1992. So effectively the usual draft pool has been cut by a third this year.

[WA Tiger]

Mmmm thanks MT, not good for us then we had better start and keep winning.

[Hes My Hero]

So just clear this up for me please; is it this up and coming draft where the QLD team gets all the picks or the following one??

Next year's draft is when GC17 gets all the early picks in the National draft. However this year they get the choice of the best 17 year olds as the draftee birthdate cutoff for the 16 existing clubs is now 31st December 1991 rather than 30 April 1992. So effectively the usual draft pool has been cut by a third this year.

Although this is true they must first agree to being drafted by GC17.

[mightytiges]

Mmmm thanks MT, not good for us then we had better start and keep winning.

Or if you're going to tank then this year is your last chance although if Melbourne and West Coast don't win 4 games this season then even a wooden spoon would still see you with pick 3 at best which means no Butcher or Scully anyway  . It'll be the Carlton situation in 2007 all over again except it'd be like missing out on both Kreuzer and Cotchin with two teams having priority pre-first round picks.

[mightytiges]

So just clear this up for me please; is it this up and coming draft where the QLD team gets all the picks or the following one??

Next year's draft is when GC17 gets all the early picks in the National draft. However this year they get the choice of the best 17 year olds as the draftee birthdate cutoff for the 16 existing clubs is now 31st December 1991 rather than 30 April 1992. So effectively the usual draft pool has been cut by a third this year.

Although this is true they must first agree to being drafted by GC17.

True HMH but if they don't agree they run the risk of waiting 12 more months to be drafted and if they are in the top bracket in 12 months time then GC17 can just draft them anyway with all the early picks they've been given. The AFL is effectively offloading the 2010 draft to GC17 in two waves to fill their list. The AFL will then do the same for West Sydney except two drafts will be used (2011 and 2012) to build the WS list. The AFL will do everything in its power to make WS quickly a success onfield given the pipedream risk it is off-field.

[one-eyed]

Astute clubs can reap rewards from AFL's Gold Coast expansion
Jon Ralph | May 20, 2009

WHILE supporters fear losing stars to the Gold Coast, a host of rival clubs are already planning how they can benefit.

The Gold Coast side has the potential to lure one uncontracted player from each club, with the Herald Sun this week revealing Luke Hodge, Jarryd Roughead and Joel Selwood are at the top of the wish list.

But while clubs are aware the Gold Coast's war chest will inevitably prise some players free, they will not go down without a fight.

They are aware the Gold Coast side has nine of the first 15 selections in the 2011 draft, some of which it will almost certainly trade away.

The clubs will also receive compensation in the form of draft picks if an uncontracted player takes off for the sun and sand of the Gold Coast.

So an astute club willing to give up either an ageing veteran or a player from an area in which it has depth might reap rewards.

Where some supporters see crisis, clubs see opportunity.

"It's not going to be a perfect outcome for everyone," Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert said.

"There will be winners and losers. We are in a competitive footy world.

"The natural inclination from our supporters and members is to see the worst-case scenario.

"For the clubs, we say, 'Where is the opportunity?'.

"Some of the opportunities, if we set up well and plan for them, could be great for the Collingwood footy club."

Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab was part of the six-man delegation from AFL clubs who helped the Gold Coast list formation working party.

He looks back to history to see how clubs can benefit.

"Essendon (Scott Lucas, Matthew Lloyd) and Adelaide (Andrew McLeod) did very well out of Fremantle starting up," Schwab said.

"Clubs have always done well out of expansion clubs starting up.

"But if you have a player in the system who is two or three years into their career and he's living up to expectations, there is almost no compensation for that."

Geelong chief executive Brian Cook steadfastly refuses to discuss individual contracts, but says clubs will seek to exploit the Gold Coast.

"Absolutely. Clubs have to try to turn a few of these things into strategies for themselves, how best to take advantage if they can," Cook said.

"Whether that's by trading picks or whatever, it's very much about coming up with ways to beat the system."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25509492-19742,00.html

[one-eyed]

Gold Coast granted dream ride at next two AFL drafts
Jon Ralph | May 27, 2009

THE new Gold Coast side will receive the equivalent of five first-round draft picks this year, even before next season's massive allocation of concessions and uncontracted players.

The Gold Coast has been awarded its pick of a dozen 17-year-old juniors with birthdates between January 1, 1992, and April 30, 1992, before this year's national draft.

And with the AIS-AFL Academy squad of teenagers wowing coaching staff on its recent trip to South Africa, the new club seems set to pick up a pot of gold.

Half of the members of the 30-man Academy squad are eligible this year to be taken by Gold Coast recruiter Scott Clayton, with rival clubs unable to select any player born after December 31, 1991.

On average there are five 17-year-olds taken in the first round of each national draft, with more than 20 overall in last year's national draft.

Last year's first-round picks Jack Watts (pick No. 1), Jack Ziebell (No. 9), Steele Sidebottom (No. 11), Lewis Johnson (No. 12) and Sam Blease (No. 17) were 17-year-olds, with 28 per cent of last year's draft in that age bracket.

The Gold Coast also receives picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 in the national draft of 2010, as well as the first selection of subsequent rounds.

The first draft selection awarded to next year's premier will be equivalent to a normal third-round pick.

The stars of the AIS-AFL Academy include Tasmanian midfielder Maverick Weller and Calder Cannons half-back flanker Joshua Toy.

Toy played full-back against Bulldog forward Scott Welsh when the AIS-AFL squad played Williamstown this year, and more than held his own.

Queensland junior prodigy and Academy member Rex Liddy, the nephew of NRL star Matt Bowen, will be zoned to the Gold Coast and contracted GC17 talls Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon shape as future stars.

Alex Keath, a centre half-forward from Brighton Grammar, and Cam O'Shea, a tall utility from the Eastern Ranges, are also considered as 17-year-old recruiting targets this year.

Gold Coast coach Guy McKenna and Clayton accompanied the AIS-AFL squad on its recent trip to South Africa to scrutinise its potential.

Not only will the 17-year-olds increase the Gold Coast's draft booty, their lack of availability to the existing 16 clubs will suck the 2009 national draft of depth and quality.

Clubs often take 17-year-olds as speculative picks late in the draft, aware they may flourish the following season.

The Hawks took 17-year-olds with three of their five picks this year, aware the draft age was to rise to 18.

One AFL recruiter said the Gold Coast was sitting on a future goldmine.

"It's a very nice haul, and it's going to irk more people than it was previously thought," he said.

"With the current rules, at least we had the opportunity to select 17-year-olds in the draft. But we don't even get that, so the advantage (to the Gold Coast) is even greater."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25543916-19742,00.html