Have we missed Ottens?

[JohnF]

Just wondering if anyone knows, from a statistical point of view, whether we have fared worse in the clearances since Brad Ottens got injured.

We are no doubt getting pumped in the ruck with Marsh and Hall filling in, but it will be interesting to see whether we have done worse in terms of clearances from when we had Ottens getting his 30 tap outs a week.

[froars]

From my memory of Ottens this year, he got a lot of hit outs, but generally the opposition cleared the ball
Do we miss him?  I don't.
But having said that, isn't Marsh the biggest load of useless space?  It's really painful watching these guys play their last couple of games.  Can't we call an end it this round and not play next week?
Just a thought.

[mightytiges]

About midway through the year (July 5th) when I last looked we were top 2 in ball-up and throw-in clearances and 7th overall in the league in overall clearances. Looks like there has been a dramatic fall-off since both Otto and Stafford have been missing.

Hitouts:

total - Last in league
Centre Bounces - Last
Ball-ups - 15th
Throw-ins - Last

Clearances:

Total  - 15th
Centre Bounces  - 12th
Ball-ups - 8th
Throw-ins - 11th

July 5th:

Overall Hitouts: 3rd
Centre Bounce Hit Outs: 7th
Throw In Hit Outs: 1st
Ball Up Hit Outs: 2nd

Overall Clearances: 7th
Centre Bounce Clearances: 15th
Ball Up Clearances: 2nd
Throw In Clearances: 1st


http://www.prowess.com.au/pro-stats/

On thing I noticed today from the commentary was that Marsh kept tapping to the opposition which is something Otto gets criticized for. I find it a big coincidence that all our ruckman are that dumb. To me it sounds like the blame lies at our midfield set-up and our brainiac coaches  .

[JohnF]

lol, froars, was thinking the same thing a second ago. Even though there's only one week to go, watching our duds do their thing is too embarassing to go through.

[JohnF]

Interesting stats MT. I find it hard to fathom how we could have been 7th in the league for clearances midway through the year when we were on the end of some of the most awful shallackings during that period. But there you go, the stats don't lie.

[froars]

Were those clearances from Ottens ruck taps or the opposition's lol

[mightytiges]

But having said that, isn't Marsh the biggest load of useless space? 

Our new Wayne Thornborrow. Summed up when we were only 7 pts down in the third quarter and we had all the momentum. Dropped the simplest of marks that you wouldn't even see in the little league. Hawks take it up the other end for a goal and regain control  .

[JohnF]

I'd rather have another rover play for us than Marsh be there. Even if that means making David Rodan contest the ruck.

LMFAO@that dropped chest mark. He did kick a nice goal at least. Not that he isn't a massive dud, just saying...

[mightytiges]

Interesting stats MT. I find it hard to fathom how we could have been 7th in the league for clearances midway through the year when we were on the end of some of the most awful shallackings during that period. But there you go, the stats don't lie.

That "7th" figure is misleading. It was an average of our hopelessness in generating centre-bounce clearances and good around the ground clearances at that time. The former is more improtant. Add to that when we did clear the ball we would just give it back to the opposition most of the time. No turnover stats are provided. We'd be numero uno by a mile. So that fits in with the shallackings we copped. Now we're just plain crap everywhere  . 

lol froars. You're probably right   

[WilliamPowell]

On thing I noticed today from the commentary was that Marsh kept tapping to the opposition which is something Otto gets criticized for. I find it a big coincidence that all our ruckman are that dumb. To me it sounds like the blame lies at our midfield set-up and our brainiac coaches  .

I don't think it is all our ruckmen either. Our centre square set-up is dumb. We usually start all our mid-fielders equal with or behind the ruckman to "swoop" on the hit out running forward - great in theory if you get a clear go at the ball but opposition teams are on to us and the match up accordingly. We rarely change it and when we do we move only one player over to cover 2 or sometimes 3 opponents. It is dumb.

Have we missed Ottens? We certainly did yesterday because we had no-one physically strong enough or quick enough to play on Everiit. Though, I will say being there at watching it - Marsh did alot better than Hall

[Jackstar]

You will find the we are the only club in the league not to have a ruck coach.!

[WilliamPowell]

You will find the we are the only club in the league not to have a ruck coach.!

Budget restraints 

What are our chances of getting Scott Wynd back to the Club

[om21]

From my memory of Ottens this year, he got a lot of hit outs, but generally the opposition cleared the ball

THANK YOU.....

We miss Staff...not Ottens. Who wants a ruckman who taps it to the opposition every time?

  To Frawley for keeping Hall on Everitt for 2.5 quarters while Marsh was at least competitve.
  To Marsh for virtually shooting himself in the foot with that chest mark....