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Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« on: May 17, 2008, 07:06:03 PM »
Tigers sunk by Cats
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By Mic Cullen
4:44 PM Sat 17 May, 2008

Richmond     3.2   5.4     6.7      10.9 (69)
Geelong        2.1   4.4   11.12    14.15 (99)

GOALS
Richmond: Deledio 2, Bowden 2, Cotchin 2, Richardson, Edwards, Tambling, McMahon
Geelong: Chapman 4, Gamble 2, Ling 2, Wojcinski, Ablett, Mooney, Milburn, Hawkins, Selwood

BEST
Richmond: Richardson, Johnson, Cotchin, King
Geelong: G.Ablett, Chapman, Ling, Bartel, Mackie, Wojcinski, Scarlett

INJURIES: Nil

CHANGES: Richmond - Pattison replaced in selected side by Cotchin

REPORTS: Nil

Umpires: McLaren, Head, Mollison

Crowd: 37,275 at the MCG


IT WASN'T as bad as the corresponding round last year, but the result was the same – Richmond appear to have run a struggling Geelong back into form.

In the protective arena of the Telstra Dome, last year's margin was a massive 157 points, and while this year's 30 points at a wet and cold MCG was nothing like as bad, the middle of the game was similar with the Cats doing as they wished.

Geelong belted the Tigers in the third term to the tune of seven goals to one, ending the match as a contest. The teams split the final term with the Cats eventually winning 14.15 (99) to 10.9 (69).

For the Tigers, their first pick in last year's draft, Trent Cotchin, got his first run in the big time when ruckman Adam Pattison was switched out due to the weather. Cotchin did well in the wet, getting four touches in the first term, including a goal with his first touch, a dribbling snap from 20 metres that skidded through, before finishing with two and showing good endeavour throughout the match.

Matthew Richardson was all over the ground in the first half with 13 touches (20 overall), defender Kelvin Moore worked hard against several opponents, but Jake King's good work was undone by some errors under pressure in the second half.

Super-stopper Cameron Ling fought an enthralling battle with Nathan Foley until Ling and skipper Tom Harley collided in front of the benches late in the second term. Both Cats returned after the long break, and Ling appeared to be shocked into action with a super third term.

Cats champion Gary Ablett returned from a calf injury to show his class on Chris Hyde, leading the Cats possession count at every break and using the ball beautifully, while Matthew Scarlett was his usual dangerous self running out of the backline.

Richmond was clearly the better team in the first term, putting two goals on the board before the Cats had their first, which came when Andrew Mackie cleverly snapped it back to the hotspot from beside the point post for Paul Chapman to mark.

New Richmond forward Joel Bowden then knocked a loose ball on for Brett Deledio to kick his second before David Wojcinski boomed the soggy ball home from well outside 50 to make the margin a slim seven points at the first break.

The Tigers then goaled twice in the first 10 minutes of the second term, both from 50-metre penalties, but with the margin out to 20 points, Geelong fought back strongly in the last 15 minutes of the term, with Ryan Gamble kicking a brace to have the margin at one straight kick at the half-time break.

The Cats cranked it up after the break, kicking seven goals to one, several from defensive errors from the Tigers. Chapman and Ling both slotted a couple, while Bowden slotted the only major for Richmond.

The last term saw the teams trade goals, with the Tigers winning the term four majors to three.

Net week, the Tigers take on Essendon at the MCG, while Geelong face Collingwood, at the same venue.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=59745

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Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2008, 07:56:58 PM »
Team Stats

Disposals:      338 - 352
Efficiency%:     75 - 74
Kicks:            216 - 215
Handballs:     122 - 137
Con. Marks:     11 - 10
Uncon.Marks:   97 - 80
Tackles:           59 - 67
Clearances:      29 - 32
Clangers:         58 - 58
Frees:              24 - 31
Con. Possies:  114 - 116
Uncon.Possies: 221 - 228
Inside 50s:       39 - 64
Assists:            10 - 15

Individual Stats

player        D EFF% K H G B CM UM T CL C   

McMahon   27  78 21   6 1 0 0   8 3 1 6   
King          26  85 15 11 0 0 1   4 1 1 3   
Johnson     25  64 11 14 0 0 0   8 5 2 2   
Deledio      21  86 12   9 2 1 0   6 1 1 3   
Richardson 20  85 16   4 1 1 3 10 2 1 3   
Moore        19  74 14   5 0 1 1   8 1 0 1   
Newman    19  79 16   3 0 0 1   6 2 1 0   
Polak         19  79 10   9 0 1 3   7 3 2 2   
Foley         17  47 12   5 0 1 0   1 5 4 3   
Brown       16  56 15   1 0 0 0   5 5 3 4   
Cotchin     16  75   8   8 2 1 0   6 1 0 4   
Tuck         16  69   8   8 0 0 0   1 4 3 5   
Bowden    14  71 10   4 2 0 0   5 2 0 3   
Tambling  12  67   7   5 1 1 0   2 4 2 0   
White       12  75   7   5 0 0 0   5 6 2 3   
Morton     10 100   8   2 0 0 0   5 1 0 0   
McGuane    9  56   5   4 0 0 1   2 5 0 1   
Simmonds  9  78   4   5 0 0 0   2 1 1 4   
Thursfield   9 100  4   5 0 0 0   2 2 0 5   
Edwards     8 100  4   4 1 0 0   2 1 2 1   
Hyde          8  75   3   5 0 0 0   0 1 2 3   
Riewoldt     6  67   6   0 0 0 1   2 3 1 2 

player     FF FA CP UP I50 A   
 
McMahon   0 1   3 23 2 0       
King          2 1 10 12 1 0       
Johnson     3 0   7 18 3 2       
Deledio      0 0   4 16 5 1       
Richardson 0 3   6 15 6 0       
Moore        1 0   4 15 3 1       
Newman    1 0   6 13 1 0       
Polak         2 2   9   8 3 0       
Foley         3 1   8   8 1 0       
Brown       0 3   5 12 3 0       
Cotchin     0 3   7 10 0 1       
Tuck         1 2   8   8 1 1       
Bowden    1 1   2 12 2 3       
Tambling  3 0   6   6 1 0       
White       1 2   5   9 2 0       
Morton      0 0   0 10 2 0       
McGuane   2 0   4   6 1 0       
Simmonds 1 3   5   5 0 1       
Thursfield  1 4   3   6 0 0       
Edwards    1 1   5   3 2 0       
Hyde         1 3   6   2 0 0   
Riewoldt    0 1   1   4 0 0

http://superstats.heraldsun.com.au/gamestatslive/5015496.html

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Re: Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 08:04:46 PM »
Team Stats

Efficiency%:     75 - 74
I'm sorry but...

Gary Lyon was getting this wrong on the radio today as well.

The EFF stat stands for Effectiveness not Efficiency..

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Re: Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2008, 10:25:51 PM »

The EFF stat stands for Effectiveness not Efficiency..

 
You should be sorry because it stands for Efficiency.  ;)

Go to the Game Stats Live and hold your cursor over EFF%.  :)
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Richmond falls away as Cats show who's boss (The Age)
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 03:27:33 AM »
Richmond falls away as Cats show who's boss
Rohan Connolly | May 18, 2008

RICHMOND had done pretty much everything right come half-time of yesterday's clash with Geelong. Hard at it, daring, confident, the Tigers had well and truly earned their six-point lead.

Still, there remained the suspicion the Cats could at any time stir from their relatively subdued state. And it took only 10 or so minutes of the second half for those lingering doubts not only to be confirmed, but underlined in bold and highlighted with a large, flashing neon sign.

It wasn't just the three goals Geelong kicked in that little vignette, but the way it went about restoring the natural order of things that reminded everyone present, particularly their determined enough but ultimately ill-equipped opponent, that it was going to take something above and beyond the ordinary to knock this champ from its perch.

It was two of the Cats' most subdued stars who started what would become a seven-goals-to-one term.

Key Cats midfielder Joel Corey had been well and truly thwarted by Tiger Shane Tuck. As the third term started, he became a running half-back, opposed to first-gamer Trent Cotchin. The kid had been highly impressive, but he found Corey a handful, the experienced Cat picking up half-a-dozen touches in the first eight minutes after the entire first half had yielded only four.

Cameron Ling, too, had found the going difficult opposed to Tiger gun Nathan Foley, who had just on a dozen touches to half-time to Ling's seven. But the transformation of his afternoon was just as swift.

Geelong won the first clearance of the third quarter. The ball was wrestled to the boundary line, deep in the Cats' forward pocket, where Ling promptly took possession, and snapped a beautiful goal only 32 seconds into the new half. It was the start of, in the context of the soggy conditions and difficulty in scoring, a very big roll.

First came Paul Chapman's goal, Geelong now with the lead for the first time. Then, a couple of minutes later, a lovely snap from Gary Ablett. Returned Tiger Joel Bowden bombed one from a fair distance, only for the Cats to respond with another four unanswered goals, Cameron Mooney marking strongly, Ling booting another, Darren Milburn and finally Chapman, right on the stroke of three-quarter-time, turning what had been a neck-and-neck contest into a bit of a rout.

By then, it was 19 inside-50s to seven for the quarter. Foley and Richmond skipper Kane Johnson, prolific early, had been held to only half-a-dozen possessions between them. In contrast, Ling had 10 for the term and two goals, Corey eight, Chapman 10 touches and two goals also. And so on.

As the stranglehold tightened, Richmond's admirable steeliness and discipline became unstuck. Chapman's first goal of the quarter came from a silly 50-metre penalty conceded by Jake King. Milburn's followed a shocking clanger from Johnson, who miskicked a ball in dangerous territory out-of-bounds on-the-full. And so on.

It wasn't a complete unravelling. In fact, the Tigers would outscore Geelong in the final term, the eventual 30-point margin not nearly as embarrassing as what others have copped at the Cats' hands.

But it was a convincing loss and, given the way the Tigers began yesterday, particularly galling. Richmond has inwardly seethed about its gallant loser status of the past few weeks, and early on, it showed, the Tigers with two goals on the board within the first five minutes.

First, late inclusion Cotchin joined that "select" band of several hundred debutants to goal with their first kick in AFL football, front and centre at the foot of a pack near goal, collecting the crumbs and bouncing it through. Less than two minutes later, Brett Deledio and Nathan Brown raced to soccer the ball off the ground in the goal square. Another goal, momentum high, and the Tiger crowd was roaring.

Chapman kicked Geelong's first from a strong mark 25 metres out, then Deledio scored Richmond's third with the sort of incident that makes wet-weather football a lucky dip. The Tiger forward snapped from near the boundary. Even a full-back as accomplished as Matthew Scarlett was made to look a bit of a duffer, failing to move forward to smother the bounce a few metres in front of him, watching in horror as the ball took off after hitting the deck, right over his head and through the goals.

Goals early in the second term to Matthew Richardson and Shane Edwards made it 20 points the difference, and when James Kelly managed to hit the post from 20-odd metres, you could have concluded it was going to be one of those days for the Cats. Another tough, efficient and emphatic victory by this class act later, we'd realised again that we should have known better.

BEST 

Richmond: Richardson, Tuck, Deledio, Cotchin.

THE UPSHOT
Geelong's stunning third quarter, in the wet, again proved the premier has the ability to step up several gears when it chooses. Richmond threw everything at the Cats and held a six-point lead at the main break, but seven goals to one in the third term was a show of pure Cats class, despite the soggy conditions.

TALKING POINT
The debut efforts of last year's No. 2 draft pick, Trent Cotchin — 16 disposals and two goals — will have pleased more than just the 18-year-old, the coach and the club. Richmond supporters truly had something to smile about yesterday, despite the 30-point loss.

HOT AND COLD
On a dark, damp and windswept day at the MCG, Gary Ablett (above) returned from a week on the sidelines with another dominant performance in the Cats' midfield. He had 27 damaging touches for the afternoon and regularly shook off opponents and burst through stoppages to send his team deep into attack.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfmatchreport/tigers-fall-away-as-cats-show-whos-boss/2008/05/17/1210765262977.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

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Classy Cats slide past brave Tigers (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2008, 03:31:46 AM »
Classy Cats slide past brave Tigers
Ken Piesse | May 18, 2008 12:00am

UNDEFEATED Geelong is not on the verge of greatness - it is great. Eight wins this year, 12 on end and 27 out of 28 - it is a fabulous record.

Opposed by an improved Richmond team, determined to bury the ignominy of last year's back-to-back humiliations, the Cats took more than an hour to hit the front but, once ahead, motored away with the poise and purpose of a team destined for another Grand Final.

The rain and the cold conditions did not deter the Cats as they overpowered Richmond.

Geelong's third quarter, in particular, was reminiscent of their irresistible early-season bursts against Fremantle and the Swans.

Gary Ablett's return was pivotal.

Richmond had early answers for Joel Corey and Cameron Ling, but was powerless to stop the little champ, who finished with almost 30 possessions.

The Tigers were brave and in the first half had the best player afield - the indefatigable Matthew Richardson - before conceding 11 of 13 goals in mid-match.

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In front of almost 38,000 fans, an excellent crowd given the miserable conditions, the Cats shared the ball expertly with the unselfish work of Cameron Mooney a huge positive, after the All-Australian had struggled in recent weeks.

Needing to lift, the Cats had 15 scoring shots to four in a rampaging third quarter with Paul Chapman and Ling the catalysts. Corey also enjoyed more freedom running off half-back.

Ling had limped around the boundary at the half-time siren, a victim of friendly fire from captain Tom Harley, only to emerge rejuvenated after the break, kicking the first goal inside the first minute to lead the charge.

Richmond coach Terry Wallace conceded Geelong was still the team to beat, but said it had been a valuable learning experience for his young team.

Despite the unrelenting drizzle and slippery conditions, the athletic Richardson maintained his push for a Brownlow Medal, running from end to end.

He soon found himself being shadowed by Jimmy Bartel after he had overpowered Andrew Mackie and Darren Milburn.

He saved goals on the last line, created run around the wings and kicked an important early goal as the Tigers played with energy and purpose.

Chris Newman led a young defence ably, his field kicking a particular delight, one torpedo carrying almost to the centre square.

Far from being intimidated by the all-stars, it was Richmond which made the running, tackling and harassing, and creating contests all over the ground.

The Tigers stamped their intent from the opening minutes when 11th hour inclusion, the impressive 18-year-old Trent Cotchin, and Brett Deledio opened with the first two goals.

Goals were like gold in the first half, but the Cats gifted Richmond both their majors in the second quarter with 50m penalties.

Ablett and David Wojcinski were among the few winning Cats, but Corey and Ling were subdued.

But having trailed by seven points at quarter-time and a goal at half-time, Geelong drew level within the first 35 seconds of the third term and were never threatened again.

Despite being 20 points ahead after the first 45 minutes and winning the important contests in mid-field, the Tigers could not maintain momentum.

When the bigger-bodied Geelong players steadied, hopes of a boilover evaporated.

The Cats may have been without Brad Ottens, but Harry Taylor did some nice things down back, while Mark Blake continued to run and jump against Richmond's Big V ruckman Troy Simmonds.

Chapman and Ling each had 10 possessions in Geelong's matchwinning third quarter, Chapman kicking two of his four goals in his best performance of the season.

But Ablett was the powerhouse with his silky skills on show - one snapped goal in the third term -- a touch of genius.

From having only four or five touches in the first half, Corey finished with 22 in another consistent effort.

Geelong youngster Ryan Gamble was another to show out early.

The inside 50 stats so often tell the story and Geelong won 64-39, making most wonder how the Tigers managed to get so close.

First-gamer Cotchin was one of the few Tigers still able to involve himself in the one-sided last half.

He kicked several goals, including the first of the game, with his first kick in league football.

Afterwards Bartel, held to 22 touches, said opposing sides were going for broke early against the titleholders and the Cats were initially powerless to stop them.

"We're confident if we stick to our game plan that we can catch up quickly," he said.

"But we're also well aware that if we give starts like that they're going to close the door on us."

Geelong coach Mark Thompson shuffled those involved in last weekend's Big V game on and off the bench, realising that there are some big clashes ahead, including the Cats' blockbuster against Collingwood, again at the MCG, on Friday night.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715576-19742,00.html

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Re: Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2008, 03:44:54 AM »
Dont touch Ablett.
It's against the rules.

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Re: Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 12:12:17 PM »

The EFF stat stands for Effectiveness not Efficiency..

 
You should be sorry because it stands for Efficiency.  ;)

Go to the Game Stats Live and hold your cursor over EFF%.  :)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/gameday/0,,5015496,00.html

No you are wrong (and I am sorry correcting grammer got me kicked off one forum) but EFF stands for Effective.

Check the AFL site, check the herald-sun (the hard copy paper), check the dictionary.

Effective  - producing a decided, decisive, or desired effect

Efficient   -  producing an effect, product, etc. with a minimum of effort, expense, or waste

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Re: Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2008, 12:45:46 PM »

No you are wrong (and I am sorry correcting grammer got me kicked off one forum) but EFF stands for Effective.

Probably kicked off for your spelling.  :P

I haven't got a hard copy of the Herald-Sun. It's definitely called Efficiency on the H-S website (where the stats come from, not the AFL site).
Take up your argument with them. They provide the info so they can call it what they like and that's what it is.
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Re: Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2008, 12:49:57 PM »
Who cares, for EFF sake lol

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Re: Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2008, 12:51:55 PM »
Who cares, for EFF sake lol


You are quite right, what does it matter.

Let's all use wrong words in sentences.

Why not?

Might be hard to understand but as you said who cares.

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Re: Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2008, 12:58:24 PM »
Who cares, for EFF sake lol


You are quite right, what does it matter.

Let's all use wrong words in sentences.

Why not?

Might be hard to understand but as you said who cares.

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You got a big chip on your shoulder or what?
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Re: Media Articles and Stats: Tigers sunk by Cats
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2008, 01:17:12 PM »
Who cares, for EFF sake lol


You are quite right, what does it matter.

Let's all use wrong words in sentences.

Why not?

Might be hard to understand but as you said who cares.

 :rollin

You got a big chip on your shoulder or what?

Don't think so, hang on a minute and I'll go have a look.

No chip there that I could see.

Just bored on a lazy wet sunday afternoon.

Too early for a :cheers or a  :sleep

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Re: Stats: Tigers vs Cats
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2008, 10:59:58 PM »

The EFF stat stands for Effectiveness not Efficiency..

 
You should be sorry because it stands for Efficiency.  ;)

Go to the Game Stats Live and hold your cursor over EFF%.  :)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/gameday/0,,5015496,00.html

No you are wrong (and I am sorry correcting grammer got me kicked off one forum) but EFF stands for Effective.

Check the AFL site, check the herald-sun (the hard copy paper), check the dictionary.

Effective  - producing a decided, decisive, or desired effect

Efficient   -  producing an effect, product, etc. with a minimum of effort, expense, or waste

 :cheers

This is the HTML source code from the Herald-Sun. It is "Efficiency".

 <th scope="col"><abbr title="Efficiency %">EFF%</abbr></th>

And they actually are using the 'efficient' meaning in their stats. Efficiency percentage - how efficient is a player's disposal. What percentage of their disposal do they not waste. 

Become a maths lover '65. It's rigorous, consistent and logical unlike the English language lol  ;).
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